AMS2 AMS 2 Racing Club (Older Events)

[MAC #21]

Nope.


Check out this thread. You just need to set your shared memory settings.

That worked thanks Goffik!

 

[Ernie]

Yesterdays clubrace was a pretty weird experience for me. No problems in practice session and qualifying. Car handling was fine. I have to admit, that my car setup was a little bit on the edge, but i made it to qualify in P2.

Then the first Race started and after a few corners i felt that my car drives completely different. The rear was loose as hell. The car handling went from manageable to quite undriveable.
It was like the track switched from rubbered-in to completely green. And me and my edgy car setup wasn't prepared for that.

So what was the result? Spin after spin after spin ..... Just call me King of the Waltz.

For the 2nd race i decided to skip the qualifying to avoid upcoming trouble, if the track is "soapy" again.
But this time it was more grip and the car was back to driveable. Nevertheless i made a few mistakes too many and failed again in the race.

It was a pretty disappointing evening for me, and i'm still a little bit confused what has happened with the track conditions between qualifying and 1st race.

 

[alpebo]

Despite my mistakes, it was one of the best races in AMS 2.

Thanks again, Goffik. And thanks to all drivers too.

 

[UMC 22]

Then the first Race started and after a few corners i felt that my car drives completely different. The rear was loose as hell. The car handling went from manageable to quite undriveable.
It was like the track switched from rubbered-in to completely green. And me and my edgy car setup wasn't prepared for that.

This seems to be a recurring theme in AMS 2. At first I thought it was just me, but then I noticed others reporting the same feeling which leads me to believe it's a genuine issue.

In practice I came out of the pits, straight up to speed, braked hard to T1, no issues. Same in qualy, where the track felt even more grippy overall. Then in the race, despite being at slower speed and not braking nearly as hard, the rear goes the moment I touch the brakes. For the rest of the race I'm tip-toeing around, trying different brake balance settings, and yet can't keep the rear settled no matter what. In the super-pole it felt fine again, yet in T1 of the race it was insta-spin. I bailed because at least one person had already careered into me while I rolled backwards, and I didn't want to ruin anyone else's race. Best to just disappear.

This "green track in the race" issue is getting on my nerves to be honest. It doesn't seem to happen in every race, but it does in many, and seems to affect some classes more than others. When you've spent a couple of hours getting the car feeling good in practice only to have to nurse it through 40 minutes of racing, it sucks the enjoyment out of it for me.

 

[Derek44]

We don't discuss lap times in club events.

so ok

 

[Mark E Taylor]

This seems to be a recurring theme in AMS 2. At first I thought it was just me, but then I noticed others reporting the same feeling which leads me to believe it's a genuine issue.

In practice I came out of the pits, straight up to speed, braked hard to T1, no issues. Same in qualy, where the track felt even more grippy overall. Then in the race, despite being at slower speed and not braking nearly as hard, the rear goes the moment I touch the brakes. For the rest of the race I'm tip-toeing around, trying different brake balance settings, and yet can't keep the rear settled no matter what. In the super-pole it felt fine again, yet in T1 of the race it was insta-spin. I bailed because at least one person had already careered into me while I rolled backwards, and I didn't want to ruin anyone else's race. Best to just disappear.

This "green track in the race" issue is getting on my nerves to be honest. It doesn't seem to happen in every race, but it does in many, and seems to affect some classes more than others. When you've spent a couple of hours getting the car feeling good in practice only to have to nurse it through 40 minutes of racing, it sucks the enjoyment out of it for me.

Yeah I agree. I was lucky in race one as Andrew and oneill made contact on last chicane so I got through to p1 and never sweat so much in my life trying to stay there. Less than 1 second over the finish line from p1 to P4.

 

[Ernie]

Found a thread in Reiza forum. Seems like we're not alone with this issue. I felt the problem in some other races before, but not that extreme like yesterday.
I hope there will be a response by the devs eventually.

 

[UMC 22]

Found a thread in Reiza forum.

Yep, posted there too. Hopefully it'll make others realise it isn't just them and that there is an issue here.

 

[Dan ONeill]

Is it bad that I didn’t really notice the issue last night? I know that myself and Andrew were flat out all race 2 and lap times were only around .5 to 1 second off Q pace.
I thought that race 1 wasn’t a grippy as race two but maybe that was because I was following For the whole race. Maybe aero wash?

 

[Ernie]

Is it bad that I didn’t really notice the issue last night? I know that myself and Andrew were flat out all race 2 and lap times were only around .5 to 1 second off Q pace.

I remember some races, where other drivers had the same low-grip-issue, but i didn't noticed anyhing special. Even with a low downforce setup.
It would be quite more weird, if this issue would not affect all drivers, but just a few.

 

[Dan ONeill]

Yes I agree that I don’t think it’s only some drivers.
I guess that maybe I was too busy mentally to notice the issue?
The track temp was about 108F in practice but I didn’t notice what it was in the races. Did you set your tyre selection manually to hard slicks?

 

[UMC 22]

Is it bad that I didn’t really notice the issue last night?

Not necessarily. It could be something that affects some but not others, though I would find that hard to believe given the nature of the issue. But it could also be the case that some drivers are just better at adapting to it than others. I mean, you are one of the fastest in this club by some margin, and if you're fighting throughout it might not have registered that you were driving slightly differently.

Edit: 'd by Dan.

Did you set your tyre selection manually to hard slicks?

Always. I don't trust automated systems, which is borne out by the fact tyre selection on some classes has been borked since the latest patch.

 

[Dan ONeill]

Not necessarily. It could be something that affects some but not others, though I would find that hard to believe given the nature of the issue. But it could also be the case that some drivers are just better at adapting to it than others. I mean, you are one of the fastest in this club by some margin, and if you're fighting throughout it might not have registered that you were driving slightly differently.

Edit: 'd by Dan.


Always. I don't trust automated systems, which is borne out by the fact tyre selection on some classes has been borked since the latest patch.

I actually got the tyre selection thingy from watching one of your streams, I don’t trust automation either!
I was running a modified setup that may have helped I guess, for what it’s worth I changed the following:
Reduced caster on fronts (No need for that amount!)
Stiffened roll bars to 150/50
Slightly reduced rear left pressure, increases right side to match hot pressures.
Lowered ride height by 2mm at front and 4 at rear
Lowered wing to 5
Softened the diff slightly (power and coast)
Added 0.3 degrees of rear toe in
Brake bias to 65

this helped me get a relatively stable flat car.
the default was roll/ oversteer city...

 

[UMC 22]

I'm going to fire it up now and try your setup, just because I don't need much excuse to set up my gear...

 

[Dan ONeill]

I’m free tonight if anyone wants to practice and try and note any differences in sessions?

 

[UMC 22]

I’m free tonight if anyone wants to practice and try and note any differences in sessions?

I just tried your setup in an offline event vs the AI, same race settings as last night.

In practice I found your setup to be much too understeery for my taste... a difference in our driving styles I guess. I could get roughly the same lap times as before, but really had to work to get the car rotated. Then I advanced to the race session and... boom, oversteery mess. It was more "stable" in the race than my own setup was yesterday, but I was still oversteering unexpectedly even with warm tyres and nobody ruining my air flow.

So yeah, there is a definite degradation of track conditions between practice and race sessions. I think you're also right that it seems more obvious on certain cars which are already a little off balance by nature.

 

[Dan ONeill]

Hmm ok fair enough. Maybe relax the rear toe and raise the rear a tad but it seems like it’s an issue and my understeering setup masked it somewhat.

 

[Ernie]

Did you set your tyre selection manually to hard slicks?

Automatic tire selection was active on my setup.
I had checked my tire temperatures during the race, but there was no overheating. So i think i had slicks mounted.

 

[UMC 22]

I've also checked the temps between sessions. Practice was 2-3 degrees cooler ambient than race, 1-2 degrees cooler track. Not enough to account for any noticeable difference in traction.

 

[UMC 22]

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Tuesday 13/10/20
Practice: 19:00 UTC (30 minutes)
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