Rig Report - Peter Winkler

[RCHeliguy]

That hard stop roller bearing solution is very interesting.
My only question about softening the springs is whether you have turned off your motion system or are just using it for road grade, without texture or bumps etc..

 

[Peter Winkler]

good question

motion is still part of my agenda and it will be in future
with the recent dual LFE and super soft spring setup i got unexpected tactile experiences.
so motion is set to min and the travel correlates to real car suspension travel, but limited to motion capabilities.

let me re-explain it with this chart
motion on very high settings can deliver 0,8-0,9g
dual LFE - still with my hard spring setup - around 2g

Curbs are a good example - during my last IRL race - Porsche GT3 at RedBullRing - i measured 5-6g when rumbling a curb - especially this effect is impossible to be done by motion - for sure some motion system try to show case, but i did not experience on doing it "right" - not the needed frequency nor the gforce. Tactile can do it - so i use motion to rebuild suspension move when going on the curb - and the high gforce curb rumble is done by tactile.

 

[RCHeliguy]

I have a funny feeling that I'll be echo'ing that common refrain again. "It's all Peter's fault"

Very cool stuff!

 

[Peter Winkler]

not sure what you are talking about

 

[CasLad1972]

no didn't see that thought I had seen every page but there is so much info to divulge. Is that a 3d printed part on the rock woods as well??

Thanks for the link for the 3M stuff

 

[Peter Winkler]

yes - rockwood has a 3d print item

 

[Peter Winkler]

such a great weekend - friday

amazing trackday with aprox 100min cockpit time - i love the Dacia - it deliveries a great track experience. Just can recommend everyone to find a raceteam offering this super cheap entry into race track training. The best - i had the chance to race against my son, who was driving one of the other Dacia

Dacia is not powerful at all - but as it is fully FIA certified and running on slick tires you have fun and racing at the same time

 

[Peter Winkler]

such a great weekend - saturday

on the following day i had a great surprise - i got the invite - due to certain circumstances - to run the coaching car (lead car) for some race car new comers - fans of my blog know my post some time ago. I never thought that in such short timeframe it would be possible to share my track knowledge to others.

Rig Report - Peter Winkler

got the request to update my tactile sketch I have been following this thread along with the tactile thread from @Mr Latte. What benefit does the t.racks dsp provide for the exciters? I have finally received my seat and going to order the exciters soon(hopefully in stock soon as well). They...

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going out with my son for some test laps

some pro pictures from the lead car follow car stints. I really appreciated this new way of running a racecar. for me just amazing as its follows my motto about sharing knowledge to others.

Peter

 

[Deleted member 1449502]

good question

motion is still part of my agenda and it will be in future
with the recent dual LFE and super soft spring setup i got unexpected tactile experiences.
so motion is set to min and the travel correlates to real car suspension travel, but limited to motion capabilities.

let me re-explain it with this chart
motion on very high settings can deliver 0,8-0,9g
dual LFE - still with my hard spring setup - around 2g

View attachment 677396

Curbs are a good example - during my last IRL race - Porsche GT3 at RedBullRing - i measured 5-6g when rumbling a curb - especially this effect is impossible to be done by motion - for sure some motion system try to show case, but i did not experience on doing it "right" - not the needed frequency nor the gforce. Tactile can do it - so i use motion to rebuild suspension move when going on the curb - and the high gforce curb rumble is done by tactile.

did you take a g measurement with the softer springs and rollers?

 

[stigs2cousin]

did you take a g measurement with the softer springs and rollers?

I'd guess he had other things on his mind (and under his butt) last week

 

[RCHeliguy]

I'd guess he had other things on his mind (and under his butt) last week

Seriously! What is all this real world racing stuff

It's like they think real life racing is more exciting than a simulation!

 

[stigs2cousin]

Well, I've never done irl racing, but track driving and auto cross.

It certainly has it's charmes and challenges

 

[Peter Winkler]

Seriously! What is all this real world racing stuff

It's like they think real life racing is more exciting than a simulation!

its just another hobby - but maybe more costly
i am still not sure what i prefer - going downstairs and starting my rig is so great -
so simple - has so many different faces (cars, tracks, weather, ....)

 

[Peter Winkler]

did you take a g measurement with the softer springs and rollers?

unfort not - at the moment loaded with other stuff
i think it will be delayed towards august

 

[Peter Winkler]

some Dacia onbaord action

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=255943927326321

 

[Peter Winkler]

Dream Rig ?

had the unique chance to help a good friend of mine - race driver - to build his dream rig - for sure this tool is used for track preparation AC and some fun AMS2. In this case it was clear from the first minute that there is no budget limit - which was a very interesting exercise/journey for a DIY guy like myself. So far i did not see that qubic build, hence i like to share some detials with this community.

the specs are amazing
Qubic QS-CH2 - SURGE / YAW Plattform - https://qubicsystem.com/product/qs-ch2/
Quibic QS-220-PL - Motion from Qubic - https://qubicsystem.com/product/qs-220-pl/
SC2 Ultimate
Simtag Ashely
Simlab P1-X
OMP HTE-R XL
GV Advanced Tactile Setup (Seat and Pedals)
AOC 32 Zoll triples
Frex H Pattern
BavarianSimTec - ONE

small feedback:
- Qubic is outstanding - so far the best motion i drove (beside my SFX) - but is indeed more powerful and faster - in addition there is a nice tactile system integrated
- SC2 Ulti is definitely something i will consider if my PRO will die.
- simtag is still the best - we tested SC AP up and down but finally simtag was the choice of the race driver
- GV advanced setup - nothing to add, such a setup requires GV - and i was happy how great qubic and GV works together
- BavarianTec, amazing steering wheel

I hope you like my pictures - running this rig is just amazing - the overall weight is about 350kg - rock solid and the weight is creating the wow effect in each an every motion movement. So far i did not like surge nor yaw - but this build changed my mind.

Peter

 

[mikemav]

^^^Very nice build. I still love my D-Box, doubt I'd be swayed by another motion system personally but surge and sway sound interesting and nice low profile platform. How well (solid) do the monitors mounted to the rig handle the motion? My triples (I've had those same AOC ones as well as tighter radius curve Samsung G5) are mounted on a floor stand tucked as close to the rig/wheel as the 1.5" of travel from the D-Box allows. I was always worried about how those small M4 screws and plastic backed housing on consumer monitors would hold up to an agressive motion rig.

 

[Peter Winkler]

depends to the power you set - a max - the monitors will die - but i need to admit that i also will not survive - we are planning to upgrade like Frank did

Franks Rig Report

Dear All, Welcome to my rig report. After posting my rig in the "Show us your Rig / Cockpit" thread, I was encouraged to start a separate rig report. Although it feels a little bit overly ambitious, I'm following the same structure as Peter Winkler's Rig Report. I'm going to keep track of the...

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[johnh]

Hi Peter!
Your rig build continues to impress. It’s hard to keep up

I was wondering, where you soueced your springs from? I have been looking all over for a set of those but without finding the correct specification.

 

[Peter Winkler]

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