Automobilista 2 Update: New Content, Features and Fixes

Metla · Mar 14, 2023

wolftree said:
Pretty sure I've seen a professional racing driver claim that the braking in iRacing is more realistic than in ACC, while another professional racing driver claims that it's more realistic in ACC.

Drug test both of em....

BrunoBæ · Mar 14, 2023

Badwheels said:
Once the meetings starts, the lead developer asks, " Who here has actually driven a race car on a certified race track, in anger and has proof of such?

Anyone who has, gets to stay with the devs and are used as UAT (User Acceptance Testers)

Everyone else has to STFU. Forever.

Hopefully a few of the devs are allowed to stay.
I mean to be able to recieve the feedback.

Johnr777 · Mar 14, 2023

I have driven many laps on all current simulators with my trusty and very torquey 3.9nm thrustmaster T300, while sitting on a sporty looking red office chair... I have touched the outside of a race car and been to a handful of races as a spectator. I can definitely tell which one is superior:

Mario Kart.

rgentzler45 · Mar 14, 2023

Can Reiza please add a physical pace car/safety car to the game? Its so easy to get a penalty for speeding under caution when you are in the lead and a FCY comes out.

b)b · Mar 14, 2023

rgentzler45 said:
Can Reiza please add a physical pace car/safety car to the game? Its so easy to get a penalty for speeding under caution when you are in the lead and a FCY comes out.

I think it is planned to add a safety car to the FCY feature.

roadyroad · Mar 14, 2023

Peter Kerényi said:
I also have this feeling in AMS2 that I either understeer heavily or oversteer heavily. I haven't driven any car to the limit IRL but in all other sims it feels different and I am able to adapt to the situation and approach the limit of grip. In AMS2 I feel like I have to get the car into the oversteer state as soon in the corner as possible so I can go quicker, because if I don't, I just keep understeering. And I don't particularly like this feeling, nor do I think it's entirely realistic. It's either terrible base setups, the driving model is wrong, or everything apart of AMS2 is wrong.

I did state that I had experienced this in a GT1 car, the Nissan R390, but I have made further testing today, it is again a bad default setup. The Porsche GT1 handles much better, I needed to do some work with the Nissan to get something just drivable : adjusting the preload, shortening the gears ratios which were too high causing lots of understeer (basically, the first gear covered the 2 first gears of the Porsche). With that, a lot of the understeer was gone, and the oversteer became progressive and manageable. A few other tweaks, because the car is still a bit oversteery and the car is much more enjoyable. It is true that the RSS version for AC is much more enjoyable on default setup (most probably the Pcars 2 version too).

Some cars have the back suspensions a bit too hard making the oversteer too agressive. As an example, the Group C Corvette just has stronger suspensions on the back wheels than the front wheels. On a RWD it's an immediate oversteer killing machine.

EDIT : do not do that for the Group C cars, Wolftree gave me a crucial piece of advice just below. We shouldn't do this adjustment with this old high downforce cars, we have to make adjustments another way. Really interesting and crucial piece of information!

wolftree · Mar 14, 2023

roadyroad said:
Some cars have the back suspensions a bit too hard making the oversteer too agressive. As an example, the Group C Corvette just has stronger suspensions on the back wheels than the front wheels. On a RWD it's an immediate oversteer killing machine.

This is fairly typical on older high-downforce cars to prevent the rear from squatting or bottoming out before third springs were invented. Adjust the balance with ARBs, not spring rates.

roadyroad · Mar 14, 2023

wolftree said:
This is fairly typical on older high-downforce cars to prevent the rear from squatting or bottoming out before third springs were invented. Adjust the balance with ARBs, not spring rates.

Really interesting, I didn't know that. I generally make adjustments primarly on ARBs, but this time, seeing this high rear springs I thought it was better to adjust them. Bad idea on these cars then. Good to learn something, thanks for the tip!

Richard Wilks · Mar 14, 2023

roadyroad said:
Really interesting, I didn't know that. I generally make adjustments primarly on ARBs, but this time, seeing this high rear springs I thought it was better to adjust them. Bad idea on these cars then. Good to learn something, thanks for the tip!

Well not really, what you should do is actually raise the rear ride height and have the rear softer than the front. Then you have the best of both worlds, a compliant rear, and enough ground clearance for the rear to get lower at speed.

roadyroad · Mar 14, 2023

Richard Wilks said:
Well not really, what you should do is actually raise the rear ride height and have the rear softer than the front. Then you have the best of both worlds, a compliant rear, and enough ground clearance for the rear to get lower at speed.

Yes, another solution, as soon as I have understand the point. But rising the rear height cause more oversteer I'd rather tweak the roll bars before.

Durge Driven · Mar 15, 2023

Badwheels said:
Tell you why that is unrealistic. Let's go to the real thing. All the car manufacturers get together and create an offshoot company to develop car engines, transmissions, and suspensions. They then go off into their little corners and add their own creature comforts, body styles, colors, brakes and so forth. They would do this so all of the consumers have the " same feel".

You have better chance of sandpapering a tigers ass in a telephone booth, than trying to get consensus on the core of a product by different groups who then all use that same technology.

I never said all sims or all games which is what you are espousing.

You miss the point it would be a base engine physics and graphics engine.
Tools developed from ground up.
Studios involved would then tweak however they saw fit.
Then you could at least start to question why X felt better then Z.
Of course you can't do that if they all use different engines.

Each country should have gone off and built there own space stations and colliders instead of collaboration.

Metla · Mar 15, 2023

Someone should have a business model where they buy a highly regarded sim engine and just reskin it for each different series, They could do Nascar, Indycar, BTCC, WEC.

Just think of the possibilities, If the engine is solid, People will love what comes next....

pai · Mar 15, 2023

roadyroad said:
Yes, another solution, as soon as I have understand the point. But rising the rear height cause more oversteer I'd rather tweak the roll bars before.

The default setups on AMS2 usually have 3 problems:

Too much diff locking
Too little rear camber
Spring rates not appropiate for weight distribution

So usually, what I do is the following for basically every RWD car in game:

Reduce preload by 25%
Increase rear camber until it's half the default value on the front end
Check the weight distribution on the car selection screen and change the springs so their stiffness roughly matches that bias

You will obtain a baseline that is driveable, balanced and fun, and you can begin your tweaking from there.

Leynad777 · Mar 15, 2023

roadyroad said:
I can't understand, it's easy to get oversteer in AMS2 and lose control. What is your point? I can understand Empty box's opinion about how the Indycars ovals handle in ovals, too gripy. But with you it's a neverending loop, between those who are ok and those who are are not. It just seems capricious and a question of taste

You must have very little throttle-control to spin in AMS2 these days and certainly only on the throttle and even the power-oversteers nowadays are just a fraction of what they used to be. If you brake too late and 'oversteer' the wheel for compensation, it will understeer always from my testings even in cars that used to punish you for that during the majority of my 2k hours in AMS2, but all gone. AMS2 used to be even one of the most tricky (former) sims getting it right and I'm disappointed they completely switch to easy peasy braking physics. Kind of glad that more people liking AMS2, but my former favorite cars are just a shadow of the past regarding physics and feel just boring driving them now. It doesn't require my full attention anymore like it used to, rather half of it and even AC feels better in comparison now again. Tyre-dynamics are watered down to a fraction of what they used to be as well and reminds me of what happened pCars 2 during the updates. And fun-fact: I was complaining that in the Reiza forum already and not one of the stuff-members responded that usually are quite protective regarding 'wrong physics'-claims.

pai · Mar 15, 2023

Leynad777 said:
You must have very little throttle-control to spin in AMS2 these days and certainly only on the throttle and even the power-oversteers nowadays are just a fraction of what they used to be. If you brake too late and 'oversteer' the wheel for compensation, it will understeer always from my testings even in cars that used to punish you for that during the majority of my 2k hours in AMS2, but all gone. AMS2 used to be even one of the most tricky (former) sims getting it right and I'm disappointed they completely switch to easy peasy braking physics. Kind of glad that more people liking AMS2, but my former favorite cars are just a shadow of the past regarding physics and feel just boring driving them now. It doesn't require my full attention anymore like it used to, rather half of it and even AC feels better in comparison now again. Tyre-dynamics are watered down to a fraction of what they used to be as well and reminds me of what happened pCars 2 during the updates. And fun-fact: I was complaining that in the Reiza forum already and not one of the usual stuff-members responded that usually are quite protective regarding 'wrong physics'-claims.

At least with Group C cars and under the guidelines I mentioned above for setups, it's not the case on my end. But it's just one scenario.

Leynad777 · Mar 15, 2023

pai said:
At least with Group C cars and under the guidelines I mentioned above for setups, it's not the case on my end. But it's just one scenario.

Group C is one of the classes that used to be much better as well on release, but just try the MAK-Corp Group C cars in rF2 for comparison because clearly better nowadays. Yesterday I was driving this EVE F1 1968 in rF2 that supposed to be the Vintage Gen 1 in AMS2, but differences like night and day towards rF2 today while the AMS2-version was once awesome as well. The Retro Gen 1 cars used to be better as well in AMS2, but now the F1975 Mod is by far ahead without changes...

pai · Mar 15, 2023

Leynad777 said:
Group C is one of the classes that used to be much better as well on release, but just try the MAK-Corp Group C cars in rF2 for comparison because clearly better nowadays. Yesterday I was driving this EVE F1 1968 in rF2 that supposed to be the Vintage Gen 1 in AMS2, but differences like night and day towards rF2 today while the AMS2-version was once awesome as well. The Retro Gen 1 cars used to be better as well in AMS2, but now the F1975 Mod is by far ahead without changes...

Drove the MAK's Group C mod more than anything on rF2, and the last update of it, which dates 4 years now according to the Steam Workshop, was done based on my feedback to correct clutch slip problems when H-Shifting, which was the best way possible to cover the big hole that game has with a lack of gearbox's physics models. But when I went past that, those cars were still off in several performance and handling aspects, and the physics guys in charge were not willing to keep on developing them or accepting critiques.

I can make the cars on AMS2 rotate and get loose at turn in as much as I want, for then balancing them back, sending a bit of weight transfer rearwards by applying just enough throttle, and then power out as normal on a balanced state with slip across all 4 corners of the car. I drove Group C class on every update since they got released because I love those cars and love the history of them, and have never ever noticed a change for the worse.

Which goes to show how subjective things can be

Leynad777 · Mar 17, 2023

pai said:
Drove the MAK's Group C mod more than anything on rF2, and the last update of it, which dates 4 years now according to the Steam Workshop, was done based on my feedback to correct clutch slip problems when H-Shifting, which was the best way possible to cover the big hole that game has with a lack of gearbox's physics models. But when I went past that, those cars were still off in several performance and handling aspects, and the physics guys in charge were not willing to keep on developing them or accepting critiques.

I can make the cars on AMS2 rotate and get loose at turn in as much as I want, for then balancing them back, sending a bit of weight transfer rearwards by applying just enough throttle, and then power out as normal on a balanced state with slip across all 4 corners of the car. I drove Group C class on every update since they got released because I love those cars and love the history of them, and have never ever noticed a change for the worse.

Which goes to show how subjective things can be

Looks like the good old physics coming back

. Just tested the new released beta-update from today and with the Vintage and Retro Gen 1 the difference is like night & day compare to the current official version with the stuck rear axis. I've also tested the Porsche GT1 and Group C and Corvette C3 R so far and it's not like night & day, but significant enough. This atrocious "GT7"-understeer in the current official build is hopefully history soon. Thank you Reiza

roadyroad · Mar 17, 2023

It seems the mid-2000s debate around harder is more realistic, when GTR2 went out, all over again. These are racing cars not suicide friendly machines, especially the endurance cars wis high downforce. This simple idea had been finally accepted, but after years the debate comes again, interesting...

Leynad777 · Mar 17, 2023

roadyroad said:
It seems the mid-2000s debate around harder is more realistic, when GTR2 went out, all over again. These are racing cars not suicide friendly machines, especially the endurance cars wis high downforce. This simple idea had been finally accepted, but after years the debate comes again, interesting...

Again this BS. Unrealistic high grip and what seems the complete absence of lift-off oversteer in the current build might make it easier for bad drivers or gamepad players, but for experienced drivers it's easier and far more enjoyable if cars are nimble and do what you ask them to. And no, it's not realistic what's official now and feels like stability control on max similar to GT7. And with this notorious understeer you will always loose against people that do some setup and driving shenanigans for better rotation.

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