Hey Ernie, thought I'd put your quotes into this thread instead of the general championship thread, since you were talking about VIR.
Hope that's fine for you! Otherwise I'd split the quotes and reply in both threads but... No
These cars are quite sensitive to setup, but you can do very little if anything about power oversteer.
Yes, but you can just put the power diff to 0% and it drives like high TC values in ACC with a mild drift and quite a long time frame to catch the rear.
It's a bit slower, but way safer!
Only thing that's still deadly then is flooring the throttle in first gear or flooring it on second gear mid right at the apex.
It is unfortunately all about the driver's right foot.
With the diff at 0-5%, you can just put the throttle to 50-80% at the apex and do a little short shifting when the rear starts to snap.
It took me some time to figure that out but I didn't spin at all at road America and now during my 30 practice laps at VIR
However, it's sad that there's no throttle-gamma in AC.
You do have premium pedals with software though, right?
So you could create a little plateau between 60-80% to make that area less sensitive, keeping you from going close to 90-100% too quickly.
They are not particularly wing sensitive, taking wing away for me as Rasmus has pointed out.
You think so?
I've found front wing 1 or 2 makes a huuuuuge difference and wing to 6 vs wing to 16 is massive too.
At VIR, going from 16 down to 13 got me spinning at some bumps!
they are not going to be fussy about highish CD values unless you have very long straights
I attached my low aero and high aero setups.
It's 1/6 vs 2/16 iirc.
I had a little practice session with Rob Denton and while I clearly had better exits with the high aero, I could snack him for breakfast on all 3 straights (roller-coaster isn't a straight, but still).
He was in the lambo with highish aero settings.
the designers certainly set them up well, difficult to beat the stock setup.
Yep! David Dominguez is a top notch car physics dude!
Every car is bloody quick out of the box and nicely balanced.
However they are all set up for pros with a tendency to understeer to allow massive acceleration with high power diff values.
If you can control that, it's super fast!
However I always end up fighting the understeer until the apex and then instant spinning, lol
Here's my list. Not for you Ernie, you know all this
So every car for me:
- power diff to 0-10%
- rear wing +2
- front camber less, 3 clicks
- rear camber more, 3 clicks
- front arb -1
- front suspension -1
- brake bias to the front until I don't get snaps from the rear under braking due to locking them
- Balance the rotation from braking to back on throttle with the coast diff
In words:
- make exit acceleration way safer with power diff
- clamp the rear down with the wing for stability
- make the front understeer over kerbs
- make the rear have some safe buffer of grip over bumps/kerbs
- get some cornering ability back by softening the front
- make braking safer with front bias towards the front
- Balance out the rotation with the coast diff
Btw the lower power diff also helps getting rid of power-on understeer.
With high values, you have understeer until you're reaching the perfect slip ratio/angle but a tiny bit beyond that and you spin without hope to catch it
I always go for the max front wing, it certainly helps front understeer and then makes rear aero balance the front, not worrying too much about the rear wing.
Try my low aero Lister setup and put the front wing to 2.
I'm 99,9% sure that you won't like it
Probably why I do not like them at all.
They are beasts for sure!
I found that I like them way better when using stronger ffb.
Practice get be tiring, but everything makes more sense when you have the feel of sheer grip and power in your hands!
With weaker ffb, they feel like GT3s with way too low grip...
But when you feel the resistance against turning the steering wheel, you don't dare to turn it too far and spin out
The ffb does become lighter when being slow enough.
And you also feel how the ffb becomes lighter when going on the throttle due to the front tyres having less load on them.
Really helps me to feel it!
My Lister settings:
- 30cm rim
- 8-9 Nm wheelbase (csw 2.5 at 100%)
- 40% gain (60% menu, 70% car)
- csp steering range compression to 100%
The csp setting at 150-250% normally boosts lower forces so driving gets more exciting and feels more like power steering.
100% = off.
AC doesn't simulate power steering! You just get the mechanical geometry force at the steering shaft as ffb.
But with these cars you want the big range of the ffb to get the immersion of "don't turn in further mate!"
The most stable and easy to drive is the Saleen S7R and with me driving
the fastest.
Yeah, the Saleen is great!
But I've read that you changed your mind haha
Never realised that VIR is a very awkward circuit with long straights, so I now
have changed my mind about wing, go low, with less wing.
I will stick with the Lister Storm, for me, they are all as bad as each other.
VIR is probably the most difficult track I've ever learnt.
It's also the only track that I've learnt 3 times and always started almost at zero again...
You have no armco or a change of grass vs gravel so everything looks identical. Also the kerbs are "negative", their high point is at tarmac level, the low point 5cm below the tarmac level.
So you don't really see them when you're just learning the track.
Also the kerbs are very short.
The opposite of Road Atlanta, where everything has a kerb
Try my high aero lister setup. It might suprise you how easy that car can be to drive
Or maybe not and I'm just getting good at it