So lets break this down.
First lets ignore the penalty, we will get to that.
Race 1
Daniel Kiss - Guilty, Pushing a car off the track
Jonny Simon - Guilty, Torres having to dodge Simon returning to track
Alvaro Torres - Guilty, Yes he dodged Simon coming back on track, but then he caused contact between him and Dunkel. This was the major action that caught
9 drivers who did not finish, especially the lap 1 DNF's (7 drivers).
Drivers that DNF'd because of this:
Giuseppe Marconi (lap 1)
Renan Lopes (lap 1)
Gennaro Celiento (lap 1)
Jonny Simon (lap 1)
Artyom Aslamazyan (lap 1)
Guillermo Prieto (lap 1)
Sebastian Dunkel (lap 1)
Michi Hoyer (possible suspension damage, lap 7)
Alex Diaz (possible suspension damage, lap 22)
And 1 Driver with possible damage, and he is typically a top 10 driver:
Thomas Satherley (possible suspension damage, 2 laps down)
Race 2
Jorrick Boshove - Guilty, moving to the right
Thomas Satherley - Guilty, moving to the left
Borja Garcia - Guilty, should have backed out
Per conversation with one of your peers in a Skype chat:
[9:09:56 AM] Kris Cobb: Garcia shoulda backed off a bit
[9:11:06 AM] ACE Driver: ye, but also guys on sides had to be more carefull and go straight
[9:11:14 AM] ACE Driver: mainly boshove
So now we have guilt down.
Lets move on to the penalty.
I guess you all TOTALLY IGNORE the fact that I said earlier this season T1 and T2 incidents would be HARSHLY judged. I KNOW its harsh, that is the point.
Turn 1/Turn 2 incidents were judged harshly and rightly so. They will be judged this way all season. You are warned.
http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/race-2-malaysia-post-race-checks.86811/
Thomas Satherley:
why can't we be more respectful at the back? Cars flying around in my mirrors..
Maybe tougher penalties are needed.
http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/race-2-malaysia-post-race-discussion.86511/
AlexF1 (assuming Alex Diaz):
A lot of people think we are in a destruction derby game or something like that, pushing out of the track other drivers with no sense and hitting over and over... 0 races without damage at the moment.
Same thread as above.
Mark Aalberts (discussion about Godek's ban, in relation to other driver penalties):
...we where already long past that point during these 2 races with a lot of silly crashes that happened during the race,.. a few more racers should have been banned instead then.
http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/race-2-malaysia-post-race-checks.86811/page-2
This races Post-Race comments:
Norbert Leitner:
This was a really amatour racing guys in the midpack at race 2 start. It was a joke. Much harder penalties should be applied for the drivers.
(Agreed by iceagecoming, James Sadler, Victor Ivanov, myself, Teemu Valkeejarvi, Christian Smirnoff, Frederic Schornstein, Will Prieto)
James Sadler:
The crashes in both races were pretty terrible. Hopefully we get harsher penalties like
@Norbert Leitner said.
(Agreed by Christian Smirnoff; Liked by Patrik Holzmann, Norbert Leitner, Rens Klop)
Will Prieto:
Completely agree with Norbert here, i couldn't complete a single lap in both races...just ridiculous, so many "heroes" who wants to win in the first corner and so many others that wants to take advantage of an accident by passing through without even lifting...
I'm expecting a lot of penalties here...that was a public server drive yesterday.
(Agreed by Christian Smirnoff, iceagecoming; Liked by James Sadler, Alvaro Torres, Norbert Leitner)
Chat in Race:
Sebastian Dunkel:
<Chat et="264.6">Sebastian Dunkel: i was hit in the wall</Chat>
<Chat et="269.2">Sebastian Dunkel: its a joke</Chat>
And also my warning in warm-up "Alright guys lets keep this clean"
And driving home my points all along:
Victor Ivanov:
And if Kiss didn't hit Simon that wouldn't have happened at all. End of story.
Georg Winter:
If you guys wouldnt do such ridiculous mass crashes every race, there wouldnt be any need to cry here... Even Pro have less of this big mass incidents...
You`re one division before WC and most of you want to do WC I guess. At the moment I would prefer pick some of the top Pro guys than from ACE...
And of course the commentary from Ondrej in his blog, unfortunately not family friendly to post here.
And the commentary earlier in the season saying PRO was cleaner than ACE.
Not including what would have been if one of you would have been caught up instead of at fault.