Any Year, Any Series: Which Retro Sim Would You Love to See?

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Sim racing offers an almost infinite number of content combinations, spread across multiple titles. Today's grab bag approach has not always been the go-to for racing simulations, however, as dedicated titles for certain series' seasons used to be the norm. We want to know: If this approach was revived, which season of which series would you love to see get a dedicated sim?

A well-working platform with a plethora of content to choose from is great to have variety in your sim racing life, and many of them succeed in getting the immersion just right whether the scenario is a current-day one or a throwback to years past. Assetto Corsa Competizione does this well for modern GT3 racing, while Automobilista 2 keeps adding classic content that make the sim seem more like a digital museum with each update.

Focusing on a certain year of a certain series has the added bonus of developers being able to nail every series-specific aspect: Although it is turning 25 years old this year, Grand Prix Legends is still a beloved title as it simulates the 1967 Formula One season like no other, including the full grid and calendar, as well as the rules of that year.

Potential for Unique Content​

For some series, the full grids and accurate locations element would be a great, unique element for a dedicated game. Take the 1992 DTM season, for example: The series was at the height of its popularity and raced on classic tracks like the Nürburgring, Norisring or Hockenheimring, but also on numerous airfield circuits like Diepholz, Kassel-Calden or Wunstorf, plus the Alemannenring street circuit in Siegen. These may partially be available as mods, but imagine them being part of a dedicated sim as fully fleshed-out versions - these things can make sim racers dream.

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Group C cars are available in many sims like Automobilista 2, but a dedicated sim featuring one or more full seasons could be on another level. Image credit: Reiza Studios

Possibilities are endless: Late 1980s Group C, the World Rally Championship at the height of the mighty Group B cars, IndyCar in 1993, including Mansell Mania gone Stateside and all circuits of the time - maybe even a 1950s Formula One sim that shows how different the world of motor racing used to be. There are countless great scenarios that would make for highly-interesting sim content.

While mods do make parts of these scenarios available, they usually have to make compromises, whether that means the rule sets or game mechanics - Assetto Corsa, for example, does not feature rolling starts, and AMS2 still lacks the ability to adjust boost pressure for turbocharged cars from inside the cockpit.

Your Thoughts​

We could go on and list potentially exciting scenarios to have their own sim, but we would rather hear your opinion: If you could wish for a specific series and season to be accurately portrayed in its own sim, which would it be? Let us know your deicison and your reasons in the comments below!
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Grand Prix Legends also simulates the complete 1955, 1965, 1966, 1968 and 1969 F1 seasons, the 1967 SportCars season, the 1967 F2 season, the 1966 and 1971 CanAm. And the 1937 Grand Prix, 1951 F1, 1965 to 1969 Tasman Cup, 1971 Sport Prototypes and 1970 F1 are in the making atm.
As mods, but the original game was just '67 which I'd imagine is why it got a mention for being so focused.
 
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maybe some early WTCC races, seasons, especially popularity of WTCC in years 2006-2010...Touring Cars and Martin Haven comments got me into Motorsport.
 
Super Touring seasons with accurate everything. At least three. '96, '97, '98. When the peak was happening. Earliers too are option, but at least these! Same era rallying (WRC) would also be fantastic. Or/and Group B era. Last, JGTC, im sure you know.. :coffee:
 
A +20 year old wish from here, only partly fulfilled by various mods in various sims

Two blasts from the past for the genie:

1983 World Sportscar Championship

Full season with full grids, seperately reflecting each venue.
And for each track into-details modeling of every single pothole and exact conditions at specific venue, i.e. full grids reflecting the series entering 1983 track states of the specific dates

  • 1000km Trofeo Filippo Caracciolo @ 1983 Autodromo Internazionale Monza
  • Grand Prix International 1000km @ 1983 Silverstone
  • Bitburger ADAC-1000km-Rennen@ 1983 Nürburgring
  • 1983 24 Heures du Mans @ 1983 Circuit de la Sarthe
  • Trophee Diners Club 1000 km @ 1983 Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
  • World Endurance Championship Japan 1000km @ 1983 Fuji Speedway
  • Castrol 1000 @ 1983 Kyalami
1970 World Sportscar Championship

Likewise full grids and, ofcourse, track & weather conditions likewise reflecting each venue with precise authentic modelling, i.e.

  • 24 Hours of Daytona @ 1970 Daytona Road Course
  • 12 Hours of Sebring @ 1970 Sebring International Raceway
  • BOAC 1000 km @ 1970 Brands Hatch
  • 1000 km di Monza @ 1970 Autodromo Internazionale Monza
  • Targa Florio @ 1970 Circuito delle Madione (11 laps)
  • 1000 km Spa @ 1970 Circuit de Spa-Franchorchamps
  • 1000 km Nürburgring @ 1970 Nürburgring
  • 1970 24 Heures du Mans @ 1970 Circuit de la Sarthe
  • Watkins Glen 6 Hours @ 1970 Watkins Glen
  • 1000-km-Rennen von Zeltweg @ 1970 Österreichring
Thanks in advance, developers :D

Tons of personal reasons for picking those two WSC seasons, apart from the obvious:

1983: Stefan Bellof's legendary Nürburgring 6:11,13 lap record in his #2 Rothmans Porsche 956.
As I've written plenty times before on this forum:
With now more generations of simmers laphunting Nordschleife, why no official sim or mod combo reflecting precise track conditions and weather for the most prominent record to rule them all? The goto of all goto's for laphunting.
Brave P956 mod bids have been provided during sim years. But exact late May 1983 Nürburgring track differs by a landslide to modern Nordschleife track conditions and mods for late 60ies or mid 70ies as well (of which the shunt cutting Zielstrecke didn't exist so would be senseless anyway). So a precise 1983 Nürburgring track, please.

1970: An indeed historic year.
Targa Florio, one of the ingredients being Leo Kinnunen's eternal 33:36,0 lap record in his #40 John Wyer Automotive Engineering Porsche 908/3. But also local hope Nino Vacarella in his competitive #6 SpA Ferrari SEFAC 512 S or Andrea de Adamich' Alfa Romeo T33/3 and the like.
Prototypes at speed in the open country side of sticky mountain slopes now seems just so long ago with present state of safety circuits with huge run-off areas. But also the more forgiving car classes speaking the Targa slopes, as e.g. the Alpine A110/1300S, Lancia Fulvia Zagato, the Abarth 2000, Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ, Alfa Romeo GTA, the 911S targa, Simca 1300, all vehicles with tons of soul.
Not to speak of that year's Le Mans edition. Or this classic Spa edition. Or Daytona 24 hours. Or...
That was some kind of a season to the history books.
Could continue with my reasons.
 
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I know there are mods for some of these... but I would rather have an EXCLUSIVE game of that category (so you have real drivers, real cars, realistic tracks and race rules) (mods are just cars)

F1 2000 Season
(although it is something personal) I believe that it had the best and most respectful rivalry (mika and the michael), the colors of the cars were varied (even the minardi was phosphorescent, it was also the first year of jaguar), and (personal opinion) it had to the 2 most beautiful f1 of all, the Ferrari F1-2000 and the Mclaren MP4-15
ferraris before 1998 had the boring Asprey logo, and ferraris after 2002 had the (HORRIBLE) vodafone logo...between 1999 and 2001, ONLY the F1-2000 had the "high" nose and kept the traditional logos ( shell, tic-tac, fedex on the side) (plus the downturned nose from 2001 onwards looks vomitous to me)...plus it was obviously the year michael won his first championship with ferrari.
and the MP4-15... just because of the overtaking in the SPA race, and that in several races starting 3rd, in just a few meters mika overtook everyone before reaching the first corner, I consider it the WORTHY rival.

someone could say "hey!, there are mods in AC, or in other simulators that have that season"....no, they only have the ferrari f1-2000 with liveries of the other cars (no matter how realistic it is, see a f1-2000 with the Minardi paint job makes me laugh), in addition, they are simulators to "go around", to do single races, they do not have the championship, nor the menu, nor the circuits (I mean that in the garage they do not they have no team logo, they are only circuits in common use), not even the HUD that f1 used in those years...
...that's why I still enjoy F1 Challenge 99-02. (There are mods that add all the tobacco sponsors, and improve the textures, huds...etc)


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1) Just Grand Prix Legends 2 please.

2) A "Best of" racing series featuring classic seasons of any series (not just F1). Each series should feature 1 particular year, a full championship that stands out for being legendry, and comes absolutely fully featured and recreated with every miniscule historical detail & accuracy including: all real-world teams, drivers, liveries, period accurate tracks, weathers, TV style presentations from each era, maybe even recreate yellow & red flags / stoppages (F1 Canada Button vs Vettel lol). Basically I'd want to completely live and be part of key moments in motorsport history.

"Best of F1" could have packs each containing one classic year per decade (such as: 1967, Hunt vs Lauda, Senna / Prost / Mansell times, 2000's V10's / Schumacher vs Hill etc). Rallying would have packs like: McRae / Burns, Loeb, Grönholm, Group B etc. Other series could be Indycar, Nascar, GT, Touring Cars, Endurance / LeMans, & Drift as extra packs. Plus same for 2 wheel racing - Rossi vs Gibernau, Foggy / Haga, Hodgson, Rea etc.

Obviously we have games / sims that go back and cover a lot of that content at a very basic or bare-bones level, possibly after a lot of modding too, but let's face it they're mainly all old and out-of-date by today's standards and most / all aren't polished packages whatsoever. While current sims generally feel a need to cover a huge amount of cars per title, Assetto Corsa Competizione has (re)proved that focused titles work and perhaps are better due to their dedication to quality over quantity. So I'd like to see more modern, focused & faithful retellings & recreations alike what GPL did for '67 F1 but now using the most up-to-date everything and be the bestest ultimate series ever.

And then I woke up...
 
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1987 WTCC. Before Ford Sierra RS500s really got dominant (M3 won the driver's points by 1, Ford got the single car entry by 4. both of them were cheating). I just think it'd be neat to have all of it, instead of piecemeal Group A content.
 
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I have a keen interest in delving into the history of Australian Group A racing from 1984 to 1992, given my background originating from New Zealand and spending a considerable amount of time in Australia. I am intrigued by the prospect of selecting one of the renowned racers such as Klaus Niedzwiedz, Tony Longhurst, Allan Moffat, Jim Richards, Mark Skaife, Dick Johnson, or Peter Brock, and participating in the series, culminating in the Bathurst 1000 race.
 
I know there are mods for some of these... but I would rather have an EXCLUSIVE game of that category (so you have real drivers, real cars, realistic tracks and race rules) (mods are just cars)




F1 2000 Season
(although it is something personal) I believe that it had the best and most respectful rivalry (mika and the michael), the colors of the cars were varied (even the minardi was phosphorescent, it was also the first year of jaguar), and (personal opinion) it had to the 2 most beautiful f1 of all, the Ferrari F1-2000 and the Mclaren MP4-15
ferraris before 1998 had the boring Asprey logo, and ferraris after 2002 had the (HORRIBLE) vodafone logo...between 1999 and 2001, ONLY the F1-2000 had the "high" nose and kept the traditional logos ( shell, tick-tock, fedex on the side) (plus the downturned nose from 2001 onwards looks vomitous to me)...plus it was obviously the year michael won his first championship with ferrari.
and the MP4-15... just because of the overtaking in the SPA race, and that in several races starting 3rd, in just a few meters mika overtook everyone before reaching the first corner, I consider it the WORTHY rival.

someone could say "hey!, there are mods in AC, or in other simulators that have that season"....no, they only have the ferrari f1-2000 with liveries of the other cars (no matter how realistic it is, see a f1-2000 with the Minardi paint job makes me laugh), in addition, they are simulators to "go around", to do single races, they do not have the championship, nor the menu, nor the circuits (I mean that in the garage they do not they have no team logo, they are only circuits in common use), not even the HUD that f1 used in those years...
...that's why I still enjoy F1 Challenge 99-02. (There are mods that add all the tobacco sponsors, and improve the textures, huds...etc)


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WSC 1966-1981
monsters like the porsche 917, or the ferrari 512s...
WSC GROUP C ERA (1982-1992)
not much to add... all the cars in group c, all the rules and scoring, and all the circuits.
(There was a mod for GTR2 that had all the cars!!!!, but it's not the same). (and I know there are those "loose" cars in many simulators... but that's it, loose cars, with no "sense of existence", even if you have the track identical to the time they ran, you can only do one race, not a full championship.

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BPR Global GT Series (1994-1996)
the great forgotten by all.... after the fall of group C, the GTs returned, I saw many cars from that time in many simulators, but they are just that, cars and liveries, they do not have the names of drivers, nor the circuits. ..or nothing... just cars going around, no sense of championship.
I personally never liked the confusing era that came after, between 1997 and 2000...in which extremely modified GT1s appeared....I always preferred the first ERA, 1994-1996 where the BPR championship was more "earthy", it wasn't of cars exclusively made for the gt1.
Personally I would like to see the Ferrari F-40 in a real race (no simulators where it is only "loose" running with other cars that are not historically consistent)
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and finally the BTCC 1991-2000
there is a MAGNIFICENT mod for gtr2, which has the "soul" of supertouring....I just want all of that to be a complete game. cars, drivers, circuits...
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with that we would have:
one touring racing
one gt racing
two sports prototype
and one of single-seaters formula.
 
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1989 IndyCar World Series.
When Marlboro was Emmo's sponsor on a Patrick Racing car.
Rick Mears would still drive that awesome yellow Pennzoil Penske.
The old Detroit street course, Long Beach would still have these odd curves underneath the Hyatt's parking deck (I believe it was the Hyatt's parking deck/garage).
Just imagine blasting through the desert heat of Phoenix in Arie Luyendyk's black Provimi Veal Lola.
 
Can Am 1972. You had the first year of Porsche coming on strong but Mclaren still won races. Really unique variety of powerful cars and famous drivers on classic tracks.
Or 1990 IMSA. So many great GTP cars and GTO cars.
The problem with the 1972 Can Am series is that Porsche was a dominant car that year, especially by the end of the year. McLaren won races because of reliability issues with the 917. If you had a sim series based on that year, Porsche would probably win every race.
 
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