Was Ocon to Blame for Verstappen Accident?

sjb266 · Nov 11, 2018

I don't know what he hoped to achieve by pushing Ocon after the race though.. it was kinda embarrassing for everyone concerned.. If I was Ocon I wouldn't have put up with that shyte... and certainly wouldn't have asked the FIA to intervene... Primadonnas!

GRaFkiyv · Nov 11, 2018

E.Ocon missed M.Verstappen in 1 turn and had the right to attack in 2 turns.
Judging in F1 - the most disgusting.

LeSunTzu · Nov 11, 2018

There should be a 4th option in the poll: "you reap what you sow".

Appie Kuipers · Nov 11, 2018

Ham defends Ocon. How would he react if it happend to him! No Ham you deserve a redcard!

callumjtc · Nov 11, 2018

ZuneGuy said:
Verstappen just needs to learn that a race car is not a weapon. In regards to Lewis Hamilton by the way, the words Lewis and lucky should never be used in the same sentence, it sounds nutty.

I think Verstappen is past that phase now, and no amount of Hamilton wishful thinking would have got him the win without some sort o intervention (Insert Ocon here).

callumjtc · Nov 11, 2018

Appie Kuipers said:
Ham defends Ocon. How would he react if it happend to him! No Ham you deserve a redcard!

I really hope you are not suggesting F1 is biased against Ham...

Ari Antero · Nov 11, 2018

Appie Kuipers said:
Ham defends Ocon. How would he react if it happend to him! No Ham you deserve a redcard!

Rules says that you are allowed to unlap yourself if you are faster and that is what Ocon did. Rules says also that you should leave space and that is what Max did`t. Judging in F1 unfair and disgusting.

Ricoow · Nov 11, 2018

Jolero02 said:
No law against re-overtaking, but obviously he would have had to let him go again. Need to introduce a law against it though, I would agree and was stupid of Ocon.

It wass stupid, but a law against unlapping is totally bonkers. If you legit are faster but got lapped due to damage, mistakes what ever, you should be able to gain back your lap other wise you are stuck and waiting for the lap up car to catch up with your next position. You are responsible for your action to undo yourself from the lap to execute it safely without disturbing the lap up car and yield your 'position' back again if you can't get away from that car in a reasonable amount of time.

I would say that the move itself was (too) risky, but Max is quite silly to defend so hard, he knew he was there so he should have taken a wider line. There is literally nothing at stake for him, he could only lose (which he did). Just let the guy pass and go on with your race. Ocon at fault obviously, but Max wasn't smart either.

Appie Kuipers · Nov 11, 2018

Ari Antero said:
Rules says that you are allowed to unlap yourself if you are faster and that is what Ocon did. Rules says also that you should leave space and that is what Max did`t. Judging in F1 unfair and disgusting.

Hmmmmmmmm, or you see things wrong, could that be it?

farjam · Nov 11, 2018

Airborne

Appie Kuipers · Nov 11, 2018

Juan Gualda said:
According to the rules, if a driver have been lapped but it is faster than a non-lapped driver you can unlap yourself, what Ocon was doing is legal and Max should have allowed it, not keep fighting

Can you explain why he got a stop and go then? You know it all?

Deleted member 113561 · Nov 11, 2018

Appie Kuipers said:
Can you explain why he got a stop and go then? You know it all?

We saw many times that Stewards are inconsistent and even wrong ... I wouldn't really hold on to your thought. We saw also teams in the past (incl. Ferrari) pulling some strings ...

Ari Antero · Nov 11, 2018

Appie Kuipers said:
Hmmmmmmmm, or you see things wrong, could that be it?

I din't wrote the rules but I can read, can you?

Duppy · Nov 11, 2018

I say it's pretty 50/50. Verstappen caused the contact by not leaving space but it's a bit stupid for Ocon, who wasn't in the points to go for the overtake there - obviously he has every right to if he feels he can get passed.

pablotill · Nov 11, 2018

I'm not fan of Max attitude (many crashes in the past) but today was ashame for the F1. Ocon (Mercedes driver) didn't let overtake with blue flag the 1st driver and he crashed to help the big Mercedes to win the race. Max was stronger. This is not my F1, the F1 I liked since child, this is F1cedes or FIACEDES.

E304LIFE · Nov 11, 2018

Michel Forest said:
No question. Ocon was a lap down, end of story.

Jacco van der Zaag · Nov 11, 2018

Duppy said:
I say it's pretty 50/50. Verstappen caused the contact by not leaving space but it's a bit stupid for Ocon, who wasn't in the points to go for the overtake there - obviously he has every right to if he feels he can get passed.

This. Ocon is stupid for being there, but, it isn't illegal to unlap yourself.
Verstappen however, for not leaving room, and crashing into Ocon, being in the fastest car on on track... Well, that's stupidity in the highest order. And the offtrack behaviour, well... He should get a ban for a race, atleast.

Lukilla · Nov 11, 2018

Ocon was ahead onto the chicane and he didn´t made a false move or anything. Verstappen ruined his own race again.

callumjtc · Nov 11, 2018

Jacco van der Zaag said:
This. Ocon is stupid for being there, but, it isn't illegal to unlap yourself.
Verstappen however, for not leaving room, and crashing into Ocon, being in the fastest car on on track... Well, that's stupidity in the highest order. And the offtrack behaviour, well... He should get a ban for a race, atleast.

Would you expect a lapped car in 16th to shove it down the inside while you were leading the race? Even if it was for position, Max was ahead and the line was his priority.