D-Box vs Prosimu

[HugoB]

Hi fellow simracers,

I’m interested if anyone has experience with both motion platforms and if you could tell the price difference is worth it? I understand Prosimu has a new actuator the ‘PRS 200’:

http://www.prosimu-shop.com/en/75-t1000.html

It has double the speed of the D-Box actuators and comes in 100/150/200 millimeters travel, which is 4/6/8 Inches equivalent. The 6 inch D-Box cost 36.000 USD for 4 if I’m correct. The Prosimu 6 inches cost 9800 USD for 4. That’s more than three times as much, is D-Box three times better?

I understand D-Box uses it’s own software for the motion and works pretty good with almost every game. Prosimu uses Simtools 2.0. Can you get the exact same feedback from the D-Box setup as from the Prosimu?

I understand D-Box actuators are magnetic and therefore completely silent and very reliable. The Prosimu PRS 200 are brushless motors, their latest product, these are much stronger, much more silent than the old SCN6 actuators. They claim that they are double the speed of the D-Box (2g vs 1g) and can lift 200kg per actuator compared to D-Box 114kg per actuator.

So whats the deal here? Double the performance for 1/3 the price? Does the PRS 200 with Simtools 2.0 perform exactly the same as the D-Box? But only a bit louder and less longevity? Does anyone have experience with Simtools 2.0 on motion, compared to D-Box software, does it have the same detailed feedback?

Thanks!

Hugo

 

[pt-actuator]

I very interested to hear your results after using it! May I ask how much the 3dof kit costs? I see this on their website, but no pricing, is this the kit you ordered?
http://pt-actuator.com/proshow.asp?strID=158
Thanks!

Hi, buddy, you can send emails to me , if you need customized solutions, or , how to make a 100% match with your chassis.

 

[Beef36]

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[Joe Extraknow]

Hi everybody. I've been searching the internet for days and this thread is the closest thing I've found to answering my questions! I'm currently looking to buy a 3DOF PT-Actuator system with 3 actuators. The price is significantly less than the 3DOF system that comes with 4 actuators. I'll be fitting it onto a Simlab GT1-Evo Rig.

My biggest concern is the stability of the rig with only a single actuator at the front? Also what about the angle it would make to the floor when in a maximum roll situation? I've asked PT-Actuators directly about this and they say it's not a problem at all. However, I can't find anybody who has this setup to confirm. Why does everybody tend to go with the more expensive 4 actuator setup if there is no real difference in the motion it can provide? It's making me think there must be some issues with the 3 actuator setup. If anybody has any videos or experience of a 3 actuator setup then I'd be very interested to see.

 

[LukeBrown]

Perfect, exactly the video I was hoping to find!

The advantage with setting up in this configuration is the pedals can overlap the front end of the frame without being obstructed by an actuator.

 

[RaceNut]

Perfect, exactly the video I was hoping to find!

The advantage with setting up in this configuration is the pedals can overlap the front end of the frame without being obstructed by an actuator.

Right, and if you need more capacity at the rear, there is plenty of travel to allow moving the actuator further back. I designed my frame so that the front portion is adjustable in length (a bit like telescoping) so it is more versatile and the beefiest part of the main structure is shorter and bit less costly. This allows for greater adjustment for center of gravity / length / actuator-travel / angle / weight distribution, etc.

 

[LukeBrown]

My PT Actuators have arrived! Here is a quick video of the initial testing just on a mock up frame and using the up/down test buttons on the Thanos controller. Since then I've also tested it with Simtools and configured all the axis etc. Definitely impressed by the build quality and also how quiet they run.

 

[Tronicgr_6DOF]

My PT Actuators have arrived! Here is a quick video of the initial testing just on a mock up frame and using the up/down test buttons on the Thanos controller. Since then I've also tested it with Simtools and configured all the axis etc. Definitely impressed by the build quality and also how quiet they run.

I know that the video misjudge the noise making it sound a lot louder... but yes, unless you run them in full speed, small quick positioning is very quiet!

 

[pt-actuator]

My PT Actuators have arrived! Here is a quick video of the initial testing just on a mock up frame and using the up/down test buttons on the Thanos controller. Since then I've also tested it with Simtools and configured all the axis etc. Definitely impressed by the build quality and also how quiet they run.

Thanks for you sharing, Luke, anyway, please share more using experience when you finished the rigs. You will help gain more repuation on our PT-Actuator, thank you ,buddy !!

 

[LukeBrown]

Here's another video of me testing them with the Simtools software. Can't do much else now until the new SimLab chassis arrives. Just waiting waiting waiting....

 

[pt-actuator]

Here's another video of me testing them with the Simtools software. Can't do much else now until the new SimLab chassis arrives. Just waiting waiting waiting....

lol. please do not stop rock and roll with your actuators before your chassis arrived....

 

[LukeBrown]

Big update... Everything is now complete! Here's a quick video of it all working. I'm very happy with both the Simlab chassis and the PT Actuators. The actuators are much quieter than I expected and the motion is very good. It's hard to describe but they are smooth and strong/precise. You can really feel how the car is sitting on the track, what the suspension is doing and all the little bumps and changes in track elevation.

The only problem I had was related to my Simworx pedals which were having signal problems due to EMR/EMI from the servos and cables. In the end I had to run some grounding cables from each pedal to the pedal controller board which solved it completely.

Next up is to actually start driving and racing again, after several weeks of just doing construction and testing!

 

[R3dF0x]

Coucou LukeBrown

 

[Anthony Prosimu]

Hi everybody !

Anthony here, from PROSIMU.

In order to help this topic, and for those of you who are interested in knowing more about our PRS200™ actuators, here's the latest related brochure: Click here

If you have any question, whether it's PRS200™ related or not, feel free to contact us here, on our website or on social media. We will be more than happy to answer .

Have a good day everyone !

 

[Chrhun]

Big update... Everything is now complete! Here's a quick video of it all working.

Hi Luke! How do you find the system now that you've had it a while? I'm really interested in the three actuator version. I can't really see what it misses from the four unit installation?

 

[Beef36]

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[Mr Latte]

Does someone need to tell D-Box that April Fools is past?

Those prices still seem a bit of a joke and out of most people's range.

In performance, they would need to be substantially better than other options to attract a much wider percentage of the sim racing community.

 

[anton_Chez]

"fine tuned in partnership with industry-leading game developers such as Codemasters and Turn 10 Studios"

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?

 

[anton_Chez]

Can't wait to spend nearly 10 grande USD for F1 2019 and Forza...

Also why a thousand more expensive for a 230V system vs a 110V one?

 

[Mr Latte]

"fine tuned in partnership with industry-leading game developers such as Codemasters and Turn 10 Studios"

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?

Thats, not fair Anton, there is also "Project Cars" franchise that heavily endorses DBox with hardware partners like Versaro and even Mclaren.

 

[anton_Chez]

I was just taking the piss that a system that is clearly aimed at simulator enthusiasts advertises working with developers whose games are commonly considered non sim.

And the Project Cars adverts only adds to that sentiment.

I've got no beef with them. Just found it amusing.