Fanatec Reveal New 'CSL DD' Wheelbase

German sim racing hardware giants, Fanatec, have revealed a new Direct Drive wheelbase - the CSL DD.
  • Available for just £349.95 euros.
  • New Fanatec Direct Drive wheelbase.
  • New, smoother technology.
Supporting the full Fanatec ecosystem of devices, the new CLS DD has been described by Fanatec as 'a giant leap forward', and comes with a new 100% custom motor that has been designed and developed at the Fanatec HQ specifically for use within sim racing. According to the manufacturer, the new motor is set to deliver what has been called "sensational" performance using the new FluxBarrier™ technology, which has been designed to communicate the nuances of force feedback detail with enhanced clarity over current offerings.

Capable of delivering up to 8 Nm of torque and featuring a first for Direct Drive wheels carbon composite motor shaft, it is immediately noticeable that the new unit is somewhat more compact in size that the previous generation of Fanatec Direct Drive wheels - as well as featuring an upgraded Quick Release system over existing products with the Fanatec portfolio.

Fanatec CSL DD 2.jpg


Key Features:
  • Direct-Drive system delivers instant, detailed force feedback
  • Linear, consistent performance (5 Nm peak torque with standard power supply)
  • Patented, exclusive FluxBarrier™ technology optimises motor efficiency and smoothness
  • Full Fanatec SDK support ensures game compatibility out of the box for all major racing games
  • Standard Tuning Menu allows beginners to get started quickly without having to worry about settings
  • Advanced Tuning Menu allows enthusiasts to fine-tune the force feedback characteristics to suit their driving preferences
  • High-resolution (contactless) Hall-position-sensor, same as Podium Series
  • Steering axis made from carbon fibre-enhanced composite
  • Fanless – wheel base housing is made from aluminium (passive heat sink, core structural component) with composite end caps
  • Wireless-QR technology (slip ring system, life-tested 24/7 for thousands of hours) means no mechanical rotation limiter, provides cable-free delivery of power and data to steering wheels
  • Automotive-grade quick release, exchangeable
  • T-nut rail system on sides and bottom for easily adjustable hard-mounting
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Well, if it works, reliably, it'll certainly kill off both Logitech and Thrustmaster. In that pricepoint, this thing will be a complete no brainer. 5 years ago it was time for TM and Logi to bring something to the DD table, now its now-or-never or be left behind for good.
Barry's review will probably be his most anticipated review ever.
Not sure it'll have much impact on Logitech or Thrustmaster. The average gamer has never heard of Fanatec and will always find the other two much easier to get their hands on.
 
Lets see how it goes. Little bit of search on the forum and someone said the telemetry-screen in the DD isn't still working with the current drivers and there's still some jolts/knocks here and there. Hopefully they can fix their drivers before the CSL DD comes out.

Personally I am more interested in a CSW DD. 10NM with boost to 14/15 or so. But honestly like I wrote in the forum I think they should consider to make the boost-powersupply mandatory and let people flick to 5nm and 8nm within the drivers or a switch on the base. Also less waste.

But good to see competition. Logitech and Thrustmaster can be considered dead for now. The uppertier DD-companies have 3 options. a. Release mainstream DD's. b. Keep it like it is and fill the high-tier. c. Make connections and QR universal but strive for competition and innovation with other companies to battle Fanatec. Or perhaps 4 options. d. Lower the current prices of the toptier DD's.
 
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Color me interested, very interested.
Well, if it works, reliably, it'll certainly kill off both Logitech and Thrustmaster. In that pricepoint, this thing will be a complete no brainer. 5 years ago it was time for TM and Logi to bring something to the DD table, now its now-or-never or be left behind for good.
Barry's review will probably be his most anticipated review ever.
This is a very aggressive move to capture the entry market which is an area Fanatec never reached, it can force the whole market to move along with it, i love it.
 
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And I will be getting one. Hopefully FANATEC allows only one per customer to beat the low-life scalpers, and does more than just simple "CAPTCHAS" like buy timers and stuff. So, if something is added and bought in miliseconds it rejects the sale. And also eliminate the "F5" and "Page Refresh" capability on that page. They need to 'force' you to log-in and you can only be on the 'Cart' and 'Check Out' pages for a certain time before it kicks you off, and only allow you to add the item to cart once per day. Furthermore only allow FANATEC customers who own actuall registered gear to buy first, meaning a purchase invite. I think that will be enough of a deterent for thieves.

Okay enough with my Rant.

I might give away my CSL Elite, CSL Elite Pedals and F1 V2 Wheel to someone here. It will have to be in the US though because the shipping costs are already going to be high.
 
Over $600 USD with a wheel/button box so $120 per Nm of torque. Accuforce V2 comes with a wheel/button box for $1000 USD or $77 per Nm of torque.

Unless the power supply upgrade is over $360, it will contribute to lowering the $/Nm of the Fanatec unit.

Still, it's fairly evident that what Fanatec are going for with this unit isn't raw value, but rather cramming as much as they can at a particular price point.

A lot of people, me included, won't pay $1000 for a base+wheel, but are willing to spend $500. Yesterday, the best we could afford was a belt-driven T300 RS or a used CSL Elite. Now, we can aspire to a DD wheel.
 
everyone saying this will kill tm and logitech. keep in mind if you want three pedals and an h shifter with fanatec you still need over a grand. csl elete padals are 230, shifter is 250. you COULD get away with a podium hub for 200 and an ebay rim for like 30 bucks but you wouldnt get any buttons or paddles. the bmw rim is 300.
so add 350 for this base and thats 1130. X amount more for the bigger power brick, so lets call it 1200?
t300 will be HALF that with the shifter and a g29 will get you there for half AGAIN.
 
Cheap No Good, Good No Cheap....
Cant be any good...
In the Netherlands we have a saying: buying cheap results in buying expensive. A DD wheel for 350 euro's just cant be any good.
I don't know if that is the case here.
First of all, it is not "really" cheap, seconds, if you go Fanatec, you want stuff from their portfolio. It might be really good so they can sell you more stuff from the product line.
It sounds to me like a unique selling point.

I hope the availability will be good. That might be a thing.... over the whole range,
 
Cheap No Good, Good No Cheap....

I don't know if that is the case here.
First of all, it is not "really" cheap, seconds, if you go Fanatec, you want stuff from their portfolio. It might be really good so they can sell you more stuff from the product line.
It sounds to me like a unique selling point.

I hope the availability will be good. That might be a thing.... over the whole range,
Well the CSL Elite Hub was really bad. Even Sim Garage said it was mehhh. We will see how the CSL Elite DD will perform. Think it's going to be a great entry wheel with a Mclaren rim or a P1 Elite. For a little cheaper there's always CSL Elite Used and Thrustmaster.

I am a little afraid CS Elite and CSW 2.5 will be worth nothing when the DD's come out. It might be advisable to sell the current CL Elite and CSW's and buy a DD1 or any DD people fancy. So you can sell the CSL Elite for 300 and the CSW 2.5 for 400 or so. Due Covid even for more and then put some more money above it and buy a used or new DD1. Personally I think I am going to buy a DD1 and sell my CSW 2.5 for 400-450. I might wait for a CSW DD but then I believe the CSW 2.5 will be only worth 200 - 300.
 
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I think its a good move by Fanatec, if it reaches 8nm that I believe matches the CSW 2.5 at full ffb, but will there be a CSW 2.5 DD? not convinced there will be, but then again I know nothing..:sneaky:
 
Finally. Hope it won't be like the latest graphics cards though, that exist only in theory. About the price: if you add one of their wheels it's around 800 euros for the whole thing, which to me keeps being not cheap at all. The Simagic M10 (base + wheel) in China costs around 700 euros and to me there is still margin for more human prices. But certainly it is a surprise to hear that Fanatec decided to be quicker than the competitors. Thrustmaster, where are you?
I think that the goal of getting things cheaper and cheaper is invalid. I won't bore people with a list of obvious consequences of this, though:) I wise man once said that you will ALWAYS find someone who does something cheaper. But you won't ALWAYS find someone who does it better. So it might be a better idea to be the latter of the two.
 
Honestly 5nm peak torque (8nm with the bigger power brick) is pretty weak for a DD base in my opinion.
But it's hard to beat price-wise and you do get to tell people that you have a direct drive wheel on your rig :whistling:
Edit: Also did I miss something or have Fanatec already stopped selling both the CSW 2.5 and CSL wheelbases?
Can't find them on their website now...
My OSW Big Mige is running at 25% most of the time, that's pretty close to 5-8nm range.
Most racing cars hardly come above 6nm, for some 80's F1 you might want to look somewhere else.

I think it's pretty amazing what the bring on the market for that price.
As before this 350,- wheels would be made from plastic, except for the underpowered AC motor.
 
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Not sure it'll have much impact on Logitech or Thrustmaster. The average gamer has never heard of Fanatec and will always find the other two much easier to get their hands on.
Anybody in to simracing on any platform has heard of Fanatec.

Cant be any good...
In the Netherlands we have a saying: buying cheap results in buying expensive. A DD wheel for 350 euro's just cant be any good.
Why not? It got less moving parts than previous plastic ones in that price range.
 
I think it’s a clever move from Fanatec for a few reasons:
1. The new lightweight motor shaft reduces mass so a weaker motor should be more responsive. This allows then to run with less power.
2. if they have phased out all belt drive systems from the ecosystem then the driver will be easier to update overtime as they will no longer need to worry about how to deal with force feedback from games to 2 motor drive types.(belt vs DD) I assume they have to translate differently.
3. I assume they can make big savings in using the same supplier for all motors. I do wonder if this was the original DD1 motor that never made it to production.
 
Well, if it works, reliably, it'll certainly kill off both Logitech and Thrustmaster. In that pricepoint, this thing will be a complete no brainer. 5 years ago it was time for TM and Logi to bring something to the DD table, now its now-or-never or be left behind for good.
Barry's review will probably be his most anticipated review ever.
If you add in the price for the 8nm power brick , a wheel, and maybe the optional table clamp if you need it, it ain't really so cheap after all
 
I think that the goal of getting things cheaper and cheaper is invalid. I won't bore people with a list of obvious consequences of this, though:) I wise man once said that you will ALWAYS find someone who does something cheaper. But you won't ALWAYS find someone who does it better. So it might be a better idea to be the latter of the two.
What i am saying is that the DD wheels prices are all aligned towards premium, while the technology in them does not require premium prices. And that means we are paying too much. There is a good difference between this and "cheap". You should have a choice of value, mainstream and premium products.
 

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