2022 Formula One Italian Grand Prix

Gevatter · Sep 12, 2022

trichens said:
Six races to go - 150 pts + 6 fastest laps.
Today
MV 335
CL 219
Difference 116

Imagine how interresting this season could have been if Leclerc was in a team that knew how pitstops worked.

Jim Layee · Sep 12, 2022

I'm amazed that people thing a red flag would have been the right thing to do because of 'entertainment' I remember when people watched sport for the sport.

pcraenme · Sep 12, 2022

Kingkoenig said:
If he doesn't have any mechanical issues, he could win all six. The RB is the best car right now, reminds me of Vettel's championship years.

I think the Ferrari and RB are very close. On a one lap pace Ferrari has the better car. In the race the RB seems to have the upper hand, but is that the car or also maybe Max driving and Red Bull being better at strategy during the race? Because Perez currently in not 2nd in the WDC, which is quite different from when Mercedes dominated and Bottas was 2nd or even Rosberg won a WDC title. Ferrari could have won more races this year, but their drivers and strategists have made too many mistakes this year, which is a shame.

RichardHessels · Sep 12, 2022

Gevatter said:
Imagine how interresting this season could have been if Leclerc was in a team that knew how pitstops worked.

Somewhere in a midfield team?
All these so-called pit strategy problems of Ferrari are coming from the fact that no matter what strategy they choose, RB Verstappen is just too fast.
Any other strategy would have had nearly the same outcome.

Guido Trampe · Sep 12, 2022

RichardHessels said:
Somewhere in a midfield team?
All these so-called pit strategy problems of Ferrari are coming from the fact that no matter what strategy they choose, RB Verstappen is just too fast.
Any other strategy would have had nearly the same outcome.

You mean adding 4 wheels at same time and not 3? I guess not.... They have made many racedeciding errors that would have perhaps not made them win all those races but sure could have kept drivers scoring more points.

LeSunTzu · Sep 12, 2022

Mistakes come easily when the driver or team are under pressure. Ferrari's mistakes are a consequence of Verstappen's domination. That does not make them look less silly, but they are not losing the championships because of that. Remember that Checo Pérez is only 9 points behind Leclerc even if his season looks very average.

Badwheels · Sep 12, 2022

LeSunTzu said:
Mistakes come easily when the driver or team are under pressure. Ferrari's mistakes are a consequence of Verstappen's domination. That does not make them look less silly, but they are not losing the championships because of that. Remember that Checo Pérez is only 9 points behind Leclerc even if his season looks very average.

You only put pressure on yourself. If you know what you are doing, there is no pressure.

THK84 · Sep 12, 2022

What if MV had a championship level car earlier in his career, would he have been at his current level earlier?

i.e. not taking as much risk and send it (or give the opposition the choice to either crash or concede) like Senna, compared to being fast and calculated like Prost.

Damage Inc · Sep 12, 2022

Jim Layee said:
I'm amazed that people thing a red flag would have been the right thing to do because of 'entertainment' I remember when people watched sport for the sport.

To be fair...the whole raison d'etre of modern sport is entertainment. Without the punters watching the show....there's no sport. It's basically Gladiators.

Unless you want to go back to it's roots which I believe is primarily miltary training!

However I do agree with you regarding the red flag, it's for safety reasons and not for "the show"......but concluding a race behind the SC is all sorts of **** IMO, I'd like it if FIA make some coherant rules to ensure races don't finish behind the SC.

PickABetterUsername01 · Sep 12, 2022

It's amazing what Verstappen is doing this year. He makes that Red Bull car look like Mercedes used to be, except Mercedes actually had a car that was easily 1s+ faster than everyone else, while Red Bull and Ferrari are actually very close in performance.

Without all the mistakes Ferrari and Leclerc did this season, Verstappen would still be ahead, but they would be much, much closer.

Gevatter · Sep 12, 2022

Damage Inc said:
However I do agree with you regarding the red flag, it's for safety reasons and not for "the show"......but concluding a race behind the SC is all sorts of **** IMO, I'd like it if FIA make some coherant rules to ensure races don't finish behind the SC.

Well, if they'd allow refuelling again, they could just suspend any laps behind the safety car and tack them on afterwards, making the race effectively longer and teams would have to anticipate how much fuel to put in to last the rest of the run. In the current conditions there is nothing they can really do apart from red flagging or finishing behind the safety car because cars would just run out of fuel.

Scottt · Sep 12, 2022

Jim Layee said:
I'm amazed that people thing a red flag would have been the right thing to do because of 'entertainment' I remember when people watched sport for the sport.

Well, sport is a form of entertainment. I'm amazed about lots of things, but the fact that people want to improve the entertainment value of entertainment is just about the least amazing thing I can think of.

Scottt · Sep 12, 2022

PickABetterUsername01 said:
It's amazing what Verstappen is doing this year. He makes that Red Bull car look like Mercedes used to be, except Mercedes actually had a car that was easily 1s+ faster than everyone else, while Red Bull and Ferrari are actually very close in performance.

Without all the mistakes Ferrari and Leclerc did this season, Verstappen would still be ahead, but they would be much, much closer.

I think what Verstappen did last year was more impressive. This year, on balance he probably has the best car. Last year, on balance he clearly had an inferior car (on balance) to Mercedes. Or even look at what he did in the previous years (like 2019) when RBR had the third best car on the grid.

Scottt · Sep 12, 2022

Gevatter said:
Well, if they'd allow refuelling again, they could just suspend any laps behind the safety car and tack them on afterwards, making the race effectively longer and teams would have to anticipate how much fuel to put in to last the rest of the run. In the current conditions there is nothing they can really do apart from red flagging or finishing behind the safety car because cars would just run out of fuel.

Or you could mandate that cars must finish all regulation length races with at least X liters of fuel remaining; with X being the amount of fuel to complete 5 laps under the SC. I'm not saying this is the best solution; just that lots of these problems are fairly trivial to solve.

pcraenme · Sep 13, 2022

PickABetterUsername01 said:
It's amazing what Verstappen is doing this year. He makes that Red Bull car look like Mercedes used to be, except Mercedes actually had a car that was easily 1s+ faster than everyone else, while Red Bull and Ferrari are actually very close in performance.

Without all the mistakes Ferrari and Leclerc did this season, Verstappen would still be ahead, but they would be much, much closer.

Yeah, it’s a shame because we could have had a great season with a WDC battle between Max and Charles. Let’s hope they learn from their mistakes (being Ferrari, probably not

), and next year will be more exciting. And maybe Mercedes can get their car working on all circuits as well.

Celestiale · Sep 13, 2022

Thing is, Verstappen is clearly a class above every other driver. As long as another car (Ferrari, Mercedes) is not clearly better then the Red Bull, I don't see an exciting championship happen. I would not count on Ferrari for that, they would mess up even with a better car, as seen at the beginning of the season, where their car was clearly the best, but they still f**d it up.
But Mercedes being Mercedes I see them having the edge again next year which could lead to a very exciting championship between Verstappen and Russell (and maybe Hamilton if he manages enough poles in quali).

kondor999 · Sep 14, 2022

Scottt said:
Well, sport is a form of entertainment. I'm amazed about lots of things, but the fact that people want to improve the entertainment value of entertainment is just about the least amazing thing I can think of.

Back in the early 90's, Bob Varsha was walking through the pitlane and he stopped to ask a Renault engineer "How high does your latest engine rev?"

The Renault engineer looked straight at him and replied laconically in a heavy French accent: "I cannot tell you. Formula One is a war."

F1 is not a sport, or "entertainment". F1 is a war. And people have died fighting it.

Scottt · Sep 14, 2022

kondor999 said:
Back in the early 90's, Bob Varsha was walking through the pitlane and he stopped to ask a Renault engineer "How high does your latest engine rev?"

The Renault engineer looked straight at him and replied laconically in a heavy French accent: "I cannot tell you. Formula One is a war."

F1 is not a sport, or "entertainment". F1 is a war. And people have died fighting it.

People have died making movies, it's still entertainment. Spectator sports are in fact entertainment. And F1 is in fact a sport.

The F1 engineer was speaking figuratively, not literally or he has absolutely no idea what a real war entails.

davehenrie · Sep 14, 2022

paracletus said:
I wouldn't be surprised to see red flags to prevent instances like this happening again; can't see a downside of doing that -- especially if they don't allow the tyres to be changed.
Just stop the race, and restart on the grid - as they were.

THAT is one of my biggest GRIPES about red flags. NOTHING should be done to the cars, no repairs, no fuel, no tires, at most water for the driver.

LeSunTzu · Sep 14, 2022

Scottt said:
People have died making movies, it's still entertainment. Spectator sports are in fact entertainment. And F1 is in fact a sport.

The F1 engineer was speaking figuratively, not literally or he has absolutely no idea what a real war entails.

Come on...

2022 Formula One Italian Grand Prix

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