GTR2: Why are Modern Sims Still Not as Good?

Paul Jeffrey

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GTR2 is 11 years old, features a series that no longer exists and was developed for technology less advanced than a modern smart phone. Unbelievably it's still one of the best sims available today.

What I want to know is why? Why in the last 10 + years have some of the many awesome features found in this now long forgotten game not made their way into something more modern? Ok granted many different games feature some of the bits in GTR2, but no single title has taken what was already an incredible base and expanded upon it with the aid of much advanced technology we now have at our disposal.

Driving School? Check
Fully animated pit workers? Check
Animated flag marshals? Check
Day - night transition? Check
Weather cycle? Check
Full official series licence, over two separate seasons? Check
...and the list goes on and on...

Simply put GTR2 was massively overdeveloped, period. SimBin Studios quite literally took every single aspect of the then premier GT racing series in the world and recreated it all into a compelling racing experience that still stands out as a top simulation even by the standards of today, 11 years after the game hit our shelves.

I just find it all incredibility bizarre. In very few industries outside of sim racing will you see a decline in product quality and content as the years progress like we have to put up with today. When GTR2 first shipped in September 2006 the game was a complete package, not splattered with ridiculous bugs that prevented anyone having a good time, not bombarded by wave after wave of disparate DLC content with little or no relevance to the main experience and not hanging on by the merest thread for dear life as another iteration of something that's been released by someone else already. It really was a golden time for sim racing fans, and those who witnessed it all first hand really did think this would be the beginning of something big in sim racing.

Fast forward to 2017 and sadly the progress expected post GTR2 has quite simply not materialised. The game, the official simulation of the FIA GT World Championship, was probably the very last fully feature complete racing simulation we have seen in our niche genre. We've had loads of new games since then, some of which have even been released by the same people responsible for GTR and GTR2, but none have even come close to matching the level of features and polish afforded fans back in 2006. It's down right strange.

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Take RaceRoom Racing Experience for example, developed as the next GT game from the people behind GTR and GTR2, when the title first hit public beta stage back in February 2013 what did we have? Basically a hotlapping simulation with limited content, no official series licence, no AI to race against and precisely zero multiplayer features. Added to the still missing animated flag marshals and a range of other GTR2 items that haven't made the move over with time, it's all rather a depressing scene in which to take in.

Ok I appreciate Sector3 have worked exceptionally hard at improving RaceRoom to get to a level where it is barely recognisable now to what it looked like on launch day, but still to even consider releasing a game that was basically stripped of everything that made GTR2 great is simply mind boggling.

And it's not just RaceRoom that are guilty of missing out some key features considered par for the course 11 years ago, everyone is doing it! You only have to look at one of the most popular sims on the market Assetto Corsa as a perfect example, they consider themselves to be perfectionists on a mission to produce the most true to life experience possible, and they even miss out the core basics like weather and day to night transition, never mind such "nice to have" features like a driving school, proper flag implementation and multiclass racing options. It's simply amazing to realise that these features quite simply only exist in a game that was designed and released over a decade ago. Unbelievable.

GTR2 still looks pretty good on top graphics settings, still feels very nice indeed with my trusty CSW V2 and still sounds like it belongs in the very top tier of audio experience. All that whilst replicating a seriously mega international championship in a exceptionally detailed simulation that really does pick out all the little features that makes driving on a virtual track feel like the real thing. With that said and the pretty compelling physics considering the age of the title added up with stuff that no other sim has all together in one package, this is why I still believe GTR2 is, without reservation, the very best simulation racing experience one can purchase during 2017.

I love the game, it's just a bit sad that no one has thought to try and make something similar in the following 132 months since it was released.

GTR was released by SimBin Studios exclusively for PC. The game is still available to purchase on Steam for £4.99.

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Do you still enjoy GTR2? What did the sim do right in your opinion? Why do features present in GTR2 still not appear in moderns sims? Let us know in the comments section below!
 
1 - Cause is much more funny than contemporaries... simply, cause it is a game more than a simulator... Contemporaries tend to stressing to drivers, cause they pretend realism

1bis- Settings, in GTR2, still being more complete than... AC eg (where, oneself, can not set the steering, between other things)

2 - Contemporaries ask much hardware, who many people havent (on the world)

3 - During much time was the only game-simulator who had rainy races (and very well worked)... Contemporaries has added rain recently, but we come back to the former point... for watch a nice rain, in a race, you must to have expensive hardware...

4 - And the "first love" is much more important than other thing, whe oneself are thinking in get some fun for free times...
 
Nords 2007? Is that a good version, like pretty accurate? I recall a lot of GTR2 Nords are very inaccurate.

True but what other sims can you drive with 99 AI :)
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Amazing I testing a $500AU ( $350US) tower with old gmotors and Essentials/10th Anniversary HQ
Ryzen 3 3200G @ 4.1 GHz and Vega8 @ 1800 core runs everything smooth 35AI Spa, will test 24H field later

By the way screen is from my gaming PC
100 cars needs more grunt then again I may be surprised need to test

P.S. that is with APU runs 4x 16x and looks better then my RTX2080\Nvidia lol
 
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P.S. that is with APU runs 4x 16x and looks better then my RTX2080\Nvidia lol
That is my impression too with a spare computer with a AMD HD 7870 just looks better with most dx9 games compared to my RTX 2070 GPU..

I like both Race 07 and GTR2 and now thinking maybe building something low powered like the 3200G just for those and GTL.
No need to waste energy on a high powered computer if the 3200G can give me ~120 fps?
 
I got 60fps with absolute max settings and 52 cars at Spa, and using full Anniversary HQ
Have not played with anything else in Radeon control panel other then 16x 4x
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I just noticed I had 60fps target rate set no wonder it never moved off 60 doh
 
Oh on the 3200G I would recommend for all old gmotor looks so nice too
They cost a pittance whole tower with SSD you can do for 350US
250GB SSD partitioned 50-60GB for OS and 175GB D:\ for GTR2/GTL/Race/rFactor


All cores ran 4.1GHz and gpu + 650MHz and good temps actually amazing temps
Cheap Hyper cooler would be good ( I put my 3900X cooler on mine )
hottest summer day was 36c so far ( gets to 45+ ) and stress testing the 3200G laughed at it

I tested Stock cooler was okay if you have regulated ambient temp

My build cost $1000AU but like I said you could spend as little as $500AU

I was going to sell the tower after Summer but so impressed I keeping
 
It is my daily PC now even encoding is okay sure slower, runs in background fine so no biggiie
I get varying results encoding with RTX2080 but 3200G does same quality every time
Multi tasks fine

$350US build

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edit my build:


Thermaltake V200 TG RGB Edition Mid Tower
Thermaltake Smart RGB 600W Power Supply
AMD Wraith Prism cooler with RGB LED ( new from my 3900X )
AMD Ryzen 3 3200G APU with Vega 8 Graphics
Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro WiFi Motherboard
G.Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3600C18D-16GTZN 16GB (2x8GB)
Samsung 960 EVO 250GB NVMe M2 SSD
Samsung 860 QVO 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD
Windows 10 Home OEM Key
$1000AU

The performance with $500 and $1,000 tower would be identical






 
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All cores ran 4.1GHz and gpu + 650MHz and good temps actually amazing temps
Cheap Hyper cooler would be good ( I put my 3900X cooler on mine )
hottest summer day was 36c so far ( gets to 45+ ) and stress testing the 3200G laughed at it
So your test is with OC?
Could you tell me what ~fps you get in gtr2 with 4x, 16x all max graphics in cockpit view ~24 car race rain or no rain?
Been looking at the 3400g but it doesn't look like it got much advantage for $50 more?
 
So your test is with OC?
Could you tell me what ~fps you get in gtr2 with 4x, 16x all max graphics in cockpit view ~24 car race rain or no rain?
Been looking at the 3400g but it doesn't look like it got much advantage for $50 more?


Sorry missed that

Okay Fresh W10 Home 1909 , Compat. mode Admin\Windows 7 , Radeon 16x 4x



HQ 10th Anniversary Cars\Tracks 23 AI Settings absolute max
GTR2 folder drag and drop from steam then activate Essentials HQ



Dry between 60-100fps .....I can do a benchmark test if you want more info



Wet started in 50's Eau Rouge 60+ all the way




Hope that gives a idea

That was all cores at 4.1GHz and gpu at 1800MHz
any 3200G should do that no prpoblem

Mind you that is without any tweaks whatsoever so you could drag more fps and look just as good, etc.
 
Sorry, yes 1080p probably get 120 dropping some settings but not at 1440p, would think 60fps
I guess you don't have a freesync monitor ? actually I not sure APU even supports it ( I don't have freesync monitor so setting is greyed out in Radeon control panel )
 

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