GTR2: Why are Modern Sims Still Not as Good?

Paul Jeffrey

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GTR2 is 11 years old, features a series that no longer exists and was developed for technology less advanced than a modern smart phone. Unbelievably it's still one of the best sims available today.

What I want to know is why? Why in the last 10 + years have some of the many awesome features found in this now long forgotten game not made their way into something more modern? Ok granted many different games feature some of the bits in GTR2, but no single title has taken what was already an incredible base and expanded upon it with the aid of much advanced technology we now have at our disposal.

Driving School? Check
Fully animated pit workers? Check
Animated flag marshals? Check
Day - night transition? Check
Weather cycle? Check
Full official series licence, over two separate seasons? Check
...and the list goes on and on...

Simply put GTR2 was massively overdeveloped, period. SimBin Studios quite literally took every single aspect of the then premier GT racing series in the world and recreated it all into a compelling racing experience that still stands out as a top simulation even by the standards of today, 11 years after the game hit our shelves.

I just find it all incredibility bizarre. In very few industries outside of sim racing will you see a decline in product quality and content as the years progress like we have to put up with today. When GTR2 first shipped in September 2006 the game was a complete package, not splattered with ridiculous bugs that prevented anyone having a good time, not bombarded by wave after wave of disparate DLC content with little or no relevance to the main experience and not hanging on by the merest thread for dear life as another iteration of something that's been released by someone else already. It really was a golden time for sim racing fans, and those who witnessed it all first hand really did think this would be the beginning of something big in sim racing.

Fast forward to 2017 and sadly the progress expected post GTR2 has quite simply not materialised. The game, the official simulation of the FIA GT World Championship, was probably the very last fully feature complete racing simulation we have seen in our niche genre. We've had loads of new games since then, some of which have even been released by the same people responsible for GTR and GTR2, but none have even come close to matching the level of features and polish afforded fans back in 2006. It's down right strange.

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Take RaceRoom Racing Experience for example, developed as the next GT game from the people behind GTR and GTR2, when the title first hit public beta stage back in February 2013 what did we have? Basically a hotlapping simulation with limited content, no official series licence, no AI to race against and precisely zero multiplayer features. Added to the still missing animated flag marshals and a range of other GTR2 items that haven't made the move over with time, it's all rather a depressing scene in which to take in.

Ok I appreciate Sector3 have worked exceptionally hard at improving RaceRoom to get to a level where it is barely recognisable now to what it looked like on launch day, but still to even consider releasing a game that was basically stripped of everything that made GTR2 great is simply mind boggling.

And it's not just RaceRoom that are guilty of missing out some key features considered par for the course 11 years ago, everyone is doing it! You only have to look at one of the most popular sims on the market Assetto Corsa as a perfect example, they consider themselves to be perfectionists on a mission to produce the most true to life experience possible, and they even miss out the core basics like weather and day to night transition, never mind such "nice to have" features like a driving school, proper flag implementation and multiclass racing options. It's simply amazing to realise that these features quite simply only exist in a game that was designed and released over a decade ago. Unbelievable.

GTR2 still looks pretty good on top graphics settings, still feels very nice indeed with my trusty CSW V2 and still sounds like it belongs in the very top tier of audio experience. All that whilst replicating a seriously mega international championship in a exceptionally detailed simulation that really does pick out all the little features that makes driving on a virtual track feel like the real thing. With that said and the pretty compelling physics considering the age of the title added up with stuff that no other sim has all together in one package, this is why I still believe GTR2 is, without reservation, the very best simulation racing experience one can purchase during 2017.

I love the game, it's just a bit sad that no one has thought to try and make something similar in the following 132 months since it was released.

GTR was released by SimBin Studios exclusively for PC. The game is still available to purchase on Steam for £4.99.

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Do you still enjoy GTR2? What did the sim do right in your opinion? Why do features present in GTR2 still not appear in moderns sims? Let us know in the comments section below!
 
Speaking of greats; it is good to hear you are still around, sir. You created some of the most beautiful cars & skins for GT Legends that I ever downloaded. You were especially fond of Corvettes, as I recall. I have been going through my backups trying to find your awesome work; I can't believe I somehow lost track of them. I WILL FIND THEM and when I do may I have your permission to post them here?
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haha, thank you!

I am just glad people are using them, I spent enough time working on that stuff

I have updated versions of a lot of those, with improvements; co-ordinate with me before you upload anything?

Altbierbude still has old versions running on their server, too
 
Thank YOU for your many contributions!

I have located files containing these awesome skins & mods for GT Legends:
  • Corvette '65 Sunray v1_0
  • Corvette 69 L88 .psd template v1_0
  • Corvette 1968 L88 LeMans Filipinetti 3 v1_8
  • Corvette 1968 L88 roadster Sunray DX Yenko 91 v1_1
  • Corvette 1969 L88 John Greenwood BFG 49 v1_0
  • Corvette 1969 L88 John Greenwood BFG 72 v1_1
  • Corvette 1969 ZL1 LeMans Henri Greder 2 v1_0
  • Corvette 1969 L88 roadster Owens Corning 01 v2_1
  • Corvette 1969 L88 Yukon Jack v2
  • Corvette76_JohnGreenwood_V1_1 (#48)
  • Corvette76_Salsa_Cycles_V2_0
I would be honored to upload these (or grateful for any updated versions and/or additional cars) to share with RD members if it suits you. Please advise.
 
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yeah, those are all old versions, let me spend some time digging thru my old PC/hard drives

I even figured out how to fix the disappearing damage, because the dents wouldn't work in GTL, with my modded car geometry

I also improved a lot of the track camera's, I'll see if I can find those files too

maybe we can continue this in the GTL forum?

ps you are very welcome!
 
Well today it´s July 27 2019...and i´m still playing it. I´m looking forward to change to a new machine, but not to play Assetto Corsa our Race room for sure.
GTR 2 and Race 07 on the top of the list. And time to time GP Legends and all it´s mods revisited.
Top notch sim racing!
 
I love GTR and GTR2 and also GT Legends since the day they came out. Plus the almost endless amount of mods.
One factor that always played a big part for me was that I never had the best and/or most modern machine. So many newer sims just weren't running well. I could always get decent performances out of SimBin games. A couple of years I bought a new machine, still more low budget than high end gamer. I tried AC but only can do time trials with good fps rates. With 5 cars it drops below 20. I can do GTR HQ mod with 60+ cars with high frame rates. Much more fun.
 
This might have been said already but I glossed over several pages...

GTR2 was made by people who now work for SMS, not Simbin...though they were all technically Simbin when it was a modding group. That's why, as someone noted, the closest we've had since was pCars...for all it's disappointments
 
This might have been said already but I glossed over several pages...

GTR2 was made by people who now work for SMS, not Simbin...though they were all technically Simbin when it was a modding group. That's why, as someone noted, the closest we've had since was pCars...for all it's disappointments
Yep, people keep asking for GTR3 when they alredy got more than that, to like or not to like them is another topic.
 
I have been trying really, really, really hard to like AC. I'm messing with some of the cars. Take the Caterham for example, there quite simply is only one place to drive it where it truly feels 110% fun, in Race07!
GTR2 has a swarm of great cars and for F1, I've tried ridiculously hard to use the F1 2002 version in the new sim but I just want to keep going back to F1 Challenge!

OMG! It's giving me a headache.
 
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