[UPDATED] Questionable tactics exposed after iRacing's Daytona 24h

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As all the noise following rFactor 2 technical issues during the Virtual Le Mans race was starting to settle down, it's the sporting side of things that fuels yet another sim racing esports controversy after iRacing's edition of the Daytona 24h, with Williams Esports being at the heart of it all.

Everything started after qualifying. Pole position lap in the top class was performed by Alxander Spetz in the #1 LMDh car by driving on the apron instead of staying on the banked part of the oval. The rules clearly stated the apron was off limits, and cones were present at the beginning of the turns to further deter cars to take that line, but unusually, the software didn't trigger an off-track strike for using those bits of tarmac. Organizers explained the detection was manually removed to encourage teams suffering car damage to use the apron to crawl back to the pits without crowding the racing line unnecessarily.

Still, despite the driver having suffered a ban from the service, the team still kept, their pole position, and overall race result, although Williams purposefully switched to the face cam view for the whole lap on their own livestream. iRacing stated that the results are definitive once the race is finished, which hasn't been taken well by other competitors and the community, prompting complaints about the lack of live stewarding.

But the worst was yet to come, as sim racing streamer Pablo Araujo released a video exposing even more disturbing behavior from the team, this time in GT3.


As evidenced by replay footage, Williams Esports used a car that was out of contention after sustaining damage to help its other entry in the class. Car #2 purposefully waited in the pits and in the pit exit road to provide slipstream to its sister #55 car - which while questionable, isn't currently actively prohibited by the regulations - but more crucially, actively tempered with other competitors by defending position despite being several laps down. At some point, car #2 even pushed car #034, which was in the leader's lap, into a crash, effectively ending that team's race.

Tweets from Seb Hawkins, the esports team manager, and Jenson Button, Williams ambassador, tried to justify the LMDh car's tactics in qualifying, but haven't communicated yet on the GT side of things, as people are now calling for action from the organizers side.


UPDATE: Williams Esports has released the following statement on the 27th of January to address the described incidents.

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Two botched, laughable "eSport" events in 2023 already?

Solutions, anyone?

LAN party!

Put all the cheaters in one room, and don't use rF2, iRacing, GT7, etc...
 
What's make me laugh the most it's not even a real eSport event, it's open to everyone. It was just the top split of that event. Basically cheatting for nothing. I guess that's also why iRacing wont do live stewarding sadly
 
For some reason most big name eSports teams in sim racing feels like they're made up of mercenaries instead of athletes doing it for the love of the game. I've never seen this issue as much as I do in this specific genre of eSports and it's so strange, especially when they're so adamant on signing really young talent. Leads to stuff like this where you have impressionable kids forced to listen to get results or else they're threatened with termination.

Also the way Williams tries to get outside figures to justify it. Cowardly really from such a big name organization.
 
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Williams ambassador as per his twitter...
Same as Grosjean defending RF2 couple of weeks ago I would say
JB, RG and F1 in general wouldn't tolerate those tactics in a real race so I can only assume that they don't view the Sim race as anything more than a game, and if it's not specifically against the rules then it's ok... he (as far as I know) only said the cheat lap should be deleted as it's against the rules.
 
Regardless, absolutely no reason for the organizer not to disqualify such behavior after the fact and mete out appropriate penalties--it's not like it wasn't caught on camera--the virtual world sees all.
Then they would have to hand edit the results and the entire focus (some French term? reason de ??) is for everything to be automated. It is the death of iR( sorry, lol, had to add that) ;)
 
It shouldnt for iRacing be hard to find 4-5 people from the community to want to do this.

I could literally provide a team of professionals with simracing specific experience regarding stewarding at any moment. We've even done live stewarding in Gran Turismo lobbies, which is FAR from being the ideal platform to do that.

One thing I'd hate though is for them to pick random people who never did this and exploit them for free.
 
JB, RG and F1 in general wouldn't tolerate those tactics in a real race so I can only assume that they don't view the Sim race as anything more than a game, and if it's not specifically against the rules then it's ok... he (as far as I know) only said the cheat lap should be deleted as it's against the rules.
Romain Grosjean literally has a simracing business and has participated in events himself. It's fair to assume he takes it more seriously as just it being just games. And honestly I think he's a nice chap in general, so I think that rf2 take was either contractually forced or a brain fart.
 
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When my son was that age he was already competing in high school sports, and was a semi-pro gamer.

At that age he was already taught that his own ethics were on display when he competed, and his actions were going to be a reflection upon him, no matter what others were doing.

He was also taught that there will always be consequences for his actions and he had to accept those consequences.

That kid's own actions led to the reactions. Why should he not be held accountable? As far as half the internet piling on? You wanna play in that pool and act in that manner, you gotta be prepared to be called out by half the internet. If you don't want that, then act in a manner that does not invite it.
I didnt say they should not be held accountable, I said they should. Social media has a clear and negative impact on far too many people, especially teenagers and I wouldnt want my son or any ones have a high level of abuse thrown at them on social media platforms.

Thats all I am saying. I don't know who made he decision, if it was him or if he was pressured in to it. Maybe it was his idea. Repercussions should happen from the esport level whatever that is. Social media I don't believe is ever a good way to shame and harass on mass young people. If your argument is my son wouldn't get the treatment because he wouldnt do it so this guy should then I disagree.
 
Romain Grosjean literally has a simracing business and has participated in events himself. It's fair to assume he takes it more seriously as just it being just games. And honestly I think he's a nice chap in general, so I think that rf2 take was either contractually forced or a brain fart.
I wouldn't blame Grosjean for what he said tbh. I see those technical issues like discos that simply can happen when you play games over the interwebz similar to unexpected technical issues in real racing. In both cases there is no hundred percent chance that you won't face any of them. Tbh, I would like to see a system for mechanical failures like in AMS2 integrated in all sims, but especialy for esport purposes this won't happen anytime soon.
 
I wouldn't blame Grosjean for what he said tbh. I see those technical issues like discos that simply can happen when you play games over the interwebz similar to unexpected technical issues in real racing. In both cases there is no hundred percent chance that you won't face any of them. Tbh, I would like to see a system for mechanical failures like in AMS2 integrated in all sims, but especialy for esport purposes this won't happen anytime soon.
Nah, RG's take was stupid. Server side issues can't be compared to car side issues IRL. If the disconnect happens on the participant's side, then yeah you could compare it to a mechanical failure. Here, it was more as if a promoter didn't hire any security at their race and let a bunch of angry mobsters vandalize some of the cars during their pit stops. It was the organizer not doing its job properly.
 
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Controversial yes, and it's talked about....but it's all advertising and keeps them in the news;)
 
A professional E-sports time like Williams cheating like this is very bad for sim racing. After the total "clownshow" that was the virtual Le Mans, now this in the second big simrace event this year. Williams sets a very bad example for racers and simracers, anything goes, as long as it is for the win. The tactics Williams used in the GT3 class should get them banned for a long time.
 
Romain Grosjean literally has a simracing business and has participated in events himself. It's fair to assume he takes it more seriously as just it being just games. And honestly I think he's a nice chap in general, so I think that rf2 take was either contractually forced or a brain fart.
RF2 pays him as testimonial for the sim. He is in several ads/videos. It's as simple as that.
 
Unpopular opinion: competitive sports was always about exploiting grey zones. Everywhere: cycling, autosports, athletics - doping or technical - everything.

In short: the sky is blue.
 
Ehh, yes but this wasn't a grey zone, it was a black zone - it got him banned. For some stupid reason, they didn't also DQ him from the actual race, which is the really bizarre part of it.
Yes, he was banned from further events. But rather his lap should have been disallowed and they should have started at the back. The rest of the shenagins should also have resulted in immediate penalties. The automated system in iR didn't allow for any of that.
Race Control, something the Virtual series on that old unsophisticated rF2 platform has had from the beginning, should have given the stopped car about 30 seconds to get moving and maintain a suitable race pace. Failure would have resulted in a black flag and quick removal. Same for the blocking. 1 warning IN REAL TIME then flag them out of the event. Can't be done with automation....at least not yet.
 
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