GTR Is Set For A Revival

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For those who have been around sim racing since the early 2000’s, the GTR series of titles are ones which are firmly etched on the brain.

For many, they are the titles that launch them into the world of sim racing in the first place. From GTR and GTR 2 through to GTR Evolution, the titles stood for realism and brought the world of FIA GT racing into our homes.

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For the last several years, there have been rumours, speculation and the occasional screenshot regarding a proposed GTR 3. However, these have been few and far between and have since dwindled into the background once more.

Today, an announcement has appeared which is completely out of the blue. @Ian Bell once head of Slightly Mad Studios and part of the original GTR development team, tweeted the news that he is working on a new title; GTR Revival.

Not only that, there are several other members of the original development team involved too including; Stephen Viljoen, Andy Garton, Stephen Baysted, Henrik Roos, Johan Roos and Vik Klomiets.

As far as the sim itself is concerned, there are no specific details just yet, but Ian Bell has promised that it will be a hardcore, no compromise title.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1572611186130096131

Will this be the GTR sequel that we have all been waiting for? Share your thoughts with us below as we await more information on GTR Revival.

(This is a developing story, more soon)

Updates​

  • RaceDepartment asked Johan Roos (ex-Simbin) for a quote if the above tweet is true and he replied: "Well I do not deny it but cannot comment any further than Ian already has written and that it sounds like one hell of a game by one hell of a crew".
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Phil Rose
A passionate sim racer with over 20 years of virtual and real world motorsport experience, I am the owner and lead content creator at Sim Racing Bible as well as a writer here at RaceDepartment. I love all forms of motorsport, especially historic motorsport, but when it comes to sim racing, I will drive anything!

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ChaosZeroJK
I remember the good old days of PRC, when Oggy was still an indipendent "journalist" and was free to meme every single developer out there into oblivion, including Mr. Bell's business ventures, and we all went there to have a laugh and a good time. Until he stopped doing that because Bell sponsored him for a season in some Canadian series that ran Late Models (was it ACT? Or maybe something else less known than that), bought him a top of the line (for the time) gaming PC and gave him a job as QA for pC3. Up until he got involved in the deranged insanity that was Jason Jacoby, which was unironically good for everybody (less so for Oggy, I suppose) because that guy deserved to be thrown in prison for what he said and did.

This GTR Revival thing should be released on the MadBox, that would be peak memeing.
 
Johnr777
dwightyone said:
I'm not sure about that. Sellings mod cars on a different platform is one thing but another to share the platform itself. When it came push to shove it didn't happen and I suspect that was of S397's choosing. Of course I don't know for sure, but what is said in public and then in the boardroom are two different things much of the time.
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What?

Game engines are always for sale. Its not a matter of sharing.

If SMS wasnt around to sell the madness engine to Reiza, then they could have gone to Unreal, Unity, KT...
 
Johnr777
Vadara said:
Physics are all AC fanboys have at this point given that it has awful AI and lacks plenty of features to properly simulate a motorsports race so it's not good online either!

AC is a one trick pony (and also had completely busted aero physics for like three years that no one noticed until Pretend Race Cars brought it up).
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6000 fanboys right now enjoying the "awful" game

Not so many enjoying the "proper simulators"

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Majuh said:
Got any source for these claims?
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Strange - why would Reiza buy into something that is so broken. Really strange that.
Johnr777 said:
What?

Game engines are always for sale. Its not a matter of sharing.

If SMS wasnt around to sell the madness engine to Reiza, then they could have gone to Unreal, Unity, KT...
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Oh gawd - Johnr777 my AC idol is on my case.... I concede I concede :D

My thoughts exactly and I agree with the reply you made to Majuh. Not sure whether SMS sold the engine to Reiza at normal cost - think they had a deal with SMS that was so good it couldn't be turned down for a small studio like Reiza. Apparently a lot of goodwill was shown to Reiza by SMS - that's my understanding of it.
 
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I'd have preferered GTR Infinite, GTR Eternal, GTR Generations or GTR: Origins...
 
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dwightyone said:
Strange - why would Reiza buy into something that is so broken. Really strange that.

Oh gawd - Johnr777 my AC idol is on my case.... I concede I concede :D

My thoughts exactly and I agree with the reply you made to Majuh. Not sure whether SMS sold the engine to Reiza at normal cost - think they had a deal with SMS that was so good it couldn't be turned down for a small studio like Reiza. Apparently a lot of goodwill was shown to Reiza by SMS - that's my understanding of it.
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All healthy discussions :D

I'm betting on price being the biggest factor on their decision. Being able to use pre-existing assets (if licensed) another good plus too
 
MoerasGrizzly
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I mean, I have been hearing about sequels to GTR2 since GTR2 has been released. So far, they haven't materialized.
 
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Johnr777 said:
Good argument, but neither you are able to verify their claims of accuracy. It’s all advertising.
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Yeah, that's true, but unless there's any proof I'm believing suspension geometry data is accurate for all sims (maybe excluding masses and inertias, that might have to be assumed since there's most likely no data about them), the difficult point are tires and aero, for wich you may have data in some "ideal" conditions and racing telemetries for some different situations, but you'll always have to make some assumptions that will most likely vary from sim to sim.

From previous posts it seems like some SMS code was bugged, and I believe that, but as long as they tuned parameters to "work around" the issues, you have no way to compare the accuracy to another sim using a different engine that may or may not simulate the things that the broken code should do, and if it doesn't simulate it, well, we are back to adjusting parameters to work around the limitation as SMS did (and the much loved AC needed lots of modders work to enhance the physics engine and add more parameters to it).

EDIT: to make an example: Madness engine has a very complex tire temperature simulation, including heat exchange with brakes, rims and the air inside the tire + 3 tire "layers" ("flash", surface, core). No other sim does that, so they'll have to "fake" the heating parameters to get an accurate behaviour based on a single temperature layer, this might still produce a great car behaviour, but I can guaranteee that doing a long race in pCars2/AMS2 needs much more attention to tire temperatures and brake ducts setup than I ever needed in rf2/ACC. If you gat sideways in a GT3 race in pCars you'll have to cool down the tires before going back to your pace.

Another thing that was often blamed was the unpredictable handling in pCars. With 1000+ hours on it, I can say that it's really predictable, you just have to move your braking zone over the race because the track rubbers, but maybe one corner gets some shadow and you have to reduce your speed accordingly (track temperature makes a big difference in handling, you can try that on AMS2 too: just try the same race in same temperature/conditions with overcast or clear weather and see how the grip varies). This effect seems absent or quite reduced in any other sim.
 
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The only thing that gives me pause in this is that Mr Bell always claims "hardcore balls to the walls" but often fails to deliver.
 
delpinsky
Let's see. Any new simracing title is welcome! It doesn't cost us anything, just waiting and seeing how it looks like and how it handles.
For me is always a YES. Then, if it sucks... it's their problem because people won't buy the sim/game.
 
Cote Dazur
9 pages (and going strong) on a racing game that may or may not even ever be published, on which we have almost zero information, from a dev most here say they do not like who he is and what he does, quite amazing if you ask me.
All it took was 3 letters in the thread title.
 
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Arr, Ian Bell, Prepare to to be banned from the official GTR Revival forum after your first negative comment.
 
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