RTX 4XXX Thread

[Deleted member 197115]

For example if you ask it for the best way to hide money to drop your taxes, it will basically refuse. But if you ask what types of hiding money should not try on your taxes, it suddenly loosens up and gives you a list.

Speaking of taxes, almost fell off the chair when read this.

IRS says income from stolen goods and illegal activities must be reported on taxes

The Internal Revenue Service says that income from stolen goods or other illegal activities must be reported when Americans file their taxes.

www.foxnews.com

 

[RCHeliguy]

Ok

Speaking of taxes, almost fell off the chair when read this.

Legally that gives more granularity to what they can throw at you.

This gives them nore options when charging a fencing operation vs. a thief.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

Technically whoever wrote this either a moron or AI.

 

[RCHeliguy]

Technically whoever wrote this either a moron or AI.

Why?

Think about it this way.

A fencing operation can cover a sale of stolen goods with sales receipts from other people. Unfortunately there are ways to create a documentation trail that makes it hard to prosecute.

However, If they are buying stolen goods and selling them for a profit and not paying taxes on that, there is a better chance of prosecuting them.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

Did you actually read the article?

"If you steal property, you must report its fair market value in your income in the year you steal it unless you return it to its rightful owner in the same year,"

 

[RCHeliguy]

Did you actually read the article?

And?

You still don't see how despite the fact that you would never expect someone to actually follow that guidance if they are stealing, that it helps build a case and could be useful to a prosecutor?

These are tools.
The results are like the following oldie but goodie.

Al Capone Convicted In 1931 After Boasting, ‘They Can’t Collect Legal Taxes From Illegal Money’​

 

[stigs2cousin]

So Al Capone scalped 4090s?

 

[RCHeliguy]

So Al Capone scalped 4090s?

If he were around today, he would have

 

[RCHeliguy]

 

[RCHeliguy]

GPT-4 was released 10 days ago.

The GPT-4 group I joined a few days back had about 6,000 members. Today there are OVER half a million people following this group.

Every morning I'm reading new announcements of features and capabilities, and new videos are going up highlighting some of the more interesting things.

People are using the AI tools to build more power into these same AI tools in what is starting to look like a feedback loop.

Why do I almost feel like we will look back and say SkyNet was put online March 14, 2023 ?

Change is scary and it is easy to poke fun at anything new and highly disruptive and that is about to change the world in ways we can't even predict yet.

If you watch this don't gloss over the beginning where he shows how he trained GPT-4 to generate the very verbose descriptions to create some amazing images in MidJourney V5. Those are some very complex instructions including things like the camera lens and aperture.

 

[Neilski]

Why do I almost feel like we will look back and say SkyNet was put online March 14, 2023 ?

Same thought crossed my mind...

 

[Deleted member 197115]

Do we need separate thread for AI, last few pages nothing related to the thread subj.

 

[BernL]

BUT WILL IT BE ABLE TO MOD????? Could GPT4 create a new car for say RF2.

 

[RCHeliguy]

 

[James Skinner]

Hi all, been lurking on this thread for a while as been wanting to upgrade my 6900xt for better VR performance. Can anyone tell me though whether it's actually worth spending several hundred more £ on a 'better' AIB card? For instance there's a Gainward Phantom for £1549 here in the UK, vs a MSI Gaming X Trio for £1748, or at the higher end a Suprim X for £1899, all have solid reviews, but can anyone suggest I will be getting better real world performance for the extra £? For the record I'm not super bothered about noise as running a wind sim which will drown out anything (rig only used for sim), and heat shouldn't be too much of a problem as case is very cooling focused. Are there any other things I should consider? (Aside from the fact they are still ridiculously expensive!)

 

[RCHeliguy]

From everything I've seen there is not much of any real difference in performance between the various 4090 cards.

I've found driving an Aero that for any game where the frame rate is good, the GPU is not running at 100% and there is some headroom.

To get extremely marginal increases in processing from a 4090 requires almost exponentially more power and generally just doesn't seem worth it.

I have an ASUS TUF OC and I have my card set to max out at about 103%, but it never reaches that.

 

[BillyBobSenna]

Hi all, been lurking on this thread for a while as been wanting to upgrade my 6900xt for better VR performance. Can anyone tell me though whether it's actually worth spending several hundred more £ on a 'better' AIB card? For instance there's a Gainward Phantom for £1549 here in the UK, vs a MSI Gaming X Trio for £1748, or at the higher end a Suprim X for £1899, all have solid reviews, but can anyone suggest I will be getting better real world performance for the extra £? For the record I'm not super bothered about noise as running a wind sim which will drown out anything (rig only used for sim), and heat shouldn't be too much of a problem as case is very cooling focused. Are there any other things I should consider? (Aside from the fact they are still ridiculously expensive!)

It’s mainly an appearance thing. You will not be GPU limited with any of the cards.

 

[Neilski]

Yeah, I may miss the boat, but the only cards I'm seeing at RRP-ish levels are the insanely expensive ones. The "sane" cards like the 3060 Ti are not so cheap but the prices have kinda flatlined so maybe this is indeed as good as it's gonna get, in which case I'll live with what I've got until it dies. (3060 Ti RRP in the UK seems to be £369, but good luck finding one for less than £480.)

I've been keeping an eye on my "maybe" card - the 3060 Ti - since early July when this thread was young. I used a supplier in the UK (ebuyer.com) as a benchmark for availability and pricing.
The story:
At first, the cheapest cards were hovering around £480 and most of the cards on offer were well over £500. There also weren't too many models in stock most of the time (maybe 6 or so on a good day).
The pricing dropped in fits and starts over the next 6-8 weeks, and by September a bunch of cards were normally available for well under £440, with the cheapest in the £410-420 region (for a few days, one card was actually £399ish). It was rare to see fewer than 8 models in stock at less than £480.
In the last few days I've seen stock drying up and today they have only 3 cards for under £500, going for £414, £470, £483... This could reflect a surge in demand, but I think not - much more likely that the supply has dried up, eh?
One might say I've missed the boat but I'm entirely chilled about this, cos I wasn't too keen on paying more than around £350 (aka a smidgin under the RRP, ROFL!) and yeah that's apparently never gonna happen.
I'll watch the 4k release & testing with some level of interest but will have an eye on second-hand 3060 Ti cards several months from now - unless the mythical 4050 has a good price/performance turnout.

Well, with the thread now around 10 months old, I find that I'm getting an itchy trigger finger, since a GTX 970 is not quite up to snuff in 2023.
In the last month or so, the 3060 Ti supply in the UK has finally dipped again below £400 (plenty of them available on Ebuyer at <= £399.99 for example), but with the passage of so much time I've become less sure that I want to upgrade to an 8 GB card ... (Also the damn thing still hasn't hit my notional target price of £350, but I guess I could stretch a point with inflation.)
This is making me consider (somewhat to my horror!) the 4070, despite it costing at least double what I'd regard as an acceptable price for a GPU (They start right now at £565 from the same vendor.)
It does have an even better power-consumption/fps and fps/price ratios than the 3060 Ti, even neglecting the DLSS3 & FG stuff which I won't trust to be useful until/unless I see it with my own eyes (nervous about artefacts having seen some nasties in reviews).
Throw in the sensible 8-pin power connector on many AIB cards, a sensible physical size, and it's basically just all great, bar the unlovely price.
In recent weeks I had pretty much ruled out any of the other 40 series cards being an option since the 4060/4050 were expected to have only 8 GB, but the bizarre news in the last 24 hours is that one of the 4060s will have 16 GB (wtf).

 

[Deleted member 197115]

Nvidia Set To Announce RTX 4060 Ti With More VRAM Than RTX 4070 - Report​

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/s...lebrate-across-the-spider-verse/1100-6513942/

 

[RasmusP]

In recent weeks I had pretty much ruled out any of the other 40 series cards being an option since the 4060/4050 were expected to have only 8 GB, but the bizarre news in the last 24 hours is that one of the 4060s will have 16 GB (wtf).

There is a 3060 with 12GB too. But it doesn't have the performance that you'd need the amount of vram.
The 12GB of the 4070 will be plenty enough if you don't plan on playing modern sims in triple 1440p at 30 fps.

despite it costing at least double what I'd regard as an acceptable price for a GPU

Yeah after 3 years it doesn't seem to change anytime soon for cards that have a somewhat feasible performance.
So I guess you'll have to decide whether or not to buy a GPU within the next 5 years or not, lol

It does have an even better power-consumption/fps and fps/price ratios than the 3060 Ti, even neglecting the DLSS3 & FG stuff which I won't trust to be useful until/unless I see it with my own eyes (nervous about artefacts having seen some nasties in reviews).

DLSS3 with FG is quite nice! A good friend got a 4070 ti and let me say it like this:
Allowing to use higher AA settings like DLDSR at the higher step while using FG looks way better than using worse AA without FG.

But we only tested Flight Simulator, where you don't really have fast paced inputs