Modern and Classic Monza Released for Automobilista 2 in Latest Update

R.Man · Oct 4, 2021

wolftree said:
There are professional racing drivers who have spoken positively of AMS2, for example Stock Car Brasil driver Gabriel Casagrande, but because it's in Portuguese it doesn't get widely disseminated.

Also no one was attacking ACC, just the usual ACC fans showing up with their comparison comments like in every long-form AMS2 thread. We get it, you really like ACC. Good for you. Now let people enjoy AMS2 if they want to.

And AMS2 being "bouncy" with "sliding physics" or "poor sound/FFB" is entirely your own opinion, I certainly don't suffer from these problems. Out of all the sims I play regularly, the two closest in handling feel right now are... AMS2 and rF2. R3E and AC are different mainly because of the tyre model and how it leads to a more muted FFB feel, but the same car will still feel similar across all these sims provided that it's not some hack job mod. The general driving approach is pretty much the same in all of them, I don't really need to think too much about adjusting to any particular one and can just jump in and go. That tells me they are all more or less "correct" (yet still far away from driving a real race car), and these endless sim-wars are just squabbling over opinions and feelings, not facts.

There are professional drivers that have spoken positively abour Forza etc. It depends of the context. Anyway for an official stock car brazil game it should do more noise than that. The AC stock cars mods are even more used for lagues....Why so shy? This should be natural. If something is groundbreaking , people should not hesitate to raise their voices. It's a natural phenomena. Back to Gt3 ,If in every thread AMS2 fans are mentioning ACC , why wouldn't AMS2 prove its value in the simplest way? Gt3 professional drivers recognition? Like ACC for GT3, RRRE for WTCR, DTM, RF2 for FE etc etc. Personnally I like every sim, and I enjoy AMS2 but with only few cars mostly open wheels , I'm just trying to warn us to not celebrate too early. You say you don't have the bouncing and sliding issues, for example I've tested the Mc Laren Gt3 on Kyalami yesterday , it was a sliding party, didn't have such problem at all. Other people say they have it you not. It means that the sim is not consistent accross all devices which is a worst situation. It's causing this endless sim-war which is mainly AMS2 related. The other sim can cohabitate pretty smoothly.

Wreckoning · Oct 4, 2021

I don’t get the point in comparing any of them, they are all just an interpretation of what it’s like to drive these cars.

Most peoples perfect “Sim” would probably have elements of a bunch of them. I like RF2, Raceroom and AMS2 but all of them have problems in different areas. I don’t really get on with ACC but who cares, doesn’t stop the people who like it from enjoying it.

gunner25 · Oct 4, 2021

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DC WOLF · Oct 4, 2021

PickABetterUsername01 said:
Did you understand what I'm talking about? The green stuff is still there in your picture as well.

Also, why are the lap times in AMS2 so damn fast compared to other games? Without even trying I did 45.4 with the 720s, what the hell? The top time is 44.0! It's the same for Spa, I don't know what's going on with this game.

i did. What you don't get is how to interpret it the right way.
In my example you can see, that on the left side there is gravel and not tarmac. And the dirt is growing slowly over the green part. In your example we see a fresh cleaned lane and the photo is very smooth , so it looks like tarmac. But thats wrong.
All Reiza did, was attaching a bit more gravel over the green. So not wrong, just a bit more used.
Seems the track crew was a bit lazy or there was a general strike , as often in Italy, and nobody cared to clean this part of the track

maranello78 · Oct 4, 2021

unsung33 said:
the BMW still needs more work before it can be released. Sorry that monza isnt your cup of tea (and theres nothing wrong with that) but just try to be patient, good things come to those who wait

I read it could be a paid dlc when someone wrote "optional update" is true? And when will be released "Petrobras de Marcas "? i really love that old cars when i played that free game from Reiza, with cars like Ford Focus, Chevy Cruze, Lancer, Megane and Honda

tr1v1um · Oct 4, 2021

R.Man said:
The ACC verse and chorus again and again...

I'm a simple man, i've never been in any race car...so I need some external opinions to consolidate my own opinion. So for those who use to say ACC physic is bad mostly AMS2 fans , i would like them to share here some real race drivers feedbacks or reviews gt3 or gt4 or any other class that is giving realism credits to AMS2 gt3 or any other cars . I say that because ACC has lot of non sponsored real driver "realism" praises here and there and they started to do it around 1 year after the sim release. AMS2 is now 1.5 years old , I see no such praise yet. In general all sim got their realism validation AC,RF2,RRRE ....AMS2 is the only one that didn't get any....if there was any, i'm pretty sure that AMS2 fans would flood the Internet with it...

What I see is that AMS2 fans have tendency to compare Kunos with Reiza and hope that AMS2 will have similar fate as ACC. Reiza is very talented and succesful but It's like comparing gold to bronze like everything else in real life. Both studios started small but Kunos guys are "genetically" more experienced, definitively more skilled in term of art (3d, sound,graphic deisgn,etc), marketing like copywriting and content pricing (do not forget that the ACC release system was very innovative), licensing and big car brands relations, communication, community management and the most important one , programming as unlike Reiza which is a genius for "modding" other's engines and assets in the same class as Ilja Jusopov who is modding AC (both are struggling on improving more fundamental aspects of the engine for example physic?) , those Kunos guys are at an another level, they are technology provider and use to create themself their own innovative game engine. It's natural talent (few update but working and refined product) vs talent but mainly hard work (lot of updates to get a basically working product)

ACC has already found it's path to glory in a way even if you talk about it negatively, in some way it 's converted to an advertisement for it because it has got the magic thing that make people buy it. Instead of attacking ACC, AMS2 guys should focus on helping Reiza to improve AMS2 in a way where it gets some more universal recognition as a full sim. I don't mean an extreme 100% recognition but just fullfiling the basic standard requirements , something above 60% may be. The rest is up to Reiza. Those constant forum,youtube..clashes are a barometer for this need of universal recognition.

In 2021 The only logic way for sim racers that don't have access to most of the real versions of the cars to leverage sim titles is to compare sim between them. Hoping that each studio has made a fair amount of research during the content creation process. So if with the same car/track combo, AMS2 is the only one that has a bouncy and sliding physic or poor sound or poor ffb etc... it may have a problem. It's simple as that.

I am not sure if your analogy with ACC being on it's path to glory really makes that much sense. I agree with you that it is the best Kunos product so far, but how can it be that their "inferior" product has many more players and is alot more successfull overall? Is it really down to engineering and talent of the developer? As I see it Kunos is having the same issue with ACC that ISI faced with rF2.

ACCs big selling point is that it has alot of GT3 cars in very high detail, that it has an official lisence and a great selection of tracks, but only if you own the DLCs. And still, AC is more successfull due to all the modding, the drift scene and the Nords tourist servers and all of the stuff that surrounds the base game. I for one own most of the current sims or have atleast driven them at some point. I simply wonder how many more GT3 cars do we need? I am a big rF2 fan, but there comes a point when I say to myself: do I really need 14 GT3 cars with a 15 th allready being on the horizon and modders who have added like atleast 5 other GT3 cars allready? It's insane if your really think about it as those cars are BOPed to death and most people never get around to trying, let alone mastering all of them. I mean, can you really judge the realism of a sim that has how many tire compunds (something like 6?) compared to a vastly different product? A sim like rF2 might not have the best GT3 cars but it might be better at simulating different kinds of cars and the same applies for AMS2. If their only goal was to simulate GT3 and GT4 cars, you might have a valid point.

Anyway, I haven't driven ASM2 for quite a while now but something that I will allways give Reiza credit for is their taste for an attractive content selection. AMS1 was a perfect example for this and ASM2 is no different. They simply know that you need the right playgrounds for the historic toys. And it doesn't matter where the car or track models are coming from as long as the quality is good. A good track is a good track and a nice car is a nice car. And I don't want to know how many of the assets in ACC were recycled from AC.

kkdrummer · Oct 4, 2021

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F_B · Oct 4, 2021

Holy shiat…
After reading through all these comments I once again realize what a bunch of miserable individuals can be found in the niché that is simracing. So much prejudices, hatred, tribalism etc… Sad world.

I wonder what’s the point of behaving this way?Why do some people have to talk everything down? It boggles my mind.

Not everything is perfect in AMS2 however which sim can claim that?

Johnr777 · Oct 4, 2021

F_B said:
Holy shiat…
After reading through all these comments I once again realize what a bunch of miserable individuals can be found in the niché that is simracing. So much prejudices, hatred, tribalism etc… Sad world.

I wonder what’s the point of behaving this way?Why do some people have to talk everything down? It boggles my mind.

Not everything is perfect in AMS2 however which sim can claim that?

The worst part is that most of these comments come from people that don't even own the game, but feel entitled to opinionate on something they have no clue about.

Badwheels · Oct 4, 2021

Wow, people here are making me feel so much better about myself and my driving ability. I have AMS2, ACC, AC, F1 2019-20,RF2 and PC2. I must be the greatest driver in the world because I just drive them all, with their individual quirks, and have a great time in them all.

Kryztov · Oct 4, 2021

Badwheels said:
Wow, people here are making me feel so much better about myself and my driving ability. I have AMS2, ACC, AC, F1 2019-20,RF2 and PC2. I must be the greatest driver in the world because I just drive them all, with their individual quirks, and have a great time in them all.

Exactly! For me it's just depending on what kinda mood I'm in

PickABetterUsername01 · Oct 4, 2021

DC WOLF said:
i did. What you don't get is how to interpret it the right way.
In my example you can see, that on the left side there is gravel and not tarmac. And the dirt is growing slowly over the green part. In your example we see a fresh cleaned lane and the photo is very smooth , so it looks like tarmac. But thats wrong.
All Reiza did, was attaching a bit more gravel over the green. So not wrong, just a bit more used.
Seems the track crew was a bit lazy or there was a general strike , as often in Italy, and nobody cared to clean this part of the track

In your picture it just shows some gravel over the green part which means some cars went wide and spread gravel over it. But going over that green part with gravel on it isn't the same thing as going totally into the gravel. In AMS2 it's just pure gravel there. So yes AMS2 is lacking the green part.

Cars in this game are also not balanced in their own category. For example, the GT1's are great, but my god the Porsche is so much better than the rest, when you play online you just cannot use the Mclaren or Merc..

Spinfluencer · Oct 4, 2021

Kryztov said:
Exactly! For me it's just depending on what kinda mood I'm in

I seem to go through phases of having a current favorite Sim. For a while it was AMS2, then it was ACC, now I'm back in iRacing, but because of the new content I'll probably jump back to AMS2. I enjoy them all, and don't have a strong opinion of any of them that would lead me to getting overly emotional or criticising anyone else's sim of choice. They're just games after all

Deleted member 617659 · Oct 4, 2021

I don't know how good/bad are AMS2 physics as a sim. But as a game, it's basically for hotlapping so far. Everytime I receive an update, I receive it with renewed hopes, I taste it for a few days in the multiplayer but only 10-12 players and only 2-3 populated servers. Shame, but it's not fun enough for me.

Spinfluencer · Oct 4, 2021

Actually, the one criticism I have about AMS2 is that when I end up on the grass, I sometimes find it hard to make my way back to the track even driving really slowly, the car sometimes just seems to rotate around it's centre for seemingly no reason. Having said that, it might be more down to my lousy driving than the physics engine.

MoerasGrizzly · Oct 4, 2021

PickABetterUsername01 said:
Cars in this game are also not balanced in their own category. For example, the GT1's are great, but my god the Porsche is so much better than the rest, when you play online you just cannot use the Mclaren or Merc..

That's not a bug, that's a feature. Balance of Power as used in modern GT racing wasn't a thing back in the 90s. Reiza decided to represent the cars as they were, without restrictions. The 911 GT1's approach to bending the rules killed the entire class in the end.

The other way around is applied in Raceroom Racing Experience in the Touring Classics catagory: The real life Group A Nissan Skyline dominated touring car racing at its time, so Sector3 instead snuck the less powerful Group N version in there (which, notably, can still keep pace with the group A cars of other brands!). In other classes, they use similar methods to real-life BoP standards: power restrictions and ballast weight.

I'm personally in favour of Sector 3's approach, as BoP-ed classic cars still maintain a lot of their fun relative characteristics (touring classics has a 4wd car, a turbo-equipped car with traction control, some naturally aspirated beasts of various weights....) but I know plenty people who would like to race the cars 'as they were' without modern sensibilities. There's still a way to balance that: Just stick the fast folks in the McLaren's

Incidentally, did you know that the SRO motorsport group organized both the old GT1 class and the current GT3 regulations? I literally just found it when doing some googling for this post.

PickABetterUsername01 · Oct 4, 2021

MoerasGrizzly said:
That's not a bug, that's a feature. Balance of Power as used in modern GT racing wasn't a thing back in the 90s. Reiza decided to represent the cars as they were, without restrictions. The 911 GT1's approach to bending the rules killed the entire class in the end.

The other way around is applied in Raceroom Racing Experience in the Touring Classics catagory: The real life Group A Nissan Skyline dominated touring car racing at its time, so Sector3 instead snuck the less powerful Group N version in there (which, notably, can still keep pace with the group A cars of other brands!). In other classes, they use similar methods to real-life BoP standards: power restrictions and ballast weight.

I'm personally in favour of Sector 3's approach, as BoP-ed classic cars still maintain a lot of their fun relative characteristics (touring classics has a 4wd car, a turbo-equipped car with traction control, some naturally aspirated beasts of various weights....) but I know plenty people who would like to race the cars 'as they were' without modern sensibilities. There's still a way to balance that: Just stick the fast folks in the McLaren's

Incidentally, did you know that the SRO motorsport group organized both the old GT1 class and the current GT3 regulations? I literally just found it when doing some googling for this post.

Yea, while it's nice to have the cars as they were, it kills any form of online competition. The difference between the Porsche and the other GT1's is HUGE.

Lennart Groessl · Oct 4, 2021

Badwheels said:
Studying history and stuck in history are 2 different things. The tracks now reflect the changes in the cars. That is why they don't race on the banking at Monza. Let it go, those tracks had their day. Everyone talks about the good old days. What good old days? I was here, where were that at ?

And just because of that they should stop pumping out historic tracks ? lol

Historic content is the most important imo because it lets people that weren't around then enjoy the old days

thevoidone · Oct 4, 2021

Cool... Every update I come back to test if the game is ok to me. I remember the orientation that the last content is ever not his best version, right? Ok, better to choose an old combo to test this time. Choose a Lotus vintage and a Goiânia oval layout., 20 laps, no rain, AI 95... a basic single race to see what is going on. I will not talk about functionalities I think are missing, its a constant evolution project, right? Will look only for my driving experience this time. 5, maybe 10 minutes was enough. Impossible to have a race due to AI strange behaviour, breaking in some places that makes no sense. Had some crashs, cursed for my wasted time and that is it. I will not spend my little gamming time searching for a pearl combo where I can have a basic race. I would happily search for a blast combo if every try was at least a functional race but it's not what is happening here by my side. I prefer to come back next month until the moment I will just let it go. Would be not fair that I post my discontent on communities about other games I buy that I don't have a good experience, and I didn't post it about AMS2 just because I like Reiza (and I really appreciate their work). Respectfully, maybe the beta label should be maintained for about 2 years or so. Maybe there is a confusion about long term project and a not completely ready to be used project. Maybe it's only my confusion and it's ok, I can be wrong. Tha fact is, when I joined the boat, I was not expecting to post comments like this more than one year after launch. Well... it's not the first game it happens and probably will not be the last. Just sharing some thoughts. And dudes, it's a game, lets be polite.

Cheers

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ArnieX78 · Oct 4, 2021

Well, I don't want to get involved in the eternal discussions, but what I can say as a long-time simracer (no experience with a real GT3 car, but I have already competed in a few races with race go-karts in real life and own a Ford Focus RS and I've been on a real race track but which makes me absolutely no professional to make judgements here, it would be ridiculous to compare such things). What I can say from my feeling is that the cars in ACC feel heavy and you can't really get any feedback on what the wheels are actually doing. I've spent hours in iRacing, AC, RF2, ACC, AMS, AMS 2..., and the only SIM where I can't get consistent times is ACC. You can say I can't drive, that may be, but how can it be that I can drive the Nurnburgring Nordschleife in iRacing or even in AMS2 but "can barely manage to get consistent times together in Monza" in ACC. This eternal "turning in too late" or reacting or understeering at the entrance to the corner (or in the middle) is something I only have in ACC. Used Fanatec equipment (steering wheel and pedals) and tried all possible settings. "The cars feel about the same as the trucks from AMS2". Like I said may be that is so correct and I don't want to get into the discussion what is better or worse. Everyone has to decide for themselves, but the vehicles in ACC feel "numb" compared to AMS2 or iRacing or RF2. I don't know if you know what I mean but when I go through a corner and make a mistake I know, ok that felt slow (AMS2 or iRacing) but in ACC I can only tell from the times, I don't have a feeling for it. In ACC you can't adjust the race line either, you either fly off or you're seconds too slow, but like I said maybe I just can't drive or haven't practised enough. But there you see again that everyone has a different feeling or approach to "realism", mine is just so that does not mean that I do not like ACC, is just my feeling and maybe the "inertia" or the weight of a GT3 car should be simulated, but it is often no fun! And AMS2 has become continuously better!
Cheers!

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