Have Your Say - What is Your SECOND Favourite GT3 Racing Sim

Kveilkur said:

ACC is the missionary position of sims.

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So just as God intended and with a rabid fanbase? Doesn't that go for every sim?

I guess rFactor2. If i would play something else than ... in this case.

Can't seem to get used to ACC, underperforming engine, not the best FFB (best sound!). My top 5
- iRacing
- Raceroom (since they have more ranked servers, less people per race are available, so therefor I moved to iRacing, old number 1)
- AMS2 (As soon as AMS2 gets ranked multiplayer and scheduled online racing, maybe this could be my number 1)
- rFactor 2 (I hope the new scheduled servers will be a succes)
- ACC

AlexP.nl said:

Second best is RaceRoom.
Automobilista 2 is on it's way to become a winner
Is there any news on SimBins GT3 game??

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I though the GTR3 have already been dead for some while? After these news there haven't been nothing new i think...


And fife months after that, they closed facebook twitter and instagram pages.

I'd never cheat on ACC with another sim.

ACC in 1st month early access was best all time GT3 experience, just perhaps tiny bit on difficult side. In rain it felt almost perfect. And it didn't have had rain lines thing going on yet, which although they added later, they still didn't have had balls to make it properly realistic.

ACC in 1st EA release drove very similar to this:

Long gone, but still takes 1st place of GT3 simulation ever.

Then second comes rF2 with it's old ISI Camaro. And it might come as first once S397 updates GT3 cars. And they also has a capacity to do improvements for rain physics.

I remember also seeing Niels Heusinkveld vids driving his personal GT3 physics in AMS, visually it looked like it might be something great, but it is of course personal. But it shows that "greatest sim" is sensitive to tiniest edits in small text files, even if one sim specializes entirely on GT3 and has tons of resources spent on developing wide range of features and at great depth.

mantasisg said:

ACC in 1st month early access was best all time GT3 experience, just perhaps tiny bit on difficult side. In rain it felt almost perfect. And it didn't have had rain lines thing going on yet, which although they added later, they still didn't have had balls to make it properly realistic.

ACC in 1st EA release drove very similar to this:

But it is long gone, but it takes 1st place of GT3 simulation ever.

Then second comes rF2 with it's old ISI Camaro. And it might come as first once S397 updates GT3 cars. And they also has a capacity to do improvements for rain physics.

I remember also seeing Niels Heusinkveld vids driving his personal GT3 physics in AMS, visually it looked like it might be something great, but it is of course personal. But it shows that "greatest sim" is sensitive to tiniest edits in small text files, even if one sim specializes entirely on GT3 and has tons of resources spent on developing wide range of features and at great depth.

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Were the initial tires not absolutely undrivable Pacejka input stuff? Not sure how that'd be preferable.

Kyuubeey said:

Were the initial tires not absolutely undrivable Pacejka input stuff? Not sure how that'd be preferable.

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Nicki Thiim on how early versions of ACC compared with real life:

wolftree said:

Nicki Thiim on how early versions of ACC compared with real life:

✂️ Nicki Thiim on ACC

15 seconds · Clipped by azarisLP · Original video "Assetto Corsa Competizione 2019 - First Ride Playing With Myself - Live!" by Nicki Thiim

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Yeah, that's what "real data" directly input (well, converted to Pacejka but anyway) usually looks like. Although I am not sure if ACC did that very, very early on but I have the impression they did because I remember hearing about it. They switched back to AC tire model after IIRC.

ACC is fantastic for GT3 racing. AC for racing GT3s on tracks that are not in ACC, like Nordschleife or Road America

Kyuubeey said:

Were the initial tires not absolutely undrivable Pacejka input stuff? Not sure how that'd be preferable.

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IDK, it was intense but it was not only drivable, but also over-drivable. It was scary though and required immense concentration, and more practice to getting confident and consistent than it was usual in AC. Most importantly, IMO it made sense what car did. Although I understand it is valid to argue about transients, if they were possibly too demanding, too sharp, tires spoke too fast, aero fluctuated too hard. The only thing which I am dead serious and certain is that people did not give it enough of chance, including developers themselves. Also it was painful how most that was perceived as FFB thing, a complete refusal of thinking in physics, and no benefit of a doubt when facing different paradigm of perceiving reality of vehicle dynamics. One month - booom its over. A lot of guys probably did not give it more than couple of hours, which would have been bare minimum just to switch to different driving style, develop little bit of "muscle memory" and built slight experience to be able to anticipate, anticipation is actually part of FFB, but nobody talks about it.

wolftree said:

Nicki Thiim on how early versions of ACC compared with real life:

✂️ Nicki Thiim on ACC

15 seconds · Clipped by azarisLP · Original video "Assetto Corsa Competizione 2019 - First Ride Playing With Myself - Live!" by Nicki Thiim

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Nobody says it was perfect. Although iiric Thiim did not try ACC in first release. Not only that, but date of this video also shows it was captured way later when early release phase was already advanced.

Why would you give something a chance if correlation shows it's not at all correct? These aren't mostly feeling or opinion things.

Kyuubeey said:

Why would you give something a chance if correlation shows it's not at all correct? These aren't mostly feeling or opinion things.

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It is great that you don't bias with feeling and opinion. But correlation to what ? I wonder what is better measure than looking at how fast driver hands move, and how fast tires alternate from grip to full slip, back and forth. What is in there that tell about ACC having too quick, not progressive enough, not predictable enough transients specifically at that phase of early release. And is it truly more credible than proper observation ?

Not giving a chance and building a fortress around some particular paradigm is typical to modern worlds scientism. Scientific ? No, just defending a paradigm, by completely ignoring another.

Anyway, enough of gaslighting. You are correct, the science shows, every plot on google images and every Austin Ognoski or whatever his name is video, and thousands of AC and Project Cars players prooves. It is not easy enough if you can't read chat and talk and drive while overdriving cars like mad, while being tired after work and also low on testosterone with brain fog.

mantasisg said:

It is great that you don't bias with feeling and opinion. But correlation to what ? I wonder what is better measure than looking at how fast driver hands move, and how fast tires alternate from grip to full slip, back and forth. What is in there that tell about ACC having too quick, not progressive enough, not predictable enough transients specifically at that phase of early release. And is it truly more credible than proper observation ?

Not giving a chance and building a fortress around some particular paradigm is typical to modern worlds scientism. Scientific ? No, just defending a paradigm, by completely ignoring another.

Anyway, enough of gaslighting. You are correct, the science shows, every plot on google images and every Austin Ognoski or whatever his name is video, and thousands of AC and Project Cars players prooves. It is not easy enough if you can't read chat and talk and drive while overdriving cars like mad, while being tired after work and also low on testosterone with brain fog.

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I will generally trust Yg and deltaYg, My*, understeer coefficient etc. over things that change from driver to driver like how fast they apply inputs. You're basically looking at the anchor instead of the comparison points.

RF2, Raceroom, AMS2 my top 3 for GT3 the order will depend on the day,

ACC can sit at number 4 but I just don’t really get on with it so it only gets tried for a few hours post patches to see whats changed.

For me, best is RF2, then we can discuss if ACC merits 2nd place

ACC. The first place will have to remain a mystery.

AC, with the latest SOL, CSP, etc.

It has very good FFB (at least with my setup, even when compared with Rfactor 2 or ACC) and an unrivaled set of GT3 cars and tracks.

AI could be better (but it is already pretty good when you play with the opponents aggression bar randomization and variability in CM) but it's still my 2nd choice or even the first (and only) choice when you want to go wild and setup fully customisable championships in Content Manager - the universe of options here is unbelievable.

Rfactor 2. That sim is the racing version of crack. You know it's bad for you, it will destroy your soul and yet you hit it over and over.

iRacing for me. AMS 2 is getting there slowly, rF2 is a pile of garbage - the more you slide the faster you go :').