Would You Rather...

[Michael Lowe]

That answer summarises your general level of thought quite well I think - women aren't an entertainment for me so I'd have to say your comparison has hit the wrong forum, or at the very least the wrong user - you might try some others where that sort of thing is more apt though Michael.

As for being naive - well let's look at it this way : I have a right to what I think - what do you say eh ? You think what you like and I shall do the same - that ok with you ? Let's just suppose for one moment that I am writing an answer to someone who has an open mind: Well in that case much of the car is simulated and the same for everyone as opposed to a real motorsport scenario where money and politics plays a huge role - what differs from setup to setup are generally the input and feedback methods. These are physical, audio and graphical. To obtain even the best of these is a fraction of the cost to go to a kart track for a year, let alone to have the best equipment once you get there. Thus many can afford it should they want to. Allied to that is the fact that you can drive well with a G25 and above. These two things together with the number of participants increase the probability of a level playing field - more so than in the real counterpart of the sport.

Ah setup and physics flaws ... yeah as if you are Mika Hakkinnen right ? The relevance of precision in a simulator goes up only at the top laptimes. For example applying the accelerator at the limit of grip a few meters earlier in certain corners will generate massive reductions in laptime over a following straight only under certain conditions. The driver has to be very good and has to understand what those conditions are, for example arriving mid-corner with the correct balance and slip angle for her tyre choice. The same car arriving there with the same speed, but with a center of mass that is too high may not exit well for example. In the real world you pay big money to know this stuff. Here we might use ACTI and books or other materials. All this means that the driver only has to work to get better in the sim-world. They usually do. The top drivers at RD are all very well versed in the basics and they spend lots of time improving themselves. But they do have that possibility of doing an infinite number of laps to do so as opposed to the real world scenario where even if they did, other factors prevent them using that. Nobody said in the above question what car you would be getting and at which end of the grid. However I am sure you could drive anything into top laptimes - even a wheelbarrow.

Yes there are physics flaws such as grip distribution on the contact patches, dynamic changes in ride height and their effects on aero - but sims are fast getting to the point where for a few hundred euro you can buy a reasonable system where the physics outweighs the competitor's ability to use it fully. Most can't - only the top guys can (world record holders). But we all have a chance to improve to that level in sim-racing.

Ah and as for the 11% - I simply don't give a damn - I am quite happy with the opportunity to vote for something and exercise my right to express myself about it without giving a jot about what you think.

I won't even get started that eSports is now run as an independent sporting activity in most of the top teams in "real motorsport" around the world and that it just might be a sport in its own right.

get out of my space man ....

You're forgetting you replied to me when I didnt ask a question. Goodnight. Lol

 

[jackdyson31]

You're forgetting you replied to me when I didnt ask a question. Goodnight. Lol

yeah but you did offend me with your wonderful turn of phrase - so I felt obliged to say goodnight to you too with lots of laughs for free.

 

[Nick Hill]

I mean, getting paid to play video games...that's pretty sweet...to the point where I would have a hard time thinking of something that beats it. Oh, wait, just thought of one: getting paid to drive a race car!!!

 

[Neils on Wheels]

I would take the sim racing. If they are stupid enough to pay me for coming last, it would also allow me to take a year off work & pretty much do all the things i would like to do. As much as I would like to be a real racing driver I would probable get hauled off the track for dangerous driving.

 

[Patrik Marek]

As much as I would like to be a real racing driver I would probable get hauled off the track for dangerous driving.

it's BTCC for you then, or Rallyecross

 

[Shannon Flynn]

Dunno, depends on the sim

 

[Jugulador]

If I were unemployed (that is something that may aways happen, specially in these times of politicians destroying economies), I would prefer to be an e-sportsman, but doing it as a job, not entertainment.

But, for now, racing is just fun, so it's no brainer what would I choose for fun. And there is no need to be something in national level... I would accept even to race on an entry level club championship.

 

[Dr. Death]

Yeah what kind of question is this? The entire POINT of simracing is to SIMULATE being a real racer. Of course people will chose real racing. The year of payment is nothing compared to the lengths some people go to get more immersed.

 

[Patrik Marek]

Yeah what kind of question is this? The entire POINT of simracing is to SIMULATE being a real racer. Of course people will chose real racing. The year of payment is nothing compared to the lengths some people go to get more immersed.

military sims probably being bit of exception to the rule wouldn't' want to go into a war , all expenses paid but don't want to OT too much

but yeha, it's been 3 years ( can't belive it's already3 years) since I got to drive this for 1hour in 12 hour endurance race, and the experience was just out of this world

and the caronly had some 200 hp and terrible understeer setup

 

[ivanalesi]

What about getting handsomely paid for sim racing and doing some racing? Brendon Leigh did just that while racing for Mercedes, he was racing in FF1600

 

[Wilko Jones]

Reality > Simulated. Sorry, even if the E-Sports deal was for a good amount of money, I'd rather have the all expenses paid experience.

Now what would it take for me to pick either over what I do in my day to day? Not much.

 

[Alex Townsend]

I karted in Club100 for about 5 years. Went to race in France and at Spa.
Apart from that I've had rally school in an Escort Cosworth and RS2000 rally prepped cars at Brands Hatch and Silverstone.
Track time at Rockingham in a Ferrari 360 too.
Also had Clio Cup scholarship tryouts in a Rover 200 at Three Sisters Race track up north.
Every time I jumped in something real and actually pushed a kart or car round a circuit for any amount of time I just grin like a Cheshire cat. I must say that with sim racing I do get the same butterflies of apprehension before a race, and during it depending on my position, so that is still very relatable. I'd be hard pushed to have one without the other. Sim racing is great and I love it, but the chance of an actual racing series for a year could not be passed up.

 

[Theodore 2019]

Serious question here - how many of you in the "real life - it's a no-brainer" camp have ever actually been on track? Have you experienced a hot cockpit with an engine constantly vibrating your guts? Have you experienced the lurching in your stomach as the car accelerates, decelerates, and turns?

Before I got on track with someone I thought, "Oh, this is going to be awesome!" By the time it was over, I was ready to be stationary for a while. Now I also realize that motion-sickness is very different when you are in control of the vehicle, but it was still a real thing for me.

On the other hand, karting doesn't bother me at all and I thoroughly enjoy it. But that is also relatively low-risk in terms of cost or personal injury. I also enjoy driving my Miata on mountain roads when I have the chance. So maybe it was just not being the driver.

But either way, there is a lot more risk on track. I'd be worried about damaging someone else's car or my own. And I'd be worried about hurting myself and others. I really don't understand how someone can have a massive shunt and then approach the same corner with just as much aggressiveness. But perhaps this is just further proof that I am not cut out for this IRL.

Many. There's kart tracks everywhere. Better than videogames.

 

[wablonga]

That's... like not even a contest...

i chose esports because id kill myself as a full racing driver

 

[2stains]

Obviously....who wouldn't want to drive in a Sim over a real drive
And yes I've done quite a few laps irl in a variety of cars including my own.
But I would in all seriousness choose whatever paid the most.

 

[sentry87]

Paid esports driver. Be able to support my family and not have to leave the house? I don't have the luxury of free time to travel across the country enjoying my hobby and not make any money doing it, I got bills to pay.

 

[roadyroad]

I voted for the real thing but I don't think the question is that simple.

Esport should be much more competitive than a national category. Also these aliens, knowing every exploit of the racing sims, would take this races to another level (I assume your team.know these exploits too though). I'm sure many competition oriented people would chose esport, especially if it's paid.

The real unpaid championship is just... the real thing, and that alone is great. But obviously it would not be in a fast category, at least slower than esport, it would be time consuming (still have to work). Unfortunately, I can't see someone becoming competitive in a national championship without being fully involved.

So the question is more : a true professional sim racing driver or an amateur driver who won't be able to be competitive with the top drivers?

I still think I would take the real thing though...

 

[Patrik Marek]

It's definitely not a simple question

If you are rich CEO than paid esports is going to be very little incentive

 

[Patrik Marek]

I karted in Club100 for about 5 years. Went to race in France and at Spa.
Apart from that I've had rally school in an Escort Cosworth and RS2000 rally prepped cars at Brands Hatch and Silverstone.
Track time at Rockingham in a Ferrari 360 too.
Also had Clio Cup scholarship tryouts in a Rover 200 at Three Sisters Race track up north.
Every time I jumped in something real and actually pushed a kart or car round a circuit for any amount of time I just grin like a Cheshire cat. I must say that with sim racing I do get the same butterflies of apprehension before a race, and during it depending on my position, so that is still very relatable. I'd be hard pushed to have one without the other. Sim racing is great and I love it, but the chance of an actual racing series for a year could not be passed up.

That's impressive lineup of cars

 

[Dirk Steffen]

Oh, it looks like a slow newsy and Paul being out of ideas for good articles …
Let me help you out here:

Would you rather:

A) … scrub dishes in a Bangladeshi fast-food restaurant at minimum pay for a year and connect with the rich foreign culture on your journey to enlightenment or scrape toe nails for the rest of your life in a Beverly Hills serve at home celebrity pedicure business as an unpaid intern for a year?

B) … regulate traffic as a police officer during rush hour in Timbuktu for a year with pay in free cupcakes or proofread literature class essays of 14 year olds for free for the rest of your life, drive a rusty Volvo and wear corduroy jackets?

C) … read refreshing sim racing related articles on RaceDepartment as a premium member for a year or read completely pie in the sky 12 year old phantasy race car driver fiction for middle aged men from time to time ?

Come on Paul, you can do better than that. I have seen it.

I didn't even get the fingertip excitement to accidentally click on one of the two poll choices but rather spent 5 minutes to type up this drivel here