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Discussion in 'Xenon Racer' started by Marten SOEDESCO, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. GTR233

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    Title reminds me of famous shoot'em up XENON II :D
     
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  2. Mark Ratzenbacher

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    This is a straight-up advertisment ?

    This forum is supposed to be a support and community forum ?

    I have paid for premium membership to not receive ads ?

    I have asked this questions to the mods of this website in silence but got no reply, but i feel this should be made clear. Thank you in advance and peace !
     
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  3. Kenny Paton

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    It's no different from any other new racing title that gets publicised on RD, you don't need to read the thread.
    Apologies the no reply was my fault as I hadn't ticked the correct box when I dealt with your report.
     
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  4. MarkR

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    Like the rest of the internet everything here needs to be read with critical thinking skills on - who is writing this, what is their connection to the people who stand to gain, what counter balancing evidence or argument is given etc.

    Clearly this article was written by someone directly connected to the game and as preorder build up. I don't remember too many news articles written by those connected with a game but maybe I've missed them in the past. At least in this article the community manager makes his role and connection clear, that I appreciate.

    What troubles me most with RD is the forum members who post pretending to be a.n.other player when they are actually paid by one developer or another and have vested interest - it becomes easier to spot them after a while, usually the first positive comment on a certain game and overly negative against some other title or platform. I have asked and RD's rules do not prohibit this, as a result I take nothing here at face value. I'm not particularly singling out RD, it is seemingly the way of the interweb at this stage.

    From what I've seen RD is an echo chamber for overly positive messages about AC and Kunos and many of their staff lurk here undeclared, look out if you dare to question them, to a lesser extent the same is true of RF2. They are not alone, each game has it's usual suspects. Some of the staff are also caught in either overt or more likely unconscious bias toward and against certain titles.

    This article is in that style of 'friendly marketing' - and for my part I believe they probably do actually want and value our feedback. Like many of the news articles on RD they alert me to something I was only mildly aware of or not aware of at all (I had only seen one ad for this game on Xbox before today). Will I buy the game based on this article - no absolutely not. I might once I see a range of independent reviews from a number of proven sources.
     
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  5. Mark Ratzenbacher

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    I read through it because i find this game interesting for me and my friends, whom are always keen to race in my rig, just to see them disappointed after, because they expected it to drive like Mario Kart. ;)

    So a modern game that features multiplayer-racing via LAN or Split-screen even, in the tradition of arcade-racers is something i´d look forward to.

    So far the initial post is not carrying any information apart from a trailer and a release date, so feedback is not going into the development of this software and its hard to implement features like VR or cross-platform as proposed in this thread after release. Ask the coder, not the community manager (keyword transparency). There is mentioning of a demo and a feedback-forum in a reply from an RD-user, yet those expected links are missed in the initial post.


    Please excuse me for being critical, but then RD is probably the last bigger website for all kind of simrace related topics (except the developers forums which are mostly the breeding place for fanboys, rather than being informative and supporting) and i see other aspects of motorsport enthusiasm and arcade games grow and i am just truly afraid to loose this place.
     
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  6. Kenny Paton

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    RD carries arcade racing articles as well, many of our members enjoy these titles alongside the more serious ones.
    I would think that you're more likely to lose it by RD concentrating on our rather narrow niche hardcore Sims. I think the breadth we cover helps attract people to the site.
    But I'm glad you care about RD.:)

    MarkR Is that not kind of moving into tinfoil hat territory to suggest that company employees infiltrate the forums to subtly manipulate them, or maybe I'm being naive.
    As to staff bias, it probably enthusiasm for a game that encourages them to get the red badge in the first place, but I think the vast bulk of us try hard to be impartial.
    Although I do agree about using critical thinking.
    Anyway it's early doors and I need :coffee: to kick-start my brain.
     
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  7. MarkR

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    Sadly no, the manipulation isn't even that subtle. My opinion remains that, as with the author of this article, members (& staff) should have to state any paid affiliation, sponsorship or gain such as game testing with a developer (just as YouTube creators are required to state sponsorship), this lets us know the opinion is likely to be at a minimum unconsciously biased if not overtly so. As with Steam reviews it would also be good if members declared they received the product for free members as again the principle of reciprocity means the free product is likely to have swayed their opinion.

    Fully agree where the staff are concerned, it was explained to me that they are enthusiasts and allowed to express their opinions freely, that's all good as long as we know that's the case. That 'staff' badge will always add a little touch of influence though so I'm glad you agree it's best for staff to be impartial where possible.
     
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  8. Kenny Paton

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    Wouldn't disagree with that although it's probably a stretch to get members to comply.:)
     
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  9. MarkR

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    Fully accept that, I think it would be good if RD at least asked people to declare interest just as Steam do with games.

    I was blind to this hidden influencing until I happened to let the credits roll on a racing game and noticed a number of names I recognised here and on other racing game websites scrolling up the screen.

    I wouldn't expect RD to police such a system (pretty much impossible with usernames etc) but I think once an association is clear and obvious it ought to be declared.

    Basically though we are back to where we started with the need for critical thinking. These days I just ask why is this person expressing this opinion, what else have they said here on RD, where else do they pop up on the web.
     
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  10. Kenny Paton

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    I must confess nowadays on the internet I vere more to Hanlon's equation but yes we certainly can agree on more of that is needed.
     
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  11. VirtuaIceMan

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    What game was that? I know a collection of people appeared on Dirt Rally as Dirty Gossipers, but that's purely because of yapping so much on Codemasters forum !
     
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