RACE 07 Racing Club (Merged)

Attila Domján · Feb 18, 2008

Hya all

As a start lets kick some WTCC cars after the pause period.

Time: 19.00 GMT / 20.00 CET
Practise: 30 min
Qualy: 30 min
Race: 2*10 laps
Weather: Dry

Track: Istanbul
Cars: WTCC 06 and 07

Server name: RSC # RPMnet.org
Password: spa

Server 1 - RSC @ RPMnet.org #1

Attila Domján - Chevy
Gareth Hickling - Peugeot
Pauliebhoy Harrigan - Seat Leon
Gregory Degreef - BMW E90
Mehmet Arikan - Seat
Jerome Benard - Alfa Romeo
Cristian Haba - BMW E90
Christian Deparis - Seat 07
Jens Hoeppner - BMW E90
Patrick van Driel -Seat Leon
James Yates - BMW E46
Jari Vinnari - BMW E90
Marcel Hulsbergen - Alfa 156
Peter Böszörményi - Seat Leon
Kent Karlén - Chevy 07
darron miller - Peugeot
Michael Herrmann - Alfa 156
Nico Major - BMW E90
Rami Kaukola - BMW E90
Christopher Aponte - Seat LEon
Simon Trendell - Peugeot
big daddy Morpheus Lightning McQueen - car tbd
Baron-Rouge[NO-B] - Seat Leon
ingemar petersson Seat Leon
Nevermind - Seat Leon

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ajokay · Sep 10, 2014

I think if you are a faster driver behind a slower driver (and you don't have the opportunity to get past immediately), then it is your duty to learn over the course of a lap or so how that slower driver operates, and learn where to make a move and where to not. Yes, you'll have to slow to their pace over the course of that lap, and you will be 'held up', but if you are fighting for a position then being held up is part and parcel of that, and the time for making up ground is when you heave some clear track ahead of you. Certainly a slower driver should never feel threatened or bullied to get out of the way if they find themselves in a situation where there's a faster driver behind.

Dennis Phelan · Sep 10, 2014

I've found that the toughest things to learn about sim racing are being able to run right behind someone and as well, to be able to drive with someone right behind. It's a shame that so much of practice is hotlapping with drivers quitting the course once they catch another driver. Not many drivers ever go out for a long stint in a car they have set up ahead of time. It really is a problem of practice and the only practice at driving close seems to come at race time, ugly!

To put it another way, too many drivers use practice to learn how to go fast around the course in the car of the day. No time is given to all the other aspects of racing. Consider the number of drivers that have no idea how to find or compute fuel consumption, just watch chat or listen on TS. How often does a driver find themselves stuck in the pit, unable to make a needed change.

What we want the most from a multi-player experience is driving with other drivers. So how do you want to get that done? No matter what speed you can carry, from car setup or wheel handling skills, we all want to do it not with AI at 85-105% we want to be with other, real drivers. Why treat another driver poorly?

PaulH · Sep 10, 2014

A good read Dennis, this should be stickied in all the forums so all people read this

We all like to race and finish as high as possible but without hurting someone else's race is paramount in my book. But with all that I still think the overall level of driver at the racedepartment is very clean & fair

but good to remind people too

Reggie Blain · Sep 10, 2014

Its been a long time since i have used Race 07 and i have to say i really enjoyed the races last night. A goods nights racing with good clean drivers. Thanks again @Dennis Phelan for organizing the event.

See you guys on track

Robert Covey · Sep 10, 2014

Sure sign me up. Whats the worst that can happen, maybe I'll get to finish this race

Björn · Sep 10, 2014

Belet Michel said:
For the next, i don't understand, really for, but, may you mean for the next week what cars without covers wheel we need?

Dennis was implying that next week's car for Thursday might be another open-wheeler - with the IFM and FBMW (last week) down and the F3000 scheduled tomorrow, that doesn't leave that many options

4 8 15 16 23 42 108 · Sep 10, 2014

Formula Ford by Günthar Rowe

Dennis Phelan · Sep 10, 2014

The popular Formula one legends?

Björn · Sep 10, 2014

I can see it now - it will be the Caterhams and you've been playing with us all along

Anyways, I'm a maybe for this one, I'll be at what they call "nature" after work, but I might be back in time

Belet Michel · Sep 10, 2014

Sure need help!But w"e can test f1 2007!

Reggie Blain · Sep 11, 2014

my dad and i will join

David Kingshott · Sep 11, 2014

Hi Dennis I will do my best to join in cheers

Dennis Phelan · Sep 11, 2014

As much as a driver works at speed and consistency, he also has the responsibility to learn how to behave in traffic. Being fast is not good enough. Mistakes will be made, there is no doubt.

Why this discussion? Who am I talking to? OK, maybe I'm just not making sense. The racing is good, we have very little in the way of aggressive driving going on and compare L1 T1 incidents with any race on a public server and it's easy to see we're doing great. Some drivers don't however seem to be recognizing their own mistakes. They don't see that nudge or the car disappearing from view as all they're interested in is staying with the leaders and not losing ground to anyone behind. Well, we all do that don't we. Anytime a mistake is made that involves contact with another car it should be asked, did I have anything to do with that and have I passed him or simply displaced him?

When the mistake is recognized and properly attended to, there is no problem.

When the driver doesn't recognize it or fails to give back the spot we have an incident. The problem in the club is with the driver that get pushed and loses the place without reporting the incident.

The excuses are rampant, we're just here for fun, I only lost one place, I was lucky to be that highly placed anyhow, I don't want to see him punished, maybe it's a one time thing as he's never done that before. Been there, heard that and it will happen again unless the offender gets punished.

So I'm looking for two things, drivers to be better when close and more reports of incidents.
I can tell you from past episodes in the club that when incidents are reported the close driving gets better. One, drivers realize that they will get suspended for 30 days for a violation and two, all drivers get more time driving with others because they want only a clean pass. Suspended drivers either come back to do the same thing which gets them sent off for a longer period of time or they shape up and everyone gets a better deal out of it as they get the placings they deserve.

Drivers get nudged off track and booted off track and apologies seem to come to easy. Too often because no reports are filed and no punishment given that offending driver has gotten very good at making apologies to other drivers.

I've said before that I'm not supposed to be the policeman. If you lose position because you were bumped off your line[or off track], never to see that driver either slow or stop to wait for you, he is not giving you the respect you deserve and he should be reported, by you. You cannot excuse it as being just a fun event or any or for any other reason. When you do not report an incident and the driver goes on to disrespect another driver at a later time, you also share the responsibility for that.