Cars Ferrari F430 Vs. Porsche 997 RSR for AMS v1.3

[ClimaxF1]

Just so you know, you will not get permission to change anything on my Toyota Celica GTO 1987 for AMS or rFactor.

Do you see it any where uploaded, NO, so what's your problem.

I also have no intentions and these changes were and are for my own personal use!

Nice car by the way

 

[Comm_Cody]

Seem to have issues. Installed the GSC mod, followed instructions, then installed update, but when I click on series, no cars show up for me to drive, only the pace car.

Any idea on what the issue could be?

 

[ClimaxF1]

ClimaxF1 updated Ferrari F430 Vs. Porsche 997 RSR for AMS with a new update entry:

Complete conversion and update

Hi Guys

I just recently received a review for this mod which had me thinking.

At the time of uploading the first update, not much was done and have learned a few things since then.

Hopefully you guys like the new updates


N.B. I originally had this as a update patch to the original mod. With all the updates I decided to make things less complicated and have included all files to run this mod.


***Delete any previous version before...

Read the rest of this update entry...

 

[ClimaxF1]

Here's a red version which I did for myself if anyone is interested, just send me a pm.

 

[Javi288]

AI continues to have problems in standing starts. When the red light goes out, they accelerate very slowly.

 

[ClimaxF1]

AI continues to have problems in standing starts. When the red light goes out, they accelerate very slowly.

Only tweaked their on track behavior, would have to see what can be done.

Hopefully someone reading this can help as I don't actually know what needs to be changed to fix.

 

[THYR308]

Hi ClimaxF1,
Nice mod.
There is a issue with skid sounds, no sound because wav files doesn't exist in my \StockCarBrasil\ folder :

// SKID SOUNDS (INSIDE)

VS_INSIDE_TIRE_SCRUB=0.8,StockCarBrasil\road_scrub.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DRY=1.2,StockCarBrasil\road_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_WET=1.4,StockCarBrasil\road_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRASS=1.5,StockCarBrasil\grass_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DIRT=2.5,StockCarBrasil\gravel_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRAVEL=2.5,StockCarBrasil\gravel_skid.wav

I changed to :

(Ferrari)
// SKID SOUNDS (INSIDE)
VS_INSIDE_TIRE_SCRUB=0.3,F430GTC\SHARED\scrub1_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DRY=1.2,F430GTC\SHARED\skid2_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_WET=1.4,F430GTC\SHARED\skid2_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRASS=1.5,F430GTC\TMTires\grassskid_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DIRT=2.5,F430GTC\TMTires\gravelskid_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRAVEL=2.5,F430GTC\TMTires\gravelskid_in.wav

(Porsche)
// SKID SOUNDS (INSIDE)
VS_INSIDE_TIRE_SCRUB=0.3,997RSR\SHARED\scrub1_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DRY=1.2,997RSR\SHARED\skid2_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_WET=1.4,997RSR\SHARED\skid2_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRASS=1.5,997RSR\TMTires\grassskid_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DIRT=2.5,997RSR\TMTires\gravelskid_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRAVEL=2.5,997RSR\TMTires\gravelskid_in.wav

 

[Javi288]

Hi ClimaxF1,
Nice mod.
There is a issue with skid sounds, no sound because wav files doesn't exist in my \StockCarBrasil\ folder :

// SKID SOUNDS (INSIDE)

VS_INSIDE_TIRE_SCRUB=0.8,StockCarBrasil\road_scrub.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DRY=1.2,StockCarBrasil\road_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_WET=1.4,StockCarBrasil\road_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRASS=1.5,StockCarBrasil\grass_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DIRT=2.5,StockCarBrasil\gravel_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRAVEL=2.5,StockCarBrasil\gravel_skid.wav

I changed to :

(Ferrari)
// SKID SOUNDS (INSIDE)
VS_INSIDE_TIRE_SCRUB=0.3,F430GTC\SHARED\scrub1_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DRY=1.2,F430GTC\SHARED\skid2_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_WET=1.4,F430GTC\SHARED\skid2_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRASS=1.5,F430GTC\TMTires\grassskid_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DIRT=2.5,F430GTC\TMTires\gravelskid_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRAVEL=2.5,F430GTC\TMTires\gravelskid_in.wav

(Porsche)
// SKID SOUNDS (INSIDE)
VS_INSIDE_TIRE_SCRUB=0.3,997RSR\SHARED\scrub1_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DRY=1.2,997RSR\SHARED\skid2_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_WET=1.4,997RSR\SHARED\skid2_dry_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRASS=1.5,997RSR\TMTires\grassskid_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DIRT=2.5,997RSR\TMTires\gravelskid_in.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRAVEL=2.5,997RSR\TMTires\gravelskid_in.wav

I don't have skid sounds either, I haven't quite understood how to fix it.

What files should I modify and in what folders are they? Thanks in advance.

 

[THYR308]

Hi Javi

Find
Automobilista\GameData\Vehicles\PorscheVsFerrari\997GT3_RSR\997GT3_RSR.sfx
Automobilista\GameData\Vehicles\PorscheVsFerrari\Ferrari_F430GTC\Ferrari_F430GTC.sfx

Replace :

// SKID SOUNDS (INSIDE)

VS_INSIDE_TIRE_SCRUB=0.8,StockCarBrasil\road_scrub.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DRY=1.2,StockCarBrasil\road_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_WET=1.4,StockCarBrasil\road_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRASS=1.5,StockCarBrasil\grass_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_DIRT=2.5,StockCarBrasil\gravel_skid.wav
VS_INSIDE_SKID_GRAVEL=2.5,StockCarBrasil\gravel_skid.wav

by (Ferrari) and (Porsche) previous post.


---------

PS:
I found why AI is too slow in standing start.
I will write a post tomorrow.

 

[ClimaxF1]

I don't have skid sounds either, I haven't quite understood how to fix it.

What files should I modify and in what folders are they? Thanks in advance.

Hi there

Will try by tomorrow to make a update.

It's a small fix, thanks

 

[THYR308]

Hi,

AI starts slow because engines datas are not correct, torque is too low at low rpm.
I made new engines with real datas curves.
Porsche :
RPMTorque=( 0.0, -48.0, -46.9)
RPMTorque=( 100.0, -42.5, -34.5)
RPMTorque=( 200.0, -36.9, -22.2)
RPMTorque=( 300.0, -29.5, 8.8)
RPMTorque=( 400.0, -20.1, 42.0)
RPMTorque=( 500.0, -10.7, 64.9)
RPMTorque=( 600.0, -14.0, 92.4)
RPMTorque=( 700.0, -17.3, 116.8)
RPMTorque=( 800.0, -20.0, 145.8)
RPMTorque=( 900.0, -22.2, 167.3)
RPMTorque=( 1000.0, -24.4, 188.8)
RPMTorque=( 1100.0, -26.0, 214.6)
RPMTorque=( 1200.0, -27.5, 236.1)
RPMTorque=( 1300.0, -29.7, 254.2)
RPMTorque=( 1400.0, -32.5, 269.8)
RPMTorque=( 1500.0, -35.3, 283.3)
RPMTorque=( 1600.0, -36.6, 295.1)
RPMTorque=( 1700.0, -37.9, 305.5)
RPMTorque=( 1800.0, -39.0, 314.7)
RPMTorque=( 1900.0, -39.7, 323.0)
RPMTorque=( 2000.0, -40.3, 330.5)
RPMTorque=( 2100.0, -41.8, 337.2)
RPMTorque=( 2200.0, -43.3, 343.3)
RPMTorque=( 2300.0, -44.9, 348.9)
RPMTorque=( 2400.0, -46.6, 354.1)
RPMTorque=( 2500.0, -48.2, 358.8)
RPMTorque=( 2600.0, -49.2, 363.1)
RPMTorque=( 2700.0, -50.1, 367.2)
RPMTorque=( 2800.0, -51.5, 370.9)
RPMTorque=( 2900.0, -53.4, 374.4)
RPMTorque=( 3000.0, -55.2, 377.7)
RPMTorque=( 3100.0, -57.2, 380.7)
RPMTorque=( 3200.0, -59.3, 383.6)
RPMTorque=( 3300.0, -61.2, 386.2)
RPMTorque=( 3400.0, -62.9, 388.8)
RPMTorque=( 3500.0, -64.6, 391.1)
RPMTorque=( 3600.0, -66.1, 393.4)
RPMTorque=( 3700.0, -67.6, 395.5)
RPMTorque=( 3800.0, -69.2, 397.5)
RPMTorque=( 3900.0, -70.9, 399.4)
RPMTorque=( 4000.0, -72.5, 401.3)
RPMTorque=( 4100.0, -75.1, 403.0)
RPMTorque=( 4200.0, -77.8, 404.6)
RPMTorque=( 4300.0, -80.9, 406.2)
RPMTorque=( 4400.0, -84.5, 407.7)
RPMTorque=( 4500.0, -88.1, 409.1)
RPMTorque=( 4600.0, -91.1, 410.5)
RPMTorque=( 4700.0, -94.0, 411.8)
RPMTorque=( 4800.0, -96.4, 413.1)
RPMTorque=( 4900.0, -98.3, 414.3)
RPMTorque=( 5000.0, -100.2, 415.4)
RPMTorque=( 5100.0, -105.2, 416.5)
RPMTorque=( 5200.0, -110.2, 417.6)
RPMTorque=( 5300.0, -114.0, 418.6)
RPMTorque=( 5400.0, -116.8, 419.6)
RPMTorque=( 5500.0, -119.5, 420.6)
RPMTorque=( 5600.0, -122.8, 421.5)
RPMTorque=( 5700.0, -126.1, 422.4)
RPMTorque=( 5800.0, -129.3, 423.2)
RPMTorque=( 5900.0, -132.4, 424.1)
RPMTorque=( 6000.0, -135.5, 424.9)
RPMTorque=( 6100.0, -138.4, 425.6)
RPMTorque=( 6200.0, -141.3, 426.4)
RPMTorque=( 6300.0, -144.1, 427.1)
RPMTorque=( 6400.0, -146.9, 427.8)
RPMTorque=( 6500.0, -149.7, 428.5)
RPMTorque=( 6600.0, -152.3, 429.1)
RPMTorque=( 6700.0, -154.8, 429.8)
RPMTorque=( 6800.0, -157.1, 430.0)
RPMTorque=( 6900.0, -159.0, 429.6)
RPMTorque=( 7000.0, -160.9, 428.7)
RPMTorque=( 7100.0, -162.3, 427.3)
RPMTorque=( 7200.0, -163.7, 425.5)
RPMTorque=( 7300.0, -165.8, 423.3)
RPMTorque=( 7400.0, -168.7, 420.5)
RPMTorque=( 7500.0, -171.6, 417.4)
RPMTorque=( 7600.0, -175.8, 413.8)
RPMTorque=( 7700.0, -180.1, 409.7)
RPMTorque=( 7800.0, -184.7, 405.2)
RPMTorque=( 7900.0, -189.8, 400.2)
RPMTorque=( 8000.0, -195.0, 395.2)
RPMTorque=( 8100.0, -200.6, 388.8)
RPMTorque=( 8200.0, -206.1, 379.4)
RPMTorque=( 8300.0, -210.9, 367.2)
RPMTorque=( 8400.0, -214.9, 352.3)
RPMTorque=( 8500.0, -218.9, 336.7)
RPMTorque=( 8600.0, -223.2, 318.4)
RPMTorque=( 8700.0, -228.9, 301.1)
RPMTorque=( 8800.0, -233.0, 274.8)
RPMTorque=( 8900.0, -231.4, 252.6)
RPMTorque=( 9000.0, -232.2, 215.6)
RPMTorque=( 9100.0, -233.0, 151.3)

RevLimitRange=(8500, 100, 0.0)

Ferrari :
RPMTorque=( 0.0, -47.8, -43.2)
RPMTorque=( 100.0, -42.3, -31.8)
RPMTorque=( 200.0, -36.9, -20.5)
RPMTorque=( 300.0, -29.5, 8.1)
RPMTorque=( 400.0, -20.1, 36.8)
RPMTorque=( 500.0, -11.2, 59.9)
RPMTorque=( 600.0, -14.0, 85.2)
RPMTorque=( 700.0, -17.3, 108.7)
RPMTorque=( 800.0, -20.0, 134.4)
RPMTorque=( 900.0, -22.2, 164.1)
RPMTorque=( 1000.0, -24.4, 207.8)
RPMTorque=( 1100.0, -26.0, 236.1)
RPMTorque=( 1200.0, -27.5, 259.8)
RPMTorque=( 1300.0, -29.7, 279.8)
RPMTorque=( 1400.0, -32.5, 296.9)
RPMTorque=( 1500.0, -35.3, 311.7)
RPMTorque=( 1600.0, -36.6, 324.7)
RPMTorque=( 1700.0, -37.9, 335.5)
RPMTorque=( 1800.0, -38.9, 346.4)
RPMTorque=( 1900.0, -39.6, 355.5)
RPMTorque=( 2000.0, -40.1, 363.7)
RPMTorque=( 2100.0, -41.6, 371.1)
RPMTorque=( 2200.0, -43.1, 377.8)
RPMTorque=( 2300.0, -44.7, 384.0)
RPMTorque=( 2400.0, -46.4, 389.6)
RPMTorque=( 2500.0, -48.0, 394.9)
RPMTorque=( 2600.0, -49.0, 399.6)
RPMTorque=( 2700.0, -49.9, 404.1)
RPMTorque=( 2800.0, -51.3, 408.3)
RPMTorque=( 2900.0, -53.2, 412.1)
RPMTorque=( 3000.0, -55.0, 415.7)
RPMTorque=( 3100.0, -57.0, 419.0)
RPMTorque=( 3200.0, -59.1, 422.2)
RPMTorque=( 3300.0, -61.0, 425.1)
RPMTorque=( 3400.0, -62.7, 427.9)
RPMTorque=( 3500.0, -64.4, 430.5)
RPMTorque=( 3600.0, -65.9, 433.0)
RPMTorque=( 3700.0, -67.4, 435.3)
RPMTorque=( 3800.0, -69.0, 437.5)
RPMTorque=( 3900.0, -70.7, 439.6)
RPMTorque=( 4000.0, -72.3, 441.6)
RPMTorque=( 4100.0, -74.9, 443.6)
RPMTorque=( 4200.0, -77.6, 445.3)
RPMTorque=( 4300.0, -80.7, 447.0)
RPMTorque=( 4400.0, -84.3, 448.7)
RPMTorque=( 4500.0, -87.9, 450.3)
RPMTorque=( 4600.0, -90.9, 451.8)
RPMTorque=( 4700.0, -93.8, 453.3)
RPMTorque=( 4800.0, -96.2, 454.6)
RPMTorque=( 4900.0, -98.1, 455.9)
RPMTorque=( 5000.0, -100.0, 457.2)
RPMTorque=( 5100.0, -105.0, 458.4)
RPMTorque=( 5200.0, -110.0, 459.6)
RPMTorque=( 5300.0, -113.8, 460.2)
RPMTorque=( 5400.0, -116.5, 460.1)
RPMTorque=( 5500.0, -119.2, 459.8)
RPMTorque=( 5600.0, -122.5, 459.5)
RPMTorque=( 5700.0, -125.8, 459.0)
RPMTorque=( 5800.0, -129.0, 458.5)
RPMTorque=( 5900.0, -132.1, 457.8)
RPMTorque=( 6000.0, -135.2, 457.0)
RPMTorque=( 6100.0, -138.1, 456.1)
RPMTorque=( 6200.0, -141.0, 455.0)
RPMTorque=( 6300.0, -143.8, 454.0)
RPMTorque=( 6400.0, -146.6, 452.7)
RPMTorque=( 6500.0, -149.4, 451.3)
RPMTorque=( 6600.0, -152.0, 449.8)
RPMTorque=( 6700.0, -154.5, 448.2)
RPMTorque=( 6800.0, -156.8, 446.5)
RPMTorque=( 6900.0, -158.7, 444.7)
RPMTorque=( 7000.0, -160.6, 442.4)
RPMTorque=( 7100.0, -162.0, 440.8)

RevLimitRange=(7200, 100, 0.0)

 

[THYR308]

There was another AI problem with some tracks (Oulton, Virginia, Spa...),
too many crashes.

I changed this, in hdv files :

Porsche :
Mass=1300.0

Ferrari :
Mass=1275.0

Porsche/Ferrari
AIDamperSlow=0.2
AIDamperFast=0.2
AIPerfUsage=(0.98, 0.98, 0.98)

Oulton races were crazy, now AI is very natural.

 

[Javi288]

There was another AI problem with some tracks (Oulton, Virginia, Spa...),
too many crashes.

I changed this, in hdv files :

Porsche :
Mass=1300.0

Ferrari :
Mass=1275.0

Porsche/Ferrari
AIDamperSlow=0.2
AIDamperFast=0.2
AIPerfUsage=(0.98, 0.98, 0.98)

Oulton races were crazy, now AI is very natural.

Fantastic! You are finding a solution to all the small bugs that this wonderful mod has!

Yesterday I had problems with the 997 at Silverstone (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/silverstone-2-seasons-drs.11031/), the AI was losing control and spinning all the time. Instead the AI-controlled F430s worked fine.

Later I will test all your changes. Thank you very much!!!

 

[ClimaxF1]

Hey guys

Really appreciate all the feedback and help I'm getting here in the discussion area. This is really one of the best mods to have.

I've managed to fix all bugs thanks to you guys.

@THYR308 fixes definitely solves the problem with the standing starts and their on track behavior.

I'm no expert as to what mass. these cars have but have left them as is.

The mod was designed to be very competitive, class against class.
When you adjust as per suggestion then Ferrari always takes the Porsche easily.
Leaving it as is and having done several short races at Hockenheim, Montreal and Silverstone the cars were always at each other on average,

As for setting rpm revs lower for both cars, this I also left as per default because to me they sounded like underperformed GT2 cars.

Busy uploading all fixes now, including sound fixes.

 

[ClimaxF1]

ClimaxF1 updated Ferrari F430 Vs. Porsche 997 RSR for AMS with a new update entry:

Bug fixes, sound and new skin

Hey guys

Really appreciate all the feedback and help I'm getting here in the discussion area. This is really one of the best mods to have.

I've managed to fix all bugs thanks to you guys.

@THYR308 fixes definitely solves the problem with the standing starts and their on track behavior.

I'm no expert as to what mass. these cars have but have left them as is.

The mod was designed to be very competitive, class against class.
When you adjust as per suggestion then...

Read the rest of this update entry...

 

[Javi288]

I've been testing all the THYR308 enhancements and they really work !!!

Are there many differences between the old version + changes of THYR308 and the new version of ClimaxF1 (besides the new skin)?

I have compared some files and the AI changes are maintained in both cases, but in others there are differences (sound and engine files).

I guess I should erase the mod from my disk and install the new version for comparison.

In any case, I want to thank ClimaxF1 for bringing us this magnificent mod to AUTOMOBILISTA and THYR308 for investigating and debugging some bugs.

 

[ClimaxF1]

I've been testing all the THYR308 enhancements and they really work !!!

Are there many differences between the old version + changes of THYR308 and the new version of ClimaxF1 (besides the new skin)?

I have compared some files and the AI changes are maintained in both cases, but in others there are differences (sound and engine files).

I guess I should erase the mod from my disk and install the new version for comparison.

In any case, I want to thank ClimaxF1 for bringing us this magnificent mod to AUTOMOBILISTA and THYR308 for investigating and debugging some bugs.

If you have changed any of my files I would recommend a clean install.

Start and on track AI is fixed in this update thanks to THYR308.

The mass is standard as per original mod to keep cars very competitive against each other.

Lowering rpm also reduces engine sounds and performance or it just sounds like the cars are under performing. You want these cars to sound the part.

I'm not sure how accurate the data is but do know that these cars or this mod is a must have. It's Porsche vs Ferrari and that's the feel you get from it.

I like the differences in physics, handling, overall this mod, even stock is already very good in my opinion.

This last update fixes small error (my fault with sfx file) or bugs that we have had without losing all the good things, overall feel and sounds.

Clean install is recommended, thanks for the feedback and comments, much appreciated.

 

[Rix Hart]

Fanstastic update - the cars are great, they drive in accordance with the other cars now, the A.I drive really well throughout a 20 lap race; i think consistency is ok mid- back field but i'd need to race some more.

One of the porsches crashed out on lap 1 turn 2 of Adelaide historic, was great watching the other cars adapt and avoid the spun car, i hit him head on, naturally....

As i love multiclass racing, and coordinating championhips and altering any variables availble to create great races and moments. and finding groups of tracks that really challenge the cars, i put the porsche against an assortment of other porsche cars from the game and other mods (6 classes in total), and ran a few races ....just had an hour (or 3??) of racing greatness!! Where did time go??

Must have been 3 hours, everyone else is alseep....round 3-4 here we go.....

 

[THYR308]

Hi Guys, (hope you will understand Gg translator ;-)

I made a little update for the Ferrari.
I uploaded it, you may try it. (=> downloads)

ClimaxF1, if you think it's interesting, maybe you may add it to a new release.

Sounds were not as good as Porsche.

Changed :
- starter sound (from real 430 Challenge)
- idle power (louder at low rpm)
- levels and rpm adjusted
- other skid sounds
Added :
- toggle limiter
- TC limiter

Updated engine file.
Added realistic torque curve between 7000 and 8000 rmp.
Previous one did not have datas after 7100, because Challenge high rmp torque (max power 8200) were not ok for GTC (max power 7000).

Changed defaut steering rotation, 720°/30° (28/33)

 

[Javi288]

Lines (oblique and horizontal) appear on the windshield of the 997, similar to a polygonal mesh.

It only happens in Silverstone (both in Patrick's version and in the ClimaxF1 update). Lines appear and disappear, but always at the same points on the circuit.