F1 2012 F1 2012: The End of Modding?

Petar Tasev · Jun 3, 2012

If Dirt Showdown is anything to go by, CM are hiding away the database.bin which has been the key files to many great mods around this community. Whether they are doing the same thing in F1 2012 or not, I don't know, but please come support me to make sure that they leave the file like in the past so that we can continue to make great mods:

Thanks!

Sign this thread with a comment below to support us and we will send it to Codemasters

ML2166 · Jun 3, 2012

Will send CM's a personal e-mail with lots and lots of F words and B words.

Not because it would make any difference, just because I wanna.

Kartik Sri Harsha · Jun 3, 2012

ML2166 said:
Will send CM's a personal e-mail with lots and lots of F words and B words.

Not because it would make any difference, just because I wanna.

Back to point if CM didn't allowed Modders to Mod the game then PC user's will stop playing the Game at some point

So every one Support Ryder in 2012 forum to make F1 2012 Moddable

ML2166 · Jun 3, 2012

Done!

Petar Tasev · Jun 3, 2012

Thanks for the support. If they were planning to change the code then I hope this changes their mind.

Richie Hill · Jun 3, 2012

Ryder, I've added my 2 cents. We aren't certain they are gonna change anything tho are we?

ML2166, did you email direct not through the forum?

ML2166 · Jun 3, 2012

hill said:
Ryder, I've added my 2 cents. We aren't certain they are gonna change anything tho are we?

ML2166, did you email direct not through the forum?

ML2166 · Jun 3, 2012

Some more potentially bad news.

I have had a couple of car files sent to me.

If F1 2012 follows Dirt Showdowns lead.....car models cannot be got at, at all.

This means skinning will be very difficult, almost impossible to be done to the standard we know and expect now.

Could mean that it's time to say R.I.P to modding as we know it.

With both the Database being hidden away and the lack of models for textures I quite simply fear the worst!

Kartik Sri Harsha · Jun 3, 2012

Wait until the release it was the Only hope and Don't loose it Guys.
We may have a Normal Version like Previous Two games
All we need to do is waiting and Requesting CM to Allow the F1 2012 to be Modifiable

Richie Hill · Jun 3, 2012

Well if this is true, i won't be buying f12012. I will however be modding f12011 to the 2013 skins and driver names etc. that might teach codemasters if we all play the old game instead.

What are the chances realistically of the file structure changing? If 10 and 11 were like that, surely there's a chance 12 will be?

ML2166 · Jun 3, 2012

hill said:
Well if this is true, i won't be buying f12012. I will however be modding f12011 to the 2013 skins and driver names etc. that might teach codemasters if we all play the old game instead.

What are the chances realistically of the file structure changing? If 10 and 11 were like that, surely there's a chance 12 will be?

Perhaps, we'll have to wait and see. But Dirt Showdown has not followed Dirt 2 & Dirt 3 with the same file structure so as F12010 followed D2 and F12011 followed D3 it just makes me wonder. As for not getting at the models are concerned, I just wonder whether it is because F12011 and F12012 will be written on the same graphics engine and therefore potentially may be interchangable to some extent, as F12010 and F12011 were written on different graphics engines so therefore had little chance of being interchangable. Who knows......just a thought.

Tom · Jun 3, 2012

Since this is related to F1 2012 I'll take the liberty and move this to the F1 2012 part of the forum. I've left a redirect, tho.

ML2166 · Jun 3, 2012

Tom Endres said:
Since this is related to F1 2012 I'll take the liberty and move this to the F1 2012 part of the forum. I've left a redirect, tho.

Blame Ryder he started it...........

Tom · Jun 3, 2012

ML2166 said:
Blame Ryder he started it...........

I don't want to blame anybody since you guys don't see much of the rest of RD, I believe! So it's only natural that you're staying in your usual habitat...the F1 2011 mods section!

ML2166 · Jun 3, 2012

Tom Endres said:
I don't want to blame anybody since you guys don't see much of the rest of RD, I believe! So it's only natural that you're staying in your usual habitat...the F1 2011 mods section!

I get around.....well travelled me.

Reddvers · Jun 4, 2012

I set up a Twitter account and sent my first ever tweet to T4RG4 asking if files to be locked on pc, meaning no modding.

This is a big step for me as I have just learnt how to use a mobile phone

Petar Tasev · Jun 4, 2012

haha, thanks @Reddvers. I still don't know how twitter works myself

Tom Endres said:
I don't want to blame anybody since you guys don't see much of the rest of RD, I believe! So it's only natural that you're staying in your usual habitat...the F1 2011 mods section!

Exactly why I put it in the 2011 section. Everyone that cares about modding F1 hangs out there and probably does not check here

Glen Kabis · Jun 5, 2012

Signed.. I do not understand these companies that are doing away with modding.

Phil Ciborowski · Jun 5, 2012

Glen Kabis said:
Signed.. I do not understand these companies that are doing away with modding.

IMO its because they think that their work is "the best" and shouldnt be improved..

hell just improving the quality of the skins helps the overall look of the game, idk why they would want to screw it up and lock/hide them..

Bram Hengeveld · Jun 5, 2012

Glen Kabis said:
Signed.. I do not understand these companies that are doing away with modding.

For some companies I do understand such a decision. However for F1 2012 this is not the case as it was clearly not affecting the F1 2011 sales either.

I have left a response on the CM forums as well (see quote below) and I truly hope Ryder & Co will have an answer soon. Lets hope its all based on a wrong assuption as I can't imagine that after all those years of modding the EGO engine they would throw it overboard

If they do it has to be related to the upcoming RaceNet (cheat prevention). But cheating can be prevented partly in so many other ways by for example adding...boring repetition *drum roll*.......dedicated servers, that check the files of the game before submitting any times to the leaderboards.

Seems that CM is stuck in their old fashioned way of Peer2Peer hosting.

Cheaters will always find a way to cheat. But cutting out one of the coolest parts of F1 gaming on PC, that is modding, would be terrible for tenths of thousands of pc gamers that have used and enjoyed it in the correct way.

Bram H;7363612 said:
After all the amazing work you guys have done for the past few years for the F1 2010 & 2011 community I think you guys deserve a clear answer on this one.

If the bin files are hidden I would like to hear a good explanation why that decision has been made.

Modding (game life extending) can affect sales for a yearly sold product that is the F1 series for sure but in the last few years that didn't happen. So I am really curious if this is either a wrong assumption of the OP or that you are on to something that can have disastrous consequences for the F1 modding community.