Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme Review

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Fanatec has launched a new Gran Turismo-licenced bundle for PC and Playstation, called the DD Extreme that includes the DD+ wheel base. Here’s our full hands-on review.

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The Fanatec ClubSport DD+ wheel base has probably had one of the most complicated launches ever.

Alleged delayed licence approvals, technical difficulties in the manufacturer’s Black Friday sale, even more delays and a resulting loss of confidence among many customers.

But finally, there is some movement. Today we can finally show you not only our review of the 15 Nm DD+ wheel base, which we have been testing for some time but also the bundle with the brand-new Gran Turismo Wheel for PlayStation 4 and 5.

Before we go any further, we should point out that this new bundle will work on PC too.

The whole thing is called the Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme and, according to the manufacturer, will be available to order and ready to launch from today in the USA, the EU and Australia. It currently states shipping will happen within four to seven days for the initial batch of orders.


What is the Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme?​

The second Gran Turismo-branded steering wheel by the 26-year-old German company is this time got its sights set much higher than the entry-level market of the existing DD Pro.

Paired with the ClubSport DD+ wheelbase, the new wheel is only available as part of the Gran Turismo DD Extreme bundle – available for $/€1,299.95 plus shipping and tax. Keep in mind, that some regions like the UK will incur additional import taxes outside of the EU.

Of course, the wheel base is also available as a stand-alone product, compatible with PC, PS4, PS5 and even Xbox. For the latter, an Xbox-licenced wheel is required.

The Fanatec Direct Drive range currently offers a torque range from 5Nm to 25Nm. The CSL product family, which also includes the existing Gran Turismo DD Pro bundle with 8Nm or 5Nm CSL DD, marks the entry point.

Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme vs DD Pro
Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme (left) vs DD Pro (right). Image: RaceDepartment

The ClubSport DD with 12Nm of force for €799 and the ClubSport DD+ with 15Nm for €999 now sit in the middle of the spectrum, just below the high-end 25Nm Podium Wheel Base DD2.

10-15 Nm servo motors seem to be the sweet spot in the sim racing market right now, so this wheel base was highly anticipated, especially as Fanatec claims the torque values for their new bases are constant as opposed to peak outputs.

If you are just looking for a PC wheelbase, the market is pretty crowded these days. The DD+ (and DD Extreme) compete with the likes of the Moza R12/R16, Simagic Alpha and Asetek La Prima for PC users.

If you are looking for a rival PlayStation-compatible wheel bundle that can output more than 10Nm, your only other choice right now would be the 11Nm Logitech G PRO for around $1000/€1100.

Included Contents​

While the 8 Nm DD Pro was a comparatively small, cute, cube, the ClubSport DD+ Base is perhaps understandably not as compact. It has grown considerably in length and width and weighs more than twice as much at 12.64 kg.

Fanatec wheel bases have a very unique design finished in diecast aluminium that follows a function. CS DD & DD+ have a sophisticated fanless cooling system, which contributes significantly to the constant torque performance, even during endurance use.

The bundle includes the new steering wheel, the DD+ base and Fanatec’s new quick release standard, QR2 (pedals sold separately). The ClubSport DD and ClubSport DD+ bases use the Type F QR2, which embeds the electronics in the shaft and is therefore more stable. Keep in mind that it is also possible to downgrade to a QR1 wheel side, in case you want to make your collection of QR1-equipped wheels work.

Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme packaging


Some experts may have noticed that the wheel comes with a QR2 Light Wheel-Side Adapter.

This is only rated for up to 8 Nm of torque. But, according to Fanatec, “the QR2 Lite Wheel-Side features a pin that causes certain Steering Wheels to be torque-limited on the ClubSport DD and Podium DD bases (matching the behaviour of the QR1 Lite Wheel-Side).

“However, the QR2 Lite Wheel-Side is far stronger than the QR1 Lite Wheel-Side and was designed in parallel with the Gran Turismo DD Extreme wheel. This means that this wheel does not have a torque limit with the QR2 Lite Wheel-Side, and therefore operates at the full 15 Nm of torque.“

Mounting on your sim rig’s plate is via T-nut sliders on the underside, which conveniently allows for some flexibility in positioning. However, it’s not suitable for front mounting as the front screw points are only for accessories such as dashboards.

All connections for power – USB, shifter, pedals or emergency stop – are at the back and there is also a CAN connection for future Fanatec products.

New Gran Turismo Wheel Hands-On​

At first glance, the DD Extreme’s steering wheel looks like the cheaper version from 2021.

But the quality and level of detail have been dramatically improved, designed in collaboration with the Gran Turismo developer Polyphony Digital and based on road-going sports and GT cars.

As a result, it’s circular without a flat bottom or yoke-style cut-off and wrapped in what’s described as ‘premium vegan leather’.

If the entry-level DD Pro wheel sometimes felt like grabbing hold of some plimsolls, then this is like a Hyundai N or Ford ST wheel by comparison, with a 300mm diameter rim and slight squash upon gripping the wheel that we felt exuded automotive-grade quality. It fits the theme very well, as you drive a lot of street cars in Gran Turismo.

Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme paddles and QR2


Around the rear are four paddles – two are magnetic for gearshifts, and the lower duo are for use as analogue clutches or even as the brake and throttle should pedals not be connected.

We think the aluminium paddle plates and satisfying magnetic shift action are night and day different to the plastic items on the existing Gran Turismo wheel – less of a toy and more of a sim racing product.

We can see the clutch paddles being ideal for those on PC, who will want to use these for the latest Assetto Corsa mod or Automobilista 2, but currently, there’s no way of using these to find your bite point within Gran Turismo 7 as the option within the control set-up does not exist.

On its face, there are 19 RGB LEDs which in our testing on Gran Turismo 7 were illumined in white, with game developers having the option to customise these in the future. For those on PC, they can be adjusted from the get-go through the FanaLab software.

Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme review coloured LEDs
Multi-coloured lights on PC. These are white-only on PlayStation presently

Speaking of developer input, there’s now a 2.7” OLED display which you can cycle through various telemetry readouts. Fanatec calls this system Intelligent Telemetry Mode (ITM), previously used on the Podium Button Module.

Well, in Gran Turismo 7 at present, it just displays your speed, but the hope is that platform creators can adapt this to match their specific game’s information. You can also access the Tuning Menu to adjust for example force feedback strength or the rotation up to 2520 degrees on the fly.

A key element is the seven-way FunkySwitch at the bottom left of the wheel, which can also act as a rotary encoder. When tested, it allowed us to quickly dial down settings such as traction control or brake bias on the fly.

Full Force Introduction​

Something that will be added later is the new ‘Full Force’ protocol, which on paper sounds rather similar to Logitech’s ‘Trueforce’. Full Force will supposedly allow for lower latency and much finer effects calculated at 16,000 Hz. The data points and effects used for this can be very individual for each sim racing title or game.

So far, we only tested the demo of this on iRacing at last year’s ADAC SimRacing Expo as the implementation is dependent on the platform developers. Consequently, Polyphony has yet to implement this in Gran Turismo 7 sadly.

The slider for the strength of the Full Force effect already exists in the wheelbase tuning settings, so you will be able to turn it off as well.

This not being available at launch, unfortunately, continues the story of delays and perhaps premature communication, same with the ITM not working in Gran Turismo yet.

Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme review

‘Extreme’ Experience​

The biggest upside to a device like this for someone who drives on both PC and Gran Turismo 7 is a lack of the annoying back-and-forth swap to another wheel base. And the second big step up is the increased torque of the motor.

When using a Moza R9, for example, you may need to crank up the in-game force feedback settings to feel the steering and effects properly, which can lead to clipping. That’s not the case with the DD Extreme (DD+), thankfully.

In terms of smoothness, driving feel and being constant even after being used for several hours, the DD+ is ideal for most use cases.

The main appeal is the feedback, and it always felt strong and detailed when driven with our most-used titles. iRacing, AC, ACC, AMS2, EA Sports WRC, DiRT Rally 2.0 and even older releases – all functioned without a problem thanks to the Fanatec SDK support.

Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme DD+ hands-on 03


FanaLab also has several presets and recommendations to begin with, offering detailed settings for advanced users to further fine-tune. The app looks outdated in 2024, but it does the job. We tested it in combination with ClubSport V3 pedals, a Moza HPB handbrake and the Fanatec ClubSport shifter plus the Podium module with the Porsche wheel.

With Gran Turismo 7 especially, the DD+ provided a revelatory experience.

With the DD Pro of a Thrustmaster TGT II, GT7 never felt serious. The DD+, however, takes it to another level. The cars are much more responsive. Behaviour is more authentic and adds a ton of immersion, making this by far the best console racing experience I have ever had.

The racing cars in particular are very sharp and a joy to steer into corners or over curbs. The presence of more force helps to create muscle memory, and this is a crucial element for consistent racing.

The Definitive GT7 Wheel Base, Soon…​

The Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme is certainly not cheap and Fanatec really needs to work on its fulfilment, timing, customer service and communication. But once you get your hands on this product, it is a transformative experience with a vibrant Fanatec ecosystem to further expand.

Yet, at the end of the review, on the day of the wheel’s release, there is still no Gran Turismo 7 update for the correct button mapping, we don’t know which developers will use Full Force, the lights or the display and the wheel is missing from the official Fanatec recommendations and support websites.

Let us hope that the relatively minor negative aspects (or, ‘potential’) mentioned are a thing of the past soon after launch, as the DD Extreme bundle delivers by far and away the best console driving experience to date, and the DD+ is an ideal mid-range direct drive device for PC sim racers too.

Do you like the sound of the Gran Turismo DD Extreme? Let us know in the comments below or discuss in our forum.

Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme Specifications At A Glance​

  • Includes Fanatec DD+ wheel base and Gran Turismo DD Extreme wheel with QR2 quick release
  • 300mm diameter wheel with five-way directional sticks, RGB LED rings, RGB RevLEDs and FlagLEDs, 2.7” OLED display and seven-way FunkySwitc
  • Magnetic shift paddles
  • Analogue clutch paddles
  • 15Nm of constant direct drive torque
  • FullForce protocol compatible
  • $/€1,299.95 (excluding shipping and tax)
About author
Michel Wolk
- Joined the OverTake crew in April 2022
- Sim Racing & content creation since 2012
- Petrolhead, Rally fan, Subie driver, Nordschleife addict, Poké Maniac, Gamer, 90's kid

Current Rig Setup:
- Sim-Lab P1X Pro Cockpit
- 3x ASUS TUF Gaming VG32VQR
- RTX 4080, AMD 5800X3D, 32GB RAM
- Fanatec ClubSport DD+
- ClubSport Pedals V3
- ClubSport Shifter SQ V 1.5
- Moza HBP Handbrake

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Its too bad they couldnt come up with a better QR solution in the beginning. That was one of the reasons I went to SC. These different QRs and torque limits sound like a headache Im glad I dont have to deal with.
 
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Interesting read, thanks RD.

DD based question though - putting the additional "force" effects and extra nM to one side for the moment, shouldn't all DD wheels otherwise essentially feel roughly the same as they're based on the same tech? I imagine there'd be a bit of difference due to driver / software variances, but the fundamentals should be the same right?

If you're happy with 8nM, which I imagine most would be, then spending a small fortune more over the regular GT DD for this Extreme version surely must be deeply in the realms of diminishing returns too?

I still use a CSL Elite and plan to get the GT DD 8nM one day mainly for the apparent quicker, sharper, more detailed FFB compared to my belt-drive's somewhat dulled feeling, but I'd hate to spend several hundred GBP more for that upgrade only to find out that it's somehow still lacking and that this GT DD Extreme would be the only way to have the full experience, whatever that may be(?)

As for the Extreme itself - to me, while the wheel / rim looks much better in terms of design, looks and materials compared to the now-old GT DD, the displays on it (REV LEDs and text) look like a rather flawed concept. Do / would people really look at their wheel for all that info while racing? I'm presuming that in both IRL and simracing all that info would be on the cars dashboard, so why put all that bumph on the wheel for (im)practicalities sake, and at extra manufacturing costs? The REV LEDs look a little too low in the wheel to be useful, and again who relies on these over sound anyway? Just seems like Fanatec are trying to appeal to the average GT / console racer demographics with "fancy features" as such, but all at a very enthusiastic price point.

Personally speaking I'd much rather be done away with all that to trim the price down to something ever-so-slightly more reasonable. Speaking of price, this isn't really that competitive when compared to Moza is it? Of course there's console compatibility and subsequent licensing fees to consider, but that's one hell of a mark-up just to play one (very inconsistent quality) exclusive title.

Besides, if you're spending all that money on simracing you could well be racing in VR too, in which case that readout tech is completely obsolete. My absolute "bottom tier" P1V2 wheel does the job (even in GT7) perfectly well for racing purposes for me. I'm not trying to hate on Fanatec as I like them, but I just don't fully get this Extreme product from both a business and consumer standpoint.
 
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Even with the delays in the product being able to be shipped.
Its going to release with no available title properly supporting its features.

I call that...

FULL FLAFF

When? 1 month, 3 months, by summer?
At the very least before people part with so much money, can they at least have an expected time frame or what titles in 2024 are expected to be supported.

Gees Fanatec come on.....
People are wary that it will be like Logitech and it get little to no support, and even with titles that do support this new feature. How its implemented is limited to how the user can actually tune or apply the haptics.

I just hope its worth the wait...
 
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Interesting read, thanks RD.

DD based question though - putting the additional "force" effects and extra nM to one side for the moment, shouldn't all DD wheels otherwise essentially feel roughly the same as they're based on the same tech? I imagine there'd be a bit of difference due to driver / software variances, but the fundamentals should be the same right?

If you're happy with 8nM, which I imagine most would be, then spending a small fortune more over the regular GT DD for this Extreme version surely must be deeply in the realms of diminishing returns too?

I still use a CSL Elite and plan to get the GT DD 8nM one day mainly for the apparent quicker, sharper, more detailed FFB compared to my belt-drive's somewhat dulled feeling, but I'd hate to spend several hundred GBP more for that upgrade only to find out that it's somehow still lacking and that this GT DD Extreme would be the only way to have the full experience, whatever that may be(?)

As for the Extreme itself - to me, while the wheel / rim looks much better in terms of design, looks and materials compared to the now-old GT DD, the displays on it (REV LEDs and text) look like a rather flawed concept. Do / would people really look at their wheel for all that info while racing? I'm presuming that in both IRL and simracing all that info would be on the cars dashboard, so why put all that bumph on the wheel for (im)practicalities sake, and at extra manufacturing costs? The REV LEDs look a little too low in the wheel to be useful, and again who relies on these over sound anyway? Just seems like Fanatec are trying to appeal to the average GT / console racer demographics with "fancy features" as such, but all at a very enthusiastic price point.

Personally speaking I'd much rather be done away with all that to trim the price down to something ever-so-slightly more reasonable. Speaking of price, this isn't really that competitive when compared to Moza is it? Of course there's console compatibility and subsequent licensing fees to consider, but that's one hell of a mark-up just to play one (very inconsistent quality) exclusive title.

Besides, if you're spending all that money on simracing you could well be racing in VR too, in which case that readout tech is completely obsolete. My absolute "bottom tier" P1V2 wheel does the job (even in GT7) perfectly well for racing purposes for me. I'm not trying to hate on Fanatec as I like them, but I just don't fully get this Extreme product from both a business and consumer standpoint.
On the first part of your post, I will say that the thing with DD technology, is that the removal of mechanical coupling makes all details come to the fore. Changing the steering wheel on the same base will yield a different FFB. Firmware makes a big difference. Weight of the shaft and its own inertia makes a big difference. Direct Drive is a world of its own.

Regarding this wheelbase: while I know that Sony and GT licenses add up to the price, I find it absurdly expensive. Unless you are the biggest Gran Turismo freak, it's pointless and out of reach. And if you are not even a console user, there and lots of better options. I just don't see the point of being a primarily console user and getting a DD, but that's my opinion only.
 
Fanatec sends out this newsletter without answering on any mails for the past three months after their black friday disaster! And all that without any communication whatsoever, they even shut down their hotline! Mindblowing. I really don‘t know what they are thinking but thats self destructive.
 
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Such a shame to see the wall of silence (with a couple of exceptions) from the race sim channels while fanatec spent months screwing over their costumers (still ongoing) , then they all burst into life to shill the latest product in a wave of marketing.

Bizarre to open up youtube this morning and my entire feed is just saturated with promotional videos for this crappy wheel. And many of them are channels I've never heard of, but there they are, front page with a fanatec advert video.
 
On the first part of your post, I will say that the thing with DD technology, is that the removal of mechanical coupling makes all details come to the fore. Changing the steering wheel on the same base will yield a different FFB. Firmware makes a big difference. Weight of the shaft and its own inertia makes a big difference. Direct Drive is a world of its own.
Thanks for your comments, and I get what you're saying (to an extent) but I still feel somewhat in the dark about exactly how big a difference it would be going from say the GT DD to the Extreme version. To get down to the basics of it, I'd really want to know the quantifiable difference, as that should be approximately measurable to someone with a good mathematical mind and analytical sense of feel. Not saying anything negative, but your summary reads like that difference would be night and day, with all factors combined leading to a radically different experience, but in my mind I'm still left rather sceptical.

I admittedly don't know of the technical makeup of DD so I don't even know what a "mechanical coupling" is referring to, but if the "old" GT DD has such a comparatively inferior system causing significant loss of information via translation, then that'd not only be a surprisingly massive design flaw, but would make for a substandard product, which I've not heard the GT DD to be.

Maybe the now old one is still great and the new one is astonishing (which it'd need to be for that ridiculous price) but numerically speaking it'd have to be at least 2x if not 3x an improvement to justify both the cost and just actually doing the upgrade, which is why I have my doubts.
 
Such a shame to see the wall of silence (with a couple of exceptions) from the race sim channels while fanatec spent months screwing over their costumers (still ongoing) , then they all burst into life to shill the latest product in a wave of marketing.

Bizarre to open up youtube this morning and my entire feed is just saturated with promotional videos for this crappy wheel. And many of them are channels I've never heard of, but there they are, front page with a fanatec advert video.
Of course, they can't upset their sugar daddy.
 
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SRG used to offer "Reviews" and while he may have charged a fee, as a service? (what some believe but I cannot confirm or deny). He never came across as a "promoter", that had his hands tied, via business/legal contract. Nor did it appear he was doing such for his own financial benefit or did it seem his YT channel was his primary means of income.

Some shame on the "influencers" their greed in all this.
Making reviews for a product that cannot yet even be properly reviewed.

Glad someone had a pair of big ones and some decency/backbone to highlight the problem with how things now are....


On Fanatecs part it seems a very poorly judged idea to promote this product prior to even getting people their orders several months delayed items delivered. How many gaffs can Fanatec make in a row?

Perhaps they will offer an upgrade for DD+ to DD Extreme or some from of compensation as its really sad to see customers being treated this way.
 
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Thanks for your comments, and I get what you're saying (to an extent) but I still feel somewhat in the dark about exactly how big a difference it would be going from say the GT DD to the Extreme version. To get down to the basics of it, I'd really want to know the quantifiable difference, as that should be approximately measurable to someone with a good mathematical mind and analytical sense of feel. Not saying anything negative, but your summary reads like that difference would be night and day, with all factors combined leading to a radically different experience, but in my mind I'm still left rather sceptical.

I admittedly don't know of the technical makeup of DD so I don't even know what a "mechanical coupling" is referring to, but if the "old" GT DD has such a comparatively inferior system causing significant loss of information via translation, then that'd not only be a surprisingly massive design flaw, but would make for a substandard product, which I've not heard the GT DD to be.

Maybe the now old one is still great and the new one is astonishing (which it'd need to be for that ridiculous price) but numerically speaking it'd have to be at least 2x if not 3x an improvement to justify both the cost and just actually doing the upgrade, which is why I have my doubts.
Well, within a brand, and specially those who seem to share more in the design (beginning with the CSL and ending with this one), the differences will be smaller, as firmware evolutions will apply to all models, and you will can use most rims in-between them. The differences will be in your rim of choice, and the dynamic range provided by the torque capabilities of the base, where in my opinion you need to go above 15 Nm to enter the diminishing returns territory.
 
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If you follow the link at the header from RD to Fanatec's website, you'll find a few 404 pages and links that run in circles, like bundle configurator.
Hard to take that seriously.
 
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If you follow the link at the header from RD to Fanatec's website, you'll find a few 404 pages and links that run in circles, like bundle configurator.
Hard to take that seriously.
All seems to be working for me
 

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