2023 Formula One Canadian Grand Prix

paracletus said:

The better cars get heat in the tyres quicker, and the aero advantage does also show in the rain.
The driver matters more in the wet, but the car is still of paramount importance.

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Absolutely, but the team strategies of when to go out matter as much as the driver in the wet, although Checo is in a bit of a slump now and Danny's waiting for another go.

Race day. Outside it looks like it will be a grey day, overcast but no rain. Temperatures are below average for this time of year. Right now, it's only 15 celsius. It supposed to get up to 20 celsius, no more. That's early summer in Montreal: you never know what you'll get.

Nitro McClean said:

A refreshing delay in the app, now I can see it. Agter reading the comments from the stewards, This is ridiculous. Hulkenberg has slowed down, but the stewards have seen that he was not doing exactly right according to their rules. Therefore not 10 but 3 places. What Sainz did was dangerous. He also only gets 3 places for that. He even did it twice, in Q1 and Q3, then he should actually get 6 spots. If I had to decide, Sainz would start at the back.

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I would have put Sainz at the back of the grid. He looked like a rookie yesterday. He was in the way of other drivers at least twice and the incident with Gasly was very dangerous.

Disappointed for Hulk. It would have been cool to see him on the front row. I guess Gunther dropped a few F-bombs when he was told about the penalty.

Happy Father's Day to the dads of Race Department and Rubens Barrichello! First P1 for his son at Cascavel and he's crying rivers of joy.

I was delighted to see Leclerc is wearing a tribute helmet to my racing hero, Gilles Villeneuve. I wish him the best today!

Here we go, happy racing all!

Bram Hengeveld said:

Here we go, happy racing all!

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And suddenly, the sun has appeared for the first time in 3 days! Enjoy the race, folks!

this is the worst broadcast of a race ive ever seen, we have interview blog corner talking about themselves and the stream of the race

paracletus said:

The better cars get heat in the tyres quicker, and the aero advantage does also show in the rain.
The driver matters more in the wet, but the car is still of paramount importance.

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you forgot Stefan Bellof in the under powered Tyrell in raining Monaco 1984
If it was? Where was Perez?

Good race Albon very enjoy him, driver of the day!!
Happy for Alonso
Mad Max 41e victory same as the great Ayrton Senna
100 victory Redbull

Would've loved to've seen some more classic Canada chaos, in the end, decent race

Get in Albono Chuffed with that result.

Quite a good race, with nice fights and overtakes, oh and alonso vs. hamilton mmh .. anyway, the most "difficult" win for max so far, aston, mercedes and ferrari are closing in on red bull a bit, which is also proved by checo's poor performance i dare say.. like someone said, if there were two checos in the red bull, we would have different drivers and cars to win races.

DRS didn't help those following Albon one bit ... Big Al deserves a shot at a proper race seat in 2024.

Eric Rowland said:

DRS didn't help those following Albon one bit ... Big Al deserves a shot at a proper race seat in 2024.

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Yeah, that Williams is slippery, but Alex did everything right in the braking and traction zones... well done matey,

muzikant said:

In the Rain like yesterday is all about driver skills. Perez think he can beat Max but Perez is a Gérard Berger. Eddy Irvine... kind of driver

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I didn't even mention MV, but you try to tell us with your first reply "in wet conditions it's all about driver skill".
That's incorrect.

The fact is, as I said - even in full wet conditions the car does matter a great deal, especially with these high aero modern cars.
The amount of heat in the tyres is absolutely critical, in dry or indeed wet conditions.

We know there have always been good driver/team performances, placing cars above their usual position; very recent example:
Lance Stroll - Pole position Turkey (wet)

paracletus said:

The better cars get heat in the tyres quicker, and the aero advantage does also show in the rain.
The driver matters more in the wet, but the car is still of paramount importance.

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Except that RBR's main problem is the difficulty to put heat on the tyres, hence why the gap towards the rest widens in races compared to qualys. His pole yesterday was about lining up first before the rest in the pitlane, and getting the best conditions.

paracletus said:

I didn't even mention MV, but you try to tell us with your first reply "in wet conditions it's all about driver skill".
That's incorrect.

The fact is, as I said - even in full wet conditions the car does matter a great deal, especially with these high aero modern cars.
The amount of heat in the tyres is absolutely critical, in dry or indeed wet conditions.

We know there have always been good driver/team performances, placing cars above their usual position; very recent example:
Lance Stroll - Pole position Turkey (wet)

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All that mith that: "ThE RaIn Is ThE gReAt EqUaLiZeR" has to die. It is one of the most wrong miths on F1. The races on the wet are won by drivers that are great on the wet and a car with a good amount of downforce that can put heat on the tires. Most of the time the fastest car on the grid on dry conditions is also the fastest on the wet, and also most of the time the fastest car on the dry is driven by a lead driver that is great on the wet. The best car-driver combination keeps winning on the wet, the key part is that the competitive order on wet conditions not always correlate with the dry conditions competitive order, and even setups and timing can greatly change the competitive order.

A car that on dry conditions is easy on tires is a car that doesn't put heat on the tires, so if it rains it is going to tend to struggle more than a car that tends to overheat the tire in dry conditions, specially if the drivers of that car aren't good on wet. But if the car has a massive aero advantage or a massive engine power advantage (they can run higher downforce even if it is more ineficient aero because the extra power can overcame the drag) they can overcome tire heating issues if those are not massive

A car with dissastrous suspension kinematics on the dry sometimes can make absolute magic on the wet by virtue of putting heat on the tires. But for that you need a driver that can drive that car hard enough to keep the tire temperatures, if the driver is tame the temperatures lower, the grip lowers and the driver keeps getting slower because of it. The 1996 ferrari is a fine example of that, or the ducatis that Valentino Rossi was incapable to get near the top 4 on the dry, that magically were on the pace on the wet despite Rossi being just very good but not legendary level on wet conditions is another fine example.

Lance Stroll made that pole position because he was driving a carbon-copy of the dominating WCC winning chassis of the previous year and his team strategist put him on the track with the right set of tires with the right amount of time to heat them when the amount of rain was perfect and RB changed the tires with a bad timing that not gave the car the right amount of time to heat up the tires enough when the conditions were at their best.

Let's not forget that until that point in time Verstappen was annihilating time after time the entire grid in all that qualifying session up to that point. And out of nowhere he lost pace at the key moment. He was annihilating the grid until that point because his car was heating the tires better, the Mercedes had a miserably session because they couldn't put the tires on temperature. Mercedes was by far the faster car by far that year, the kindest on tires on the dry, and Lewis knows a thing or two about how to extract all from a car in the wet, and despite that he struggled on the wet.

Drivers also make a difference in putting heat on the tires, let's remember that Verstappen and Ricciardo had the exact same tire selection at the end of the 2016 Brazilian GP and Ricciardo was overtaken and left behind. Schumacher won so many wet races with his team mate nowhere near him.

Drivers make a difference, but cars and setups too, it is the same as in dry conditions. The difference is that the competitive order between cars, setups and drivers changes on the wet wildly on occasion. That is the reason behind all those races that are being being so over-hyped that now people think of them as legendary.

We can even go further with it, sometimes the same car with the same driver can work incredibly well on intermediate rain conditions and fail on full wets despite the driver being great on wet conditions, china 2006 is a fine example of that, both Schumacher and Alonso are great wet drivers in closely matched cars on the dry, but depending of the amount of water one of them was annihilating the other on the same race.

paracletus said:

I didn't even mention MV, but you try to tell us with your first reply "in wet conditions it's all about driver skill".
That's incorrect.

The fact is, as I said - even in full wet conditions the car does matter a great deal, especially with these high aero modern cars.
The amount of heat in the tyres is absolutely critical, in dry or indeed wet conditions.

We know there have always been good driver/team performances, placing cars above their usual position; very recent example:
Lance Stroll - Pole position Turkey (wet)

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Like Ayrton Senna in Donnington gp with a weak mc Laren Ford custumer engine vs the superior Prost Williams engine in that year not agree with you.. driving in the Rain is more a skill than how good is the car

If you look at Red Bull as a team, they have a good car. But you see that Pérez does not drive everyone away in that car. Max does, and he does, because he can get all the performance out of the car at the right times, even when it's difficult. He's basically the dominating factor in a Red Bull car that's good. But the car itself doesn't make the difference, I think Max makes the difference.'

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