2022 Formula One British Grand Prix

muzikant said:

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This put a smile on my face when this happened. Had flashbacks of my favourite drive of Max's, Brazil 2016. The lad has supreme car control at times.

CMGARAGE said:

I can only go off what you publically post and it seems to follow a pattern. I believe you, amongst other regulars, have mentioned him in every thread this year. It's easy not to talk about if you really try, you can't blame the BIG BAD British Media for that. So I personally found your claim that he simply doesn't concern you laughable. Same as everyone that gets in a tiz when GOATs are mentioned. And when it's pointed out no-one in the thread has mentioned the word the usual suspects go on about putting the record straight because they'll be someone on twitter saying it. Go argue with them on there.

I mean tbf, I don't know muzikant on any personal level but I absolutely know what they're going to reply most of the time, and could have telegraphed that he's giving you a like for your post. Anything pro-Max or anti Hamilton and he gives out a free gift. I think he's given out more likes than the population of the Netherlands. Because they do it... every single thread. I'd argue he's more of a squatter though.

If you're going on multiple rants about the blokes jewelery (one to moan he hasn't removed it then another when he does) he absolutly is living there rent free. In fact, it seems he's dining out there. I can totally understand why people don't want to engage in the discussion here when the quality often devolves into conspiratorial rants of things normally happening off track.

I won't be surprised if I get more replies to the first part of my original post than the actual F1 content the way discussion go here.

Anyway, enjoy the race lads. I'll leave you all to pat each other on the back and pretend that you don't care about Hamilton. God help us if he starts winning races again.

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Richard is right in the sense that everything in F1 is directed by sky sports…and the old bunch of people.
And Lewis was their god and Max was immature..Crashstappen

yes I am Dutch, even if I was a Brazilian I would still have enjoyed Max
As a person I just like him just as much more as someone who acts like a super star.
The young guys..Leclerc,Norris, Verstappen they don't act like a super star hope it stays that way

CMGARAGE said:

I can only go off what you publically post and it seems to follow a pattern. I believe you, amongst other regulars, have mentioned him in every thread this year. It's easy not to talk about if you really try, you can't blame the BIG BAD British Media for that. So I personally found your claim that he simply doesn't concern you laughable. Same as everyone that gets in a tiz when GOATs are mentioned. And when it's pointed out no-one in the thread has mentioned the word the usual suspects go on about putting the record straight because they'll be someone on twitter saying it. Go argue with them on there.

I mean tbf, I don't know muzikant on any personal level but I absolutely know what they're going to reply most of the time, and could have telegraphed that he's giving you a like for your post. Anything pro-Max or anti Hamilton and he gives out a free gift. I think he's given out more likes than the population of the Netherlands. Because they do it... every single thread. I'd argue he's more of a squatter though.

If you're going on multiple rants about the blokes jewelery (one to moan he hasn't removed it then another when he does) he absolutly is living there rent free. In fact, it seems he's dining out there. I can totally understand why people don't want to engage in the discussion here when the quality often devolves into conspiratorial rants of things normally happening off track.

I won't be surprised if I get more replies to the first part of my original post than the actual F1 content the way discussion go here.

Anyway, enjoy the race lads. I'll leave you all to pat each other on the back and pretend that you don't care about Hamilton. God help us if he starts winning races again.

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You seem awfully worried about what me or muzikant do around here Maybe indeed you should not come here for a bit, it seems the lack of results is really making you cranky.

And as for my "rants", if i really wanted to rant, i had a lot of material this week, specially the disgusting attack that the british media did on Verstappen for not saying what they think was the "right answer" to all that drama that didn't concern him, including this beautifull piece of "jornalism":


But no, this is all in my head right

Here’s what 24-year-old Verstappen said. ‘I’ve spent a bit of time with Nelson and he’s definitely not a racist. He’s actually a really nice and relaxed guy. That word can be interpreted two ways and people pick up on the bad side and, of course, it gets really blown out of proportion.

‘People label him a racist, which I don’t think he is. It’s better to open a conversation than to ban people. You are not helping the situation by doing that. It’s not helping what you are trying to enforce, it’s better to chat. I don’t think he should be banned from the paddock — especially as he’s a three-time world champion.’"

He more or less excuses it, brushes it under the carpet.

And in what why does it not concern him? A fellow driver and human being was racially abused, should that not concern him?


and Lewis/ Toto on the booing:

Hamilton, who has been booed at various times all over the world, called for his supporters to show his vanquisher more respect. 'We are better than that and we don't need to do the booing,' said the Mercedes man.

'Our sporting fans feel ups and downs of emotion but I definitely don't agree with booing. I do really appreciate the support I have here. Maybe some of them are still feeling the pain from last year.' Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff chimed in, saying: 'Booing is abusive. Emotion as a fan is good. But there is a similar limit which we shouldn't overstep'

I remember Max saying something similar before the Dutch GP last year................nope, he didn't, more or less gave the green light for the booing.

Taj Johal said:

Here’s what 24-year-old Verstappen said. ‘I’ve spent a bit of time with Nelson and he’s definitely not a racist. He’s actually a really nice and relaxed guy. That word can be interpreted two ways and people pick up on the bad side and, of course, it gets really blown out of proportion.

‘People label him a racist, which I don’t think he is. It’s better to open a conversation than to ban people. You are not helping the situation by doing that. It’s not helping what you are trying to enforce, it’s better to chat. I don’t think he should be banned from the paddock — especially as he’s a three-time world champion.’"

He more or less excuses it, brushes it under the carpet.

And in what why does it not concern him? A fellow driver and human being was racially abused, should that not concern him?


and Lewis/ Toto on the booing:

Hamilton, who has been booed at various times all over the world, called for his supporters to show his vanquisher more respect. 'We are better than that and we don't need to do the booing,' said the Mercedes man.

'Our sporting fans feel ups and downs of emotion but I definitely don't agree with booing. I do really appreciate the support I have here. Maybe some of them are still feeling the pain from last year.' Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff chimed in, saying: 'Booing is abusive. Emotion as a fan is good. But there is a similar limit which we shouldn't overstep'

I remember Max saying something similar before the Dutch GP last year................nope, he didn't, more or less gave the green light for the booing.

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What does that have to do with you, or anybody else actually?

What does it matter what he thinks personally of Nelson Piquet? He knows him better than you and me at least, but even so, what does it matter? If he believes Piquet is not a racist, thats his opinion, or he can't have his opinion now?

Max also said he was fully behind Lewis, and that these things should not happen, so is that not enough? Should he "terminate" his relationship with the Piquet family too?

Should we also ask Verstappen what he thinks about anything bad that happens around the world? Why nobody asked him if he thinks Vips is a hardcore racist too? Should he also quit Red Bull because it had Vips under it's wing?...


As for the booing, you are conveniently forgetting what Verstappen said today:

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Red Bull star calls on Dutch fans not to boo Hamilton​

Verstappen then added that he hopes Dutch fans at his home race, in Zandvoort, do not boo Hamilton in the same manner.

"I hope that Zandvoort will not react this way," he continued.

"It does not bother me at all, so it is not necessary for me either. It does not necessarily give me extra strength.

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So yes, some green light right. Let's then see if the british "fans" stop the booing.

A sport at least somewhat based on Nationalities is upset when fans of one Nation boo a driver from another Nation? Are we supposed to clap politely? Are Franco fans supposed to support a German driver? A Brazilian? In America, we have favorites and the not-so-favorite. We do not treat them the same. Watch a Nascar event when one of the Busch Brothers acts up. I don't cheer for American drivers(due to a lack thereof) but I am more of a Brand fan.
I was first exposed to Nascar around the age of 10 or so. (I live in the Pacific NW, about a far from Nascarland as Russia) But I was a fan of Richard Petty because he drove Dodge & Plymouth cars(the Marvelous Superbird!!!!) ,

when he left Dodge/Plymouth brand and started racing a Ford, that was it for me. No more King Richard. (til he came back...lol)
So I would expect some fans in some countries might boo a competitor from another region, but I would also expect the SuperGiNormous salaries said athletes/drivers earn should provide a buffer to delicate feelings. If the FIA won't let fans boo, then certainly they should NEVER let them cheer, nor preform the Wave or never ever ever let Italian fans swarm the Monza circuit if a Ferrari wins(with or without an Italian driver)

muzikant said:

Richard is right in the sense that everything in F1 is directed by sky sports…and the old bunch of people.
And Lewis was their god and Max was immature..Crashstappen

yes I am Dutch, even if I was a Brazilian I would still have enjoyed Max
As a person I just like him just as much more as someone who acts like a super star.
The young guys..Leclerc,Norris, Verstappen they don't act like a super star hope it stays that way

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Richard would be right if the point he was making was that a British broadcaster had a bias towards a British sports personality. I wonder why they are postive towards George and Lando too? He's not though, he's using them as a paranoid bogeyman arguement like they're some nefarious organisation pulling ALL the strings or at least have enough clout to influence things. I'd be amazed if they had enough pull to, at best, interfere with the scheduling. Sky love one thing more than a British driver, the drama. They LOVE the controversy of last season, despite the result because it's generated eyes on their content. They'll at best try to stir it but the drama is based of real things happening outside of Sky's direct control.


'but, but, the British media!' is such a tired, lazy arguement. It seems a regular crutch at RD though. Feel free to continue to make it. Or at least build a time machine to travel back in time 20+ years to when it'd hold more water.

As exciting as it is to think the Sky broadcast is being pumped out as some backdoor method of influencing the vulnerable minds of a global audience I'd suggest it's probably alot more mundane and less sinister and more likely it's just economically or logistically more viable for the rights holders.

I'm not sure who you're referring to by 'the old bunch' but the actual decision making has moved to the Liberty side of things AFAIK; which to my knowledge would not share interest with Sky etc directly. Perhaps you are mixing things up with the Ecclestone era? I appreciate that due to the way broadcasting works some of you (probably alot) are lumped with our coverage but I'd be very surprised if those lucky enough to have a regional broadcast available aren't subjected to national bias. I've heard stories from Dutch fans that aspects of your media are not always exactly nuetral in their coverage; and that's fine.
I can only apologise for Crofty on behalf of all of us though!

As a Brit who has had the privilege of seeing multiple British WDC I am chuffed your nation has been able to see one of your countrymen lift the trophy. I'd be lying if I wished it'd of been in less, shall we say, contentious circumstances but I ain't gonna hate someone for supporting 'their' guy.

Richard Wilks said:

You seem awfully worried about what me or muzikant do around here Maybe indeed you should not come here for a bit, it seems the lack of results is really making you cranky.

And as for my "rants", if i really wanted to rant, i had a lot of material this week, specially the disgusting attack that the british media did on Verstappen for not saying what they think was the "right answer" to all that drama that didn't concern him, including this beautifull piece of "jornalism":

MARTIN SAMUEL: Verstappen's reaction to Piquet's slur is a disgrace

MARTIN SAMUEL: Max Verstappen had a chance. He had the chance to show Hamilton he was not alone in F1, had a chance to make a stand for a different way of doing things. He rejected that.

www.dailymail.co.uk

But no, this is all in my head right

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Whats that line from Godfather Part 3 I'm looking for?

Seriously though

That's your smoking gun gotcha?! (I'll skip the latest childish attempt at 'I know are but what am I?!') You were sat on that with your knuckles white from those clenched fists and your lip you were biting because you wanted to let the world know at how bad and manipulative the British Media were but you were just that principled you couldn't say anything until someone called you out...and that's it.

Thats why you came out the gate swinging?

You really tend to drop the ball with your gotchas.

Ignoring the fact you just picked a trash tabloid rag like the DM how does that prove your point about the British Media? The gloves are off because they wrote a strongly worded opinion piece about Max? The bloke hasn't been pinned down and forced to apologise by a bunch of British journos; he's not been 'cancelled'.

For someone trying to make a labored point the Hamilton is always playing victim you're doing a lot of projecting yourself, there. Poor Max, can't even stick up for his racist father-in-law* without the whole weight of England on him.

As Taj pointed out above Max, in his own words, seem to excuse Piquet in the same breath he condemned his language. Coupled with what seemed like a slow response from RB in general (the same team that had to take to twitter to tell their own fans to cool the abuse after last years race), and the Vips incident etc I don't think it was that controversial to ask the question; is enough being done to address this?

Max wasn't singled out for this btw, lot's of drivers and teams gave a reaction as the story unfolded. Again it was a lack of initial reaction that shined the extra spotlight when it was inevitably bought up this weekend, and Max has a close connection to the story.

If you choose to get your news from the Daily Mail that's on you. Might be healthier to diversify your consumption of media if it's getting to you this much.

To my knowledge the global might of neither Sky or the Daily Mail forced F1s hand to ban Piquet from the paddock; they read the room and thought Racism=out, bouncy cars=in. I don't think they did a twitter poll on it to decide, either.

Results are in for the Canada DOTD though, it's...... Jolyon Palmer?!

Guys enough of the personals, get back on topic and leave the drama to the professionals.

I hope this drama then comes from battles on the track instead of ‘battles from the ‘pits’. One of the things I have become to hate over the past few years are all these political statements where the sport is used as a means to express political statements. And that is not only an F1 thing, but common around more sports. When I want to get more involved in these political issues, I will watch the news or talkshows on TV. When I watch sports… I just want to watch sports en enjoy!

CMGARAGE said:

I can only go off what you publically post and it seems to follow a pattern. I believe you, amongst other regulars, have mentioned him in every thread this year. It's easy not to talk about if you really try, you can't blame the BIG BAD British Media for that. So I personally found your claim that he simply doesn't concern you laughable. Same as everyone that gets in a tiz when GOATs are mentioned. And when it's pointed out no-one in the thread has mentioned the word the usual suspects go on about putting the record straight because they'll be someone on twitter saying it. Go argue with them on there.

I mean tbf, I don't know muzikant on any personal level but I absolutely know what they're going to reply most of the time, and could have telegraphed that he's giving you a like for your post. Anything pro-Max or anti Hamilton and he gives out a free gift. I think he's given out more likes than the population of the Netherlands. Because they do it... every single thread. I'd argue he's more of a squatter though.

If you're going on multiple rants about the blokes jewelery (one to moan he hasn't removed it then another when he does) he absolutly is living there rent free. In fact, it seems he's dining out there. I can totally understand why people don't want to engage in the discussion here when the quality often devolves into conspiratorial rants of things normally happening off track.

I won't be surprised if I get more replies to the first part of my original post than the actual F1 content the way discussion go here.

Anyway, enjoy the race lads. I'll leave you all to pat each other on the back and pretend that you don't care about Hamilton. God help us if he starts winning races again.

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and anything pro Lewis and Anti max seems to get the same people liking posts...and?

I think the F1 fan world has been going the wrong way for years. I remember the days of Villeneuve vs Prioni controversy or Prost vs Senna rivalry in France; even if there was some patriotic bias many people sided with Villeneuve or Senna; and anyway boing the foreign guy was never an option. As far as I remember (but I may be wrong because that was on tv for me) the English crowds didn't boo Piquet or Schumacher either even when they played it nasty against English opponents.

Unlike in stadiums, booing in F1 does not bring any support to your favorite driver, it's just an expression of hate - as if social media hadn't enough of it and were supposed to tell the way to behave nowadays...

LeSunTzu said:

I think the F1 fan world has been going the wrong way for years. I remember the days of Villeneuve vs Prioni controversy or Prost vs Senna rivalry in France; even if there was some patriotic bias many people sided with Villeneuve or Senna; and anyway boing the foreign guy was never an option. As far as I remember (but I may be wrong because that was on tv for me) the English crowds didn't boo Piquet or Schumacher either even when they played it nasty against English opponents.

Unlike in stadiums, booing in F1 does not bring any support to your favorite driver, it's just an expression of hate - as if social media hadn't enough of it and were supposed to tell the way to behave nowadays...

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you can no longer compare the past with today!

Multi media Internet is the cause of this, but Sky sport is not holy there either with last year's merry christmas joke. That was just bad!! They have to take their responsibility.
and do not encourage this kind of behavior!!


Things don't happen by themselves, reading articles about these kinds of things means advertising and income

now again with Piquet. The elderly of us know that Piquet is quite rough.. what does it have to do with Max Verstappen? He just wants to race and is far away from this kind of bullshit.

Let's race today and enjoy the championship

Taj Johal said:

so you're allowed to wear wedding rings, crucifixes but not nose studs. What's the difference between these pieces of jewelry?

Only Lewis has the nose stud.

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Wrong!
You're pushing the victim rhetoric again. All rings and crucifixes are not allowed, it would be the same if Bottas wanted to wear a headscarf that is made of a material that can catch fire, as a random example.

All drivers should be treated the same. But matter of fact, Lewis has got a bespoke exemption for his accessories no one else has had before.

Speaking of jewelry, please check out his new signature watches! You can participate in helping the poor guy swap his s***box Pagani Zonda to something better.

LeSunTzu said:

I think the F1 fan world has been going the wrong way for years. I remember the days of Villeneuve vs Prioni controversy or Prost vs Senna rivalry in France; even if there was some patriotic bias many people sided with Villeneuve or Senna; and anyway boing the foreign guy was never an option. As far as I remember (but I may be wrong because that was on tv for me) the English crowds didn't boo Piquet or Schumacher either even when they played it nasty against English opponents.

Unlike in stadiums, booing in F1 does not bring any support to your favorite driver, it's just an expression of hate - as if social media hadn't enough of it and were supposed to tell the way to behave nowadays...

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The boo was huge to Verstappen, plus too much pressure and side stories that doesn't have anything to do with cars and racing.

But how can you tell if all this has an effect on drivers? If you have been to a football match you'll find out that athletes and referees learn go on without even giving an ear to all that huge and scary hooliganism from the audience.

Kenny Paton said:

Guys enough of the personals, get back on topic and leave the drama to the professionals.

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^This, thank you. Any chance these threads could be cleaned up a bit?

On a racing related note -- I have to say, the halo has once again proved its worth after just seeing how it protected a driver from serious injury, or worse, in the F2 race.
Those stupid "sausage kerb" things have to be consigned to the dumpster, enough is enough. Extremely dangerous!

BP said:

I came here to mention I'm happy for Latifi finally making it to Q3, and in the rain no less at Silverstone (and now Carlos on pole! amazing!)...but WOW at the first page...If this is what the comments are gonna be like this weekend, I'm just gonna avoid this thread from now (sorry to say, as I like talking about the race with supposed racing fans).

Can't deal with people with that much prejudice in their mind over one driver, no matter the circumstance...a driver is called a racial slur and people will make it all about attacking the cursed individual and his character (or find something to harp on like the jewelry situation) and not about the guy doing the insults, all because it's Hamilton...I guess he "deserves" it in the minds of some of you. I can't with you people, seriously...for those who are so quick to say "it's not about race"...here's an actual situation about race and you still attack Hamilton relentlessly. Some inner reflection would do a lot of you some good...have a great weekend, folks.

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Sad that you cancelled everyone of us.

Some of us are real car enthusiasts. And it makes us sad that you say otherwise.

Sad that you left before you hear the rest of us agreeing with you.
And even trying to make their voices heard about Latifi getting death threats FOR HAVING LEBANESE IRANIAN origins.

Sad that neither you nor the millions said anything when Mahaveer was made to look like a joke and a meme among F1 fans, starting from his Indian accent and not ending with the way he moves his head.

I care about Hamilton. I think he is a nice driver (who knows if honest or playing compassion game, I just see him as nice at times). And he is a GREAT driver. And my dream is that he gives me the honor of an hour of practice.

But again, this doesn't mean that he's privileged or that he matters more than everybody else, eastern or western, old "archaic" or young.

Sad that you left and you won't listen to this.



BIG EDIT: I have only finished reading CMGARAGE two VERY LONG posts and there is a third, longer one, and there is a third page. It's almost impossible at this point to read everything, so god knows, but in short it sounds personal about two members, namely about silencing them. And maybe he wants to ask everyone to leave RD in the next comments page.
What is that mate? So surprising! to say the least. Let everyone say what he wants mate. It's the F1 weekend now.

About Russel trying to stay in the race after we thought he was out of tee race:
Anyone knows what the rules say about if a driver jumps out of his car then comes back to sit into it and drive off again?

Update: He seems he wasn't able to come back anyway.

nvm, dumb comment

Truth to be said:

Current F1 drivers cause less race start incidents than what I remember in previous decades.

About Russel, that's lack of experience for you. Yes we saw a lot of drivers checking or helping other drivers and even fighting with them in the past, but not on the cost of their own race.. NOT while they still can drive their car!

About the grid arrangement. Will be as it finished (which is more likely)? Or the changes done won't count?

About Leclerc and Hamilton after the yellow and red flag, I say I humbly say that I saw the incident live and noted it before the FIA. Not bragging.

Whoa, one of the worst crashes I've seen in a long time...