2022 Formula One Austrian Grand Prix

Damage Inc · Jul 8, 2022

Richard Wilks said:
“I think we just need to speak more to the fans that cheering when a car is in the wall or booing for a driver that gives an interview, it’s not what we would do with our competitors and enemies even though you can think we would have some animosity out there,” Wolff said.

“No one should actually do it. We need to collectively with F1, with you guys [the media] educate people.”

Really mister Toto? I don't remember you being so shocked about this last year, were you?...

So now F1 needs to educate the fans...

yeah it's all a tad hypocritical after Silverstone '21.

Bram Hengeveld · Jul 8, 2022

Richard Wilks said:
Are you new to the sport or something? Cheering when a rival crashes out or has a problem has been going on for decades. You can hear over Murray Walker even the cheers of the tiffosi when Senna retired at Monza 88...

Now i am not saying it's right or wrong, but it's hardly anything new.

Even if they did it a hundreds years ago, i still think it doesn't belong on a track. People who scream their lungs out celebrating when a driver crashes is not a fan of the sport.

Zolazem · Jul 8, 2022

Bram Hengeveld said:
Even if they did it a hundreds years ago, i still think it doesn't belong on a track. People who scream their lungs out celebrating when a driver crashes is not fan of the sport.

That’s why Lewis not celebrated his win last year at Silverstone…

Jason Chamberlain · Jul 8, 2022

Bram Hengeveld said:
Even if they did it a hundreds years ago, i still think it doesn't belong on a track. People who scream their lungs out celebrating when a driver crashes is not fan of the sport.

I think it's pretty natural in the moment to cheer until you see what's going on. If I were a Lewis fan, I would have cheered when Max went off at Copse last year until I saw the shunt. Then I would have got quiet until he got on the radio to confirm he was OK.

Booing and cheering seems like a pretty natural part of sports to me. Then again, I live in the States. Folks at Fenway Park will boo a player if he has even the slightest association with the Yankees. When the Braves would go to Shea Stadium, Chipper Jones would say something to the fans if they didn't taunt him with his real name "Larry." He'd ask, "Y'all aren't going to give me a 'Larry?'" He obviously didn't like that name since he went by "Chipper," but he rolled with them.

Closer to where I live, the Duke basketball fans seem to know what the UNC players' girlfriends had for lunch that day and they will come up with taunts based on that. I think that the UNC players would be surprised if they didn't do that.

The best athletes feed off the boos as much as the cheers because they understand what it's all about. If I were a driver and heard cheers when I had a shunt in qualy I'd come out to the race with the attitude of, "You want to boo me? I'll give you a reason to boo me when I'm on the podium."

LeSunTzu · Jul 8, 2022

Slapped said:
Booing and cheering have been part of sport since day one. It's all part of human nature.

Unfortunately I see an absolute nightmare coming where we'll all be forced to watch all sporting events without displaying so much as a sliver of an emotion for fear of offending somebody else.

I'm not going to part of this. If I want to boo, then I'll boo, If I want to cheer then I'll cheer and no other idiot is going to tell me otherwise. End of.

There used to be sports where this was bad manners. F1 was one of them. Even if it becomes the 21st century standard, booing a crash will always be utterly stupid.

Scottt · Jul 8, 2022

While I don't think it's right to cheer when a driver crashes, especially before it's apparent he's okay; I don't have an issue with the boo's at all. If anything, take it as a complement that the fans think you are good enough to be booed for just showing up. And at the end of the day, the fans showed up and paid their entrance fee; there is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to be heard.

Nobody booed Nikita Mazepin for just showing up.

As Reggie Jackson said:

Now, when we go into a park on the road people start booing me. You don't know how good that makes me feel. To me it means the fans recognize who I am and what I mean to my ball club. Fans don't boo nobodies

Slapped · Jul 8, 2022

LeSunTzu said:
There used to be sports where this was bad manners. F1 was one of them. Even if it becomes the 21st century standard, booing a crash will always be utterly stupid.

Booing a crash is fine as it demonstrates the desire on the part of the audience for the crash not to have happened.

LeSunTzu · Jul 8, 2022

Jason Chamberlain said:
I think it's pretty natural in the moment to cheer until you see what's going on. If I were a Lewis fan, I would have cheered when Max went off at Copse last year until I saw the shunt. Then I would have got quiet until he got on the radio to confirm he was OK.

Booing and cheering seems like a pretty natural part of sports to me. Then again, I live in the States. Folks at Fenway Park will boo a player if he has even the slightest association with the Yankees. When the Braves would go to Shea Stadium, Chipper Jones would say something to the fans if they didn't taunt him with his real name "Larry." He'd ask, "Y'all aren't going to give me a 'Larry?'" He obviously didn't like that name since he went by "Chipper," but he rolled with them.

Closer to where I live, the Duke basketball fans seem to know what the UNC players' girlfriends had for lunch that day and they will come up with taunts based on that. I think that the UNC players would be surprised if they didn't do that.

The best athletes feed off the boos as much as the cheers because they understand what it's all about. If I were a driver and heard cheers when I had a shunt in qualy I'd come out to the race with the attitude of, "You want to boo me? I'll give you a reason to boo me when I'm on the podium."

When was the last time a baseball player was killed in a match or seriously injured?

Scottt · Jul 8, 2022

LeSunTzu said:
When was the last time a baseball player was killed in a match or seriously injured?

Seriously injured? It happens on somewhat rare occasion. Killed is very rare, although a minor league assistant coach was killed about 10 years ago on a foul ball.

But that's kind of why I said I don't think it's right to cheer when a driver crashes.

Jan Larsen · Jul 8, 2022

Bram Hengeveld said:
For my part they remove booing ~~fans~~ idiots with force from race tracks in the future. Shameful behaviour again which is slowly ruining this beautiful sport. Bah.

I have to disagree. Booing is part of sport and is found everywhere. It creates a great atmosphere instead of people sitting on their ass, not muttering a word.

Emerson Meyer · Jul 8, 2022

Jan Larsen said:
I have to disagree. Booing is part of sport and is found everywhere. It creates a great atmosphere instead of people sitting on their ass, not muttering a word.

It´s everywhere because there are idiots everywhere...

F1 fans used to be much more peaceful and rational...
Nowadays? Pfff
The F1 forum is a proof of that, with people acting like hooligans. Pure stupidity

Kingkoenig · Jul 8, 2022

Emerson Meyer said:
It´s everywhere because there are idiots everywhere...

F1 fans used to be much more peaceful and rational...
Nowadays? Pfff
The F1 forum is a proof of that, with people acting like hooligans. Pure stupidity

In the past, the feeling that I had, when I was attending a race or was simply watching it on TV, was that F1 fans were interested in the racing: the cars, the performances, the technical aspects, etc. Even if a driver wasn’t particularly popular, people still behaved respectfully. For example, I never was an admirer of Michael Schumacher but I never booed him, and never thought of doing it.

But with Drive to Survive and this new generation of so-called fans, it’s all about personalities. It feels like F1 is a reality show like « Big Brother » or « Survivor ».

I don’t care who’s in the wall: cheering loudly when a driver slams the walls is disrespectful and shows a lack of proper education and maturity.

Scottt · Jul 8, 2022

Kingkoenig said:
In the past, the feeling that I had, when I was attending a race or was simply watching it on TV, was that F1 fans were interested in the racing: the cars, the performances, the technical aspects, etc. Even if a driver wasn’t particularly popular, people still behaved respectfully. For example, I never was an admirer of Michael Schumacher but I never booed him, and never thought of doing it.

But with Drive to Survive and this new generation of so-called fans, it’s all about personalities. It feels like F1 is a reality show like « Big Brother » or « Survivor ».

I don’t care who’s in the wall: cheering loudly when a driver slams the walls is disrespectful and shows a lack of proper education and maturity.

I think we've gone a little overboard with the blaming everything on Drive to Survive. I remember quite clearly Seb getting roundly booed at many events after his 4th WDC. That was years before DTS came out.

And even Schumacher was booed...I seem to remember a famous incident in which Ruebens was told to let him pass which caused him to be booed quite loudly.

Kingkoenig · Jul 8, 2022

Scottt said:
I think we've gone a little overboard with the blaming everything on Drive to Survive. I remember quite clearly Seb getting roundly booed at many events after his 4th WDC. That was years before DTS came out.

And even Schumacher was booed...I seem to remember a famous incident in which Ruebens was told to let him pass which caused him to be booed quite loudly.

Austria 2002, I remember very well. Barrichello should have won this but Jean Todt needlessly ordered him to let Schumacher through. People were booing the manipulation of the race results. Just like they booed at Indianapolis in 2005. That, I can understand. But booing a driver simply for who he is, like Max last week or Lewis this week, that’s different.

I think DTS amplified the problem. My big problem with that series is that it’s all about the drivers‘ personalities and it ignores the other aspects. A lot of new fans to the sport don’t seem to really understand what goes on on the track.

trichens · Jul 8, 2022

It does seem to have become more "tribal" in more recent years; much more like archetypal football fans in some respects.
I don't support any one driver or team; as a spectator I don't really "care" who wins.
I want to see a competition as we had at the end of the Silverstone GP with drivers pushing to do as well as they can... but it MUST be fair.

This is interesting though from Silverstone post-race interview...

Verstappen says that he knew that Schumacher would have to back out to prevent them both from suffering an incident.

"I was like, 'Well, he has to now back off, otherwise we're both out,'" the World Champion explained.

"Luckily, he's smart enough to [do that]."

So does MV has a "reputation" among the other drivers who would "expect" him to punt them off if he sees fit to do so?

LeMic · Jul 8, 2022

Normally keep my trap shut, but here is my two bits. I've been watching MotoGP for the longest and came into F1 later on. I've attended various MotoGP races and loved them all, but what I took from them was that every rider was a freaking hero for doing what they did, I cant remember any chant to something going wrong. I strongly dislike the entrance of the football mentality that has come along over the past years. ANYONE driving these cars deserve your respect<PERIOD> and booing any of those is just breaking the foundation of this sport down.....as I see it

Guido Trampe · Jul 8, 2022

Bram Hengeveld said:
For my part they remove booing ~~fans~~ idiots with force from race tracks in the future. Shameful behaviour again which is slowly ruining this beautiful sport. Bah.

They can all please move back to the football stadions they came from.

sylence___ · Jul 9, 2022

Sad crowd booing (same comment as last week)

But i would add this:
What should we expect when most of the websites/broadcast/medias talking about f1 kept building this kind of rivalries and generating clicks from it?
There is almost no week without an article about last year controversy, about this driver is the villain, this one is a hero, etc.
There is a lot more to say about F1 imo.
Still, not that big of a deal, just sad, we are back in gladiator circus era, tells a lot about our society.

Back on topic, my red card goes to FIA needing multiple hours to find out what everybody watched on tv : Perez lap was off track.
I can't imagine how piss Gasly might be, as he was simply robbed of Q3.
Lets hope we have a nice sprint (

) and most important a nice race on sunday

edit: i wonder what happened to this amazing control room the FIA talked about few months ago? what are they watching?

muzikant · Jul 9, 2022

Since Charly Whiting passed away the FIA has been a mess

davehenrie · Jul 9, 2022

I'll say, we'll have to listen to tires farting for the entire race.

2022 Formula One Austrian Grand Prix

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