2022 Formula One Austrian Grand Prix

Guido Trampe · Jul 11, 2022

BP said:
...and if the person on the inside decides to drive dirty on corner exit and runs them wide into the spikes...what then? Do the stewards also order the dirty driver to drive over the spikes as a fair penalty? This is ignoring any turning car going well over 150kph and gets their outside tyres slashed will make Zhou's accident look like a gentle tap.

At least they can test the learnings (and solutions) from that crash

wombat999 · Jul 11, 2022

Track limits are another additional layer of FIA-EffWun stupidity.
Simple solution, stop penalising drivers, or just line the circuit(s) with sausage kerbs!
Of course said kerbs would need to be removable as many circuits are used for MotoGP rounds.

pai · Jul 11, 2022

wombat999 said:
Track limits are another additional layer of FIA-EffWun stupidity.
Simple solution, stop penalising drivers, or just line the circuit(s) with sausage kerbs!
Of course said kerbs would need to be removable as many circuits are used for MotoGP rounds.

Sausage kerbs create more problems. Don't believe me? Watch the following clip that happened yesterday at Monza:

Those things need to be removed from racing tracks forever.

LMGiorni · Jul 11, 2022

Why don't we replace them with the old good and green grass and forgot about this absurd thing of letting everybody run wide as it's all around covered in pavement.

Damage Inc · Jul 11, 2022

pai said:
Sausage kerbs create more problems. Don't believe me? Watch the following clip that happened yesterday at Monza:

Those things need to be removed from racing tracks forever.

Where the hell did that door go? I'm guessing it landed on the moon!!!!

stbreaker · Jul 11, 2022

LMGiorni said:
Why don't we replace them with the old good and green grass and forgot about this absurd thing of letting everybody run wide as it's all around covered in pavement.

You’re probably right for F1 cars, but I think this pavement replacement trend is more a function of safety for other racing series or modalities. Look at how versatile Circuit Paul Ricard is since they’ve taken the “abrasive pavement” approach. I’m also a big MotoGP fan, so not going to complain about having more tracks as options.

On a separate note, this race really needed DRS. We all saw how difficult it often was for clearly quicker cars to overtake even with that additional advantage. I think at this track it accomplished the original goal of helping to mitigate the aero disadvantages of following another car without taking the skill/strategy away from the process.

Damage Inc · Jul 11, 2022

Regarding track limits (for cars) it's easy peasy, historically it's been the line around the edge of the track. Two wheels over and it's ok, more than two instant infringement, 3 infringments 10 second stop go penalty. Crossing to avoid a crash is a more complex matter but for the stewards to decide if a car was unfarily forced into avoidance and if anyone gained advantage. I just do not understand why the stewards canot enforce common sense!!

davehenrie · Jul 11, 2022

Couldn't they just wire the edges of the track surface and include rfid chip or some such identifier so that there would be no grey area. You DID exceed the boundaries cuz the computer says you did.

LMGiorni · Jul 11, 2022

davehenrie said:
Couldn't they just wire the edges of the track surface and include rfid chip or some such identifier so that there would be no grey area. You DID exceed the boundaries cuz the computer says you did.

How many times including in the simulators the estimation of track limit excedeed was not correctly applied.
Tech is fine in F1 and is the most advance racing category, but some things needs to stick as natural and as basic as possible. What F1 was loosing all this year's since 2007 is the lack of risk on getting a high risk to retire if you miss a turn.
Today you can go off almost anywhere you like with low cost on doing so. So the best approach is to get back to grass (maybe gravel) and put some escape routs beyond to get easier exit if you did not stall your engine as in Austria, Spa, etc.

Paul Richard is awful to the eyes, not the layout but the track itself is ugly. At first, you don't know where to go, all those colored lines does miss a lot on what is track and where you should be able to go. The F1 layout is very nice to drive.

trichens · Jul 11, 2022

The track limits issue is due to increasing the track width by adding rumble strip kerbs outside the "proper" tarmac track. Watch any race at any track and every driver uses the red and white kerbs to "chop" corners which they do because there is no penalty for doing this. We all do it when sim racing.

Solution? Ummmm. Well concrete walls work for street circuits but we don't want races to be run in "Hot Wheels" type tracks.
So do we go for a high tech method with some track sensors to determine if a car is off the track? Drivers protest that they are not guilty but an electronic method would allow the driver to alerted to his infringement.
A bit like one of these buzz toys?

Or a physical/mechanical method?
But what?
Croft Circuit has some plastic "poles" at the first corners that always get torn out in the first couple of laps so would appear to be no real deterrent.
Anything substantial may put cars, drivers and spectators at risk.

Perhaps just rip up the kerbs and replace with grass.
Put your wheels off the track and you might end up in the gravel traps, spinning or losing traction.
But then with others having their "elbows out" you may find yourself unfairly penalised.

wombat999 · Jul 12, 2022

pai said:
Sausage kerbs create more problems. Don't believe me? Watch the following clip that happened yesterday at Monza:

Those things need to be removed from racing tracks forever.

The object of the exercise is to prevent drivers from running over the kerbs. Looks as if the kerbs served out a penalty in this case.

JayOTT · Jul 12, 2022

wombat999 said:
The object of the exercise is to prevent drivers from running over the kerbs. Looks as if the kerbs served out a penalty in this case.

By that logic it's perfectly acceptable to put a big pool of lava on either side of the track limits. You go off track, you DIE, that's a penalty now innit?

A Casual Sim Racer · Jul 12, 2022

Gravel.... gravel everywhere......

(that isn't within the boundaries of the race track).

LeSunTzu · Jul 12, 2022

I'm not sure there is one single way to enforce track limits that should be the same for every corner or any track. There are corners that have been sort of ruined when they removed the gravel, like Monza's parabolica. There is not any corner like that at the Red Bull ring and the sausage curbs at T1 and T3 do the job. The GT3 accident at la Roggia chicane was nasty, but it was also a very big driver mistake: if you approach the corner too fast you're supposed to go straight and around the curbs, there's a lane for that.

pai · Jul 12, 2022

wombat999 said:
The object of the exercise is to prevent drivers from running over the kerbs. Looks as if the kerbs served out a penalty in this case.

No, what they did was to cause an unnecessary accident, something that has happened time and time again with these things in several racing series around the world.

They should be removed from all racing tracks in the world. Two wrongs don't make one right.

Damage Inc · Jul 12, 2022

Just finished watching the recording of the race and I'm mega impressed how Charles handled the issues he had at the end of the race, a sticky throttle is a mare. Great win for the lad.

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