Really?
You misunderstand me. Not a matter of talent or commitment, that lack is only a reflex of what they are. No, it's just a matter of respect which, according to a moderator from another forum, these types don't have. They only cause trouble and, as someone at NG said, can't be reasoned with.
These "new faces" who show up here and elsewhere insult people, incite flames whenever possible (the ones Lee Knight named in the other thread - plus a handful of others - showed up here with the same attitude, twisting other people's posts (see the latest post to Marcel's last post) and resorting to insult).
Up until 3 years ago these "people" wouldn't have a place among us.
But here they are and usually discussions end up badly.
Your call, though..