Which Fanatec DD are you buying and why?

White Hawk · Mar 7, 2019

I couldn’t see this type of post anywhere and as I’m undecided on a DD1 or the PS4 version for extra compatibility right now thought I’d put this up, forgive me if it’s already been done.

RCHeliguy · Apr 27, 2019

To drill another two holes in my P1 Cockpit wheel bracket or not.... Hmmm...

White Hawk · Apr 27, 2019

RCHeliguy said:
To drill another two holes in my P1 Cockpit wheel bracket or not.... Hmmm...

Fanatec says it’s not necessary, the 3 bolts should be fine, they probably added another two for compatibility, either now or in the future maybe.

If that’s what you are referring to anyway.

White Hawk · Apr 27, 2019

Of course you will have to put an order in first.

Deleted member 197115 · Apr 27, 2019

Why Podium wheel base is so huge, like 1/3 bigger than Small Mige or SC2 that also has electronics inside.

Nevini · Apr 27, 2019

Golden rule never buy version one of anything, So I will wait a couple more years for version 1.5 ;-)

RCHeliguy · Apr 27, 2019

Andrew_WOT said:
Why Podium wheel base is so huge, like 1/3 bigger than Small Mige or SC2 that also has electronics inside.

I have a couple theories. First I scaled the drawings of the csw 2.5 and dd wheel bases and measured. The steering wheel mount appears to be the same height from where it bolts to your rig. So I should be able to unbolt my csw 2.5 and bolt a DD right in from the bottom without having to readjust my rig for wheel height. ( Edit: Very wrong here, the wheel base needs to drop about 1.5" and the wheel supports need to move back a good 2.5+" )

They also added 8mm side mounts and a display on top that needs to be visible. From there it isn't to hard to see them make a case design decision based on symmetry. It's a good aesthetic.

The simucube mounts from the front like mig servo motors have historically and require a front mounted bracket. The DD's mount from the bottom like most wheel bases do and they also mount from the side. The DD's are designed to be seen from the front.

They are very different in appearance and I'm sure that was intentional. Why would Fanatec want to look like the competition?

super_gt · Apr 27, 2019

Andrew_WOT said:
Why Podium wheel base is so huge, like 1/3 bigger than Small Mige or SC2 that also has electronics inside.

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In SC2 is just a motor and electronics mounted on the rear of the motor.
The motor of the Fanatec DD is in a box and there must be a gap between the motor and the box for the air to pass through for cooling in addition to that, plus the electronics there is also a fan. All this makes the wheel base bigger.

White Hawk · Apr 27, 2019

Plus it’s a different kind of motor.

Daniel Watkin · Apr 27, 2019

I've blatantly stolen this image off Reddit simracing. But look at that sticker placement. Do Fanatec even do quality control?

Deleted member 197115 · Apr 27, 2019

super_gt said:
In SC2 is just a motor and electronics mounted on the rear of the motor.
The motor of the Fanatec DD is in a box and there must be a gap between the motor and the box for the air to pass through for cooling in addition to that, plus the electronics there is also a fan. All this makes the wheel base bigger.

Yeah, forgot that Podium is active cooling with always on fan blowing inside, while SC2 is passive.
And Podium is using outrunner motor with SC2 inrunner same as Mige. That could affect size of the motor itself.
But damn, it's HUGE.

o Tiger Feet o · Apr 27, 2019

Daniel Watkin said:
I've blatantly stolen this image off Reddit simracing. But look at that sticker placement. Do Fanatec even do quality control?

I dont think they come with stickers on? They send them separate ...

Daniel Watkin · Apr 27, 2019

o Tiger Feet o said:
I dont think they come with stickers on? They send them separate ...

That's how the Reddit OP claims it arrived. Source here.

thepharcyde · Apr 27, 2019

Pretty shody, but on the proviso the rest is good, a quick email/good 'wheel' gesture would be fine with me and another sticker boshed in the post.

o Tiger Feet o · Apr 27, 2019

Daniel Watkin said:
That's how the Reddit OP claims it arrived. Source here.

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Seems odd that all the unboxing videos don't have the stickers on... I guess it's no big deal anyway

Deleted member 197115 · Apr 27, 2019

There was also Installation and Software video from Shaun

gh229 · Apr 28, 2019

o Tiger Feet o said:
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Seems odd that all the unboxing videos don't have the stickers on... I guess it's no big deal anyway

That's the DD2. The DD1 has the stickers on the side.

RCHeliguy · Apr 28, 2019

FWIW I just did some additional measurements comparing the CSW 2.5 to the DD and it will require redoing all of my controls on my rig. The DD extends the steering wheel 2.5" towards you because of the tensioning knob and since most wheels are tilted up a bit it will raise the wheel a bit too.

I'll need to drop my wheel support bracket a bit, extend the controls forward from the wheel support structure 2.5", and move the whole wheel support structure back 2.5" to compensate. My rig currently has the seat positioned well over the central pivot of my NLRv3 so I don't want to just slide my seat back 2.5". I also have 6" available in front of my pedals right now and I don't want to move them back further.

I'll have to think about the 8020 changes to keep my handbrake and sequential shifter well in hand. So this won't just be a drop in and go situation. I think it will be a pretty easy, but it will require a bit of moving things around. As it is I have wheel bracket pretty far back into the side supports, so I could put an ~ 3" deeper 40x80 piece in front of the right support and slide the wheel bracket forward 3/4" to keep the same offset and slide the whole wheel support structure back 3".

FYI measurements are the following:
Fanatec DD drawings show 126mm from center of the front bolt hole to the front of the wheel spindle.
Measured off CSW 2.5 is 64mm
126-64 = 62mm or 2.44inches

The drawing below shows 121mm from the front of the spindle to the center of the side holes.
The other drawing Fanatec has shows a 35mm offset to the front bottom holes.
That totals 126mm. The area in the red box doesn't exist on the CSW 2.5.
Also the CSW 2.5 has the bolt hole 14mm from the front instead of 35mm.

BTW this isn't a complaint, just something I noticed.
On my rig it will just be easier to get in and out off with the extra 3" of side clearance.

Soulstoner · Apr 28, 2019

RCHeliguy said:
FWIW I just did some additional measurements comparing the CSW 2.5 to the DD and it will require redoing all of my controls on my rig. The DD extends the steering wheel 2.5" towards you because of the tensioning knob and since most wheels are tilted up a bit it will raise the wheel a bit too.

I'll need to drop my wheel support bracket a bit, extend the controls forward from the wheel support structure 2.5", and move the whole wheel support structure back 2.5" to compensate. My rig currently has the seat positioned well over the central pivot of my NLRv3 so I don't want to just slide my seat back 2.5". I also have 6" available in front of my pedals right now and I don't want to move them back further.

I'll have to think about the 8020 changes to keep my handbrake and sequential shifter well in hand. So this won't just be a drop in and go situation. I think it will be a pretty easy, but it will require a bit of moving things around. As it is I have wheel bracket pretty far back into the side supports, so I could put an ~ 3" deeper 40x80 piece in front of the right support and slide the wheel bracket forward 3/4" to keep the same offset and slide the whole wheel support structure back 3".

FYI measurements are the following:
Fanatec DD drawings show 126mm from center of the front bolt hole to the front of the wheel spindle.
Measured off CSW 2.5 is 64mm
126-64 = 62mm or 2.44inches

The drawing below shows 121mm from the front of the spindle to the center of the side holes.
The other drawing Fanatec has shows a 35mm offset to the front bottom holes.
That totals 126mm. The area in the red box doesn't exist on the CSW 2.5.
Also the CSW 2.5 has the bolt hole 14mm from the front instead of 35mm.
View attachment 303395

BTW this isn't a complaint, just something I noticed.
On my rig it will just be easier to get in and out off with the extra 3" of side clearance.

Do you know the dimensions of the entire unit? I've only been able to find the shipping box dimensions.