rF2 Trucks Racing Series @ Montreal - 17 December 2008

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Tim Ling

It's a million-to-1 chance, but it just might work
With GTRe the whole thing feels a bit polished to me, a bit smoother. The cars feel smoother to drive.
rFactor feels raw, a little ragged just round the edges.
GTRe has all it's classes built in to the game. rFactor you have to download them, and then you have to install them correctly.

Bottom line is I don't know :p
 
So why, with it's limited scope of vehicles/tracks etc compared to rF, does GTRE do such a roaring trade (again compared to rF), then?

That would be because the cars and tracks are actually good fun to race with - and this is more serious than truck or Lupo races which pretty much have a comedy value only.

You asked for suggestions on how to improve the turnouts of rFactor events, and i gave a suggestion - if you aren't willing to try it then carry on with what is going on now with the low turnouts.
 
So why, with it's limited scope of vehicles/tracks etc compared to rF, does GTRE do such a roaring trade (again compared to rF), then?

Simply because the choice of cars in evo games is good. Using Golfs, Lupos, vans, trucks does not lead to interesting racing. We come to an environment online to race things we would never have the chance to. Something incredibly slow and dull that I could go out and easily drive is not my idea of fun. Trucks are crap in every way and vans are very similar. To be honest I will leave it with the word 'van'. Driving a van in real life is not fun let alone as a game. Essentially people aren't joining because sometimes the vehicle choice is dull and boring.

Also GTR Evo has a bigger userbase. So you have to use some very good mods to entice people to rfactor.

I don't mean to be blunt but that is why I don't join quite a lot of events for rfactor and why I believe this to be the same for other people.
 

Tim Ling

It's a million-to-1 chance, but it just might work
Simply because the choice of cars in evo games is good. Using Golfs, Lupos, vans, trucks does not lead to interesting racing. We come to an environment online to race things we would never have the chance to. Something incredibly slow and dull that I could go out and easily drive is not my idea of fun. Trucks are crap in every way and vans are very similar. To be honest I will leave it with the word 'van'. Driving a van in real life is not fun let alone as a game. Essentially people aren't joining because sometimes the vehicle choice is dull and boring.

Also GTR Evo has a bigger userbase. So you have to use some very good mods to entice people in rfactor.

Whoa there Amos! That's a bit harsh mate. I admit that not everyone likes trucks or vans, though both are good fun, but that's the beauty of rF, the variety. Where else would you get soapbox racing? And by not joining the truck racing you're missing out on a real fun challennge.

Maybe people want "proper" racing, NAGT, BMW Pro Cars etc. Try different mods and see what happens. It may just be that GTRe is the current favourite, and all other games will suffer. It could be xmas is causing problems for people, eating up their time.

Whatever the reason, we do appreciate all your efforts Andrew.:good:
 
You asked for suggestions on how to improve the turnouts of rFactor events, and i gave a suggestion - if you aren't willing to try it then carry on with what is going on now with the low turnouts.

James, I think what we need is a vote or something to actually find out what people want.. You want something from rFactor that maybe everyone else doesn't - and we won't know unless we ask everyone.

Oliver Amos said:
Using Golfs, Lupos, vans, trucks does not lead to interesting racing.

Wanted to get on this one too.. I disagree - I've had some of my most interesting races with the different types of cars on Race Department. And if you'd signed up and raced last night you might have found that out for yourself.

And yeah, Andrew, we all appreciate the effort you put in mate!!:Banane09:
 
Whoa there Amos! That's a bit harsh mate. I admit that not everyone likes trucks or vans, though both are good fun, but that's the beauty of rF, the variety. Where else would you get soapbox racing? And by not joining the truck racing you're missing out on a real fun challennge.

Maybe people want "proper" racing, NAGT, BMW Pro Cars etc. Try different mods and see what happens. It may just be that GTRe is the current favourite, and all other games will suffer. It could be xmas is causing problems for people, eating up their time.

Whatever the reason, we do appreciate all your efforts Andrew.:good:

What we want is proper racing - i tried 2 truck races and both drove me to boredom followed by a large crash because of how little fun they were to drive. Other things like the Lupo's were good the first time but after that i didn't want to race them again. Soapbox was a laugh, but that's the problem with the rFactor events, they are a bit of a laugh but aren't really proper racing. The Japan F3 was great fun and they are proper race cars which straight away pulls people in - giving you a decent number of signups.

rFactor has a great variety of mods - and seen as it does why don't we try as many out as we can to see what people like to race. Personally i would really like to see some Formula Nippon races, or some Champ Cars :)

I appreciate the work you put in Andrew, but the reason why im trying to argue this point is because i want rFactor events to stay here at RD. Just try some new mods and tracks out, see how it goes and then we know what people will want and what they enjoy.
 
Whoa there Amos! That's a bit harsh mate. I admit that not everyone likes trucks or vans, though both are good fun, but that's the beauty of rF, the variety. Where else would you get soapbox racing? And by not joining the truck racing you're missing out on a real fun challennge.

Maybe people want "proper" racing, NAGT, BMW Pro Cars etc. Try different mods and see what happens. It may just be that GTRe is the current favourite, and all other games will suffer. It could be xmas is causing problems for people, eating up their time.

Whatever the reason, we do appreciate all your efforts Andrew.:good:

I have driven the trucks and I don't find them a 'challenge' as such but instead fighting the will to live. As a result I no longer sign up for those events. Maybe it's more the combination of track and car that is the main issue. In my opinion a Lupo race should be on a short track for close racing. E.g. Tracks like on STCC. However racing them around the ring will be incredibly dreary. Just imagine going up the straight and how long it will feel.

Overall, some more variety is needed and maybe ask the members what races they want to do. I think a vote as previously mentioned would be a great idea.

And as you said, whatever the reason I think the staff are doing a great job and it just needs possibly needs a tweak to get the rfactor club off the starting grid again.

Love you Andrew and all the other staff:kissing: ;)
 

Stuart Thomson

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Stuart Thomson said:
So why, with it's limited scope of vehicles/tracks etc compared to rF, does GTRE do such a roaring trade (again compared to rF), then?
You asked for suggestions on how to improve the turnouts of rFactor events, and i gave a suggestion - if you aren't willing to try it then carry on with what is going on now with the low turnouts.
Actually, I didn't, and I'm not really up for anything rF related any more. See threads passim for details.

But I just thought that your response about doing the same things over and over again seemed at odds with the experience of so many on RD, given the success on here of GTRE, which is much more limited in it's scope.

Also, (possibly predominantly) it's not the sort of response that would make a Racing Club Staffers heart fill with joy either. It's a thankless task at the best of times, as you're basically setting yourself up for a kicking each and every time. They get moaned at if it's the same, and get moaned at if it's different. It would be very easy for the staff to just pick their own favourites for each and every race, and sod everyone else. But IMO they don't. And they should be applauded for that.
 
Actually, I didn't, and I'm not really up for anything rF related any more. See threads passim for details.

But I just thought that your response about doing the same things over and over again seemed at odds with the experience of so many on RD, given the success on here of GTRE, which is much more limited in it's scope.

Also, (possibly predominantly) it's not the sort of response that would make a Racing Club Staffers heart fill with joy either. It's a thankless task at the best of times, as you're basically setting yourself up for a kicking each and every time. They get moaned at if it's the same, and get moaned at if it's different. It would be very easy for the staff to just pick their own favourites for each and every race, and sod everyone else. But IMO they don't. And they should be applauded for that.

It seems you didn't read the previous few posts before replying... so i will make the point again. The reason for the success of GTR Evo is because the cars and tracks with the game are VERY good... whereas we have only really been doing races on rFactor in cars which are funny the first time, but not exactly great when you want to have a proper race. What we have to do with rFactor is change mods and tracks often to generate new interest as people don't naturally sign up for every race like they do with GTR Evo. rFactor cars are usually a more specialised thing whereas GTR Evo has GT's, WTCC, STCC, Mini's, Camaro's, Production, Single Seaters, Radicals, Caterhams. Big choice there, and something for everyone, and there is something for everyone on rFactor too. 9 Classes in GTR Evo... so why can't we try 9 new mods out on some different tracks and see what people think.

If the racing staff don't want feedback and suggestions that is fine by me, but then none of you should make posts wondering why the hell no one turns up.
 

Stuart Thomson

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Hmm, I'd argue the 9 classes a bit, but OK.

You argue that GTRE is a better quality, I'd agree that.

I think I'd probably argue most about who is to say what is and what isn't a "proper" race. That definiton varies so much that the Staff have an almost impossible job, and no-one has a definitive answer on what constitutes a race, and one mans "proper" race is another mans yawnfest.
 

Tim Ling

It's a million-to-1 chance, but it just might work
I think I'd probably argue most about who is to say what is and what isn't a "proper" race.

That's very true. Oliver doesn't like the trucks, I do (though I'm still crap at them :p). Loads of peolpe seem to like the Lupo's, I can take or leave them.

A poll probably would be a good idea, but it still doesn't guarantee a good turn out. I don't think there is an answer to this tricky question :(
 

Stuart Thomson

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Again though, I suspect people's preferences are going to be so different, there'll never be a consensus, and people will all want something different.

It's not an easy fix, to be honest.
 
It's not an easy fix, to be honest.

So like I said in previous posts - why don't we do BOTH? Why not have a set mod every Wednesday or whatever, and then on the Sunday try out mods? Or have something set for those two days and try something out on Mondays??

It's all completely do-able, and this reaction of it's not easy, you're right, that's the case now, but it doesn't have to be if we all make the effort and work it out..

Maybe there could be an easy mod on one day, that anyone can pick up and get into, whilst perhaps learning the ropes a bit, and then something a little more challenging on another day of the week?
 
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