The SimFeedback-AC DIY Motion Simulator thread

[sjb266]

Hey guys. Thought I’d create a thread for those taking the plunge into this brilliant DIY project..
I will be starting mine soon and I know there are others thinking about it.. so feel free to share your knowledge and experiences so we can all enjoy this platform to its full potential. A huge thanks to the developers who have really knocked this one out of the park!

Website: https://opensfx.com/2019/02/20/welcome-to-our-new-site/

Github: https://github.com/SimFeedback/SimFeedback-AC-Servo/wiki

For all the internals for the actuator contact Amy - skye@ntl-bearing.com
She can supply everything you need. Just remind her you want the ends of the shafts chamfered and make sure she sends the right sized ball screw - we have had a couple of issues reported. She is very helpful though and the cost is pretty good.


Huge thanks to @RowanH for writing a comprehensive user guide which can be accessed here - https://www.rowanhick.com/sfx-100-build-and-running-guide

In addition, @anton_Chez has contributed a list of post numbers for some of the important settings etc..
Post #320 SFX-100 thread
Post #327 SFX-100 thread for Discord correlation
Post #339 SFX-100 thread
Post #418 SFX-100 thread
Post #424 SFX-100 thread
Post #439 SFX-100 thread
Post #449 SFX-100 thread
Post #517 SFX-100 thread
Post #554 SFX-100 thread
Post #580 SFX-100 thread
Post #826 SFX-100 thread
Post #837 SFX-100 thread
Post #864,866,867,868,870,887,889,897 SFX-100 thread
Post #911,914 SFX-100 thread
Post #988,992,998 SFX-100 thread
Post #1147 SFX-100 thread
Post #1492 SFX-100 thread
Post #1511,1517 SFX-100 thread

I will try to keep this page updated with links to source the parts in other parts of the world. Just post whatever links you have and i'll add them here.

Please note: Not all the parts listed below are essential for the project. For the essential parts refer to the original shopping list.

Australia:

• O-Ring - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kit-419Pcs-O-Ring-O-Ring-Black-Rubber-32-Sizes-With-Case-3-50mm-W8D7/223152697816?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
• D-Sub breakout board - DB25 25pin Female Adapter RS-232 Serial Terminal Module Breakout Board Connector
• Emergency Stop - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Reliable-Emergency-Stop-Push-Button-Box-600V-Switch-for-Elevator/192115082001?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
• Arduino Wiring - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/40-pcs-Dupont-Cable-20cm-Jumper-Wire-for-Arduino-RPi-breadboard-AU-Stock/202436863098?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&var=502467628096&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
• Breadboard - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mini-Solderless-Breadboard-400-Contacts-Tie-points-Universal-Available-New-lemon/123145741183?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
• D-Dub Cable - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Black-D...h=item3f6ace6403:g:038AAOSw9mpaSsU2:rk:1:pf:0
• Screw Shield for Arduino Leonardo - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Scr...h=item25a9d471a4:g:5BgAAOSwraJbc9rC:rk:1:pf:0
• Arduino Leonardo Replica - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DIY-Eduino-Leonardo-Module-with-USB-Cable-for-Arduino-ATMEGA32U4-Blue-Black/132719951279?epid=916281063&hash=item1ee6b9bdaf:g:2QUAAOSw5iNbWv6b:rk:123f:

Thanks to @AussieSim for the following links:

10A power lead(s) * 4
https://www.jaycar.com.au/2m-black-mains-extension-lead/p/PS4152

Top quality wire stripper
https://sydneytools.com.au/product/boxo-cutws205-multifunction-wire-stripper

RCD/safety switch power block
https://www.bunnings.com.au/arlec-4-outlet-heavy-duty-portable-safety-switch_p4420028

WD-40 lithium grease for the ball screws
https://www.bunnings.com.au/wd-40-specialist-300g-high-performance-white-lithium-grease_p6100408

Vibration pads
https://www.bunnings.com.au/whites-on-site-100-x-12-5mm-rubber-anti-vibration-mat-4-pack_p3961547

WD-40 Dry PTFE spray for the slider (free shipping)
https://au.rs-online.com/mobile/p/lubricants/7577134/

Arduino Leonardo (free shipping + frequent 10-15% off discount)
https://www.arrow.com/en/products/a000057/arduino-corporation

DB25 cables * 4 (free shipping)
https://www.arrow.com/en/products/ak401-2/assmann-wsw-components-inc

PETG * 3 (free shipping)
https://www.arrow.com/en/products/petg17bk1/mg-chemicals

WAGO-like connectors to avoid a breadboard (perhaps use genuine ones if you are doing 240V AC)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32906719488.html

D-Sub breakout boards * 4
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32297675967.html

3D printer Creality Ender-3 Pro
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32918302452.html

Wires from Arduino to D-Sub breakout (remove black plastic from the WAGO end)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32887680826.html

Crimp connectors for AC wire leads
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32813550981.html

 

[thenic123]

How do you mean? Essentially being very patient

Have kinetik improved both in the ordering/shippment process with national/international customers as well as communication ?

 

[greenhut]

Mine was fine. I ordered 9th of November and then shipped 10 days later on the 19th, and received my order yesterday. Everything looks like it's correct.

I ordered on 13th of November (to US). Still no sign of tracking info. Asked for status today, but have not heard back. Some have indicated our order sizes are tiny so probably dont get the most attention...

 

[Wonderboy]

The one I bought is slightly different spec, shouldn't matter tho, i'll know once I get my bolts and can start assembling lol

The SimFeedback-AC DIY Motion Simulator thread

Hey guys. Thought I’d create a thread for those taking the plunge into this brilliant DIY project.. I will be starting mine soon and I know there are others thinking about it.. so feel free to share your knowledge and experiences so we can all enjoy this platform to its full potential. A huge...

www.racedepartment.com

Thanks, I'd be very interested to hear if these are correct. I'd much prefer to order from AliExpress than a site that doesn't even list contact info.

 

[Insert Coin]

I would like to understand why more and more people are trying to build the system with other Arduinos than with the Arduino Leonardo mentioned in the Wiki and on the website.

That never happened before.

Is it because you now have the choice to flash firmware for other models?

Wiki

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Just an idea: add a warning message at the flash tool like "Only a Leonardo can be used for motion rigs" or similar?

 

[Wonderboy]

Here’s the contact email address for https://www.rc-letmathe.de website..., particularly helpful for those in countries not included on their website.

modellbau-letmathe@web.de

I have spare shields left so if you’re in Australia feel free to contact me.

I ended up going AASD.

 

[C64]

I ordered on 13th of November (to US). Still no sign of tracking info. Asked for status today, but have not heard back. Some have indicated our order sizes are tiny so probably dont get the most attention...

An alternative to Kinetic is to use the ITEM24 100x100 section, they have dealers worldwide. Details on the SFX website

Mods – Item24 Extrusion

opensfx.com

 

[Paul Mullins]

An alternative to Kinetic is to use the ITEM24 100x100 section, they have dealers worldwide. Details on the SFX website

Mods – Item24 Extrusion

opensfx.com

@greenhut - FYI, I received a quote from the Australian distributor for Item24 extrusion, Modular Components & Automation in Victoria

4 pieces of 100mm x 100mm @ 250mm long including cutting, freight (Adelaide) and GST = $330

They advised they have "plenty of stock in our Melbourne warehouse so we can get this to you within a few days of payment confirmation".

Not sure how that compares to Kinetic pricing though

Many thanks to @C64 for your hard work on making an alternative happen..

 

[Spikar]

How are recent builders dealings with Kinetik nowadays?

Poor communication...
I ordered about 9 weeks ago and they got back to me after several emails.
Some issue with the transfer and the bank fees etc.
Got back to me couple weeks ago..... and all sorted out... got them yesterday.
They eventually get delivered.

 

[Spikar]

@greenhut - FYI, I received a quote from the Australian distributor for Item24 extrusion, Modular Components & Automation in Victoria

4 pieces of 100mm x 100mm @ 250mm long including cutting, freight (Adelaide) and GST = $330

They advised they have "plenty of stock in our Melbourne warehouse so we can get this to you within a few days of payment confirmation".

Not sure how that compares to Kinetic pricing though

Many thanks to @C64 for your hard work on making an alternative happen..

I paid about $430 shipped (kinetik)

 

[Wonderboy]

I paid about $430 shipped (kinetik)

I paid AUD$389 to Kinetik. Delivery to QLD Australia.

... and I just paid AUD$315 to rc-letmathe.de

 

[Paul Mullins]

... and I just paid AUD$315 to rc-letmathe.de

What did that include WB..??

 

[Mr Latte]

Question for UK users.

Taking into account (all electrical components) when racing with this motion system and other hardware. What types of levels in electrical watts are being used?

I am a little concerned this and the multiple amps/audio hardware I have to power will be at the limits of a typical socket or extensions on short cables. Advertised power ratings are not always continuous so its hard to know.

Has anyone had any issues or similar concerns?
Can anyone link or recommend a good plug adapter for reading the watts/drain on components being used?

 

[Wonderboy]

What did that include WB..??

- 4 type FK12 fixed bearings, &
- 4 type 1605 / length = 250mm ball screw and nuts

Shipping was 45 euro which is about AUD$125

 

[ThugUK]

Question for UK users.

Taking into account (all electrical components) when racing with this motion system and other hardware. What types of levels in electrical watts are being used?

I am a little concerned this and the multiple amps/audio hardware I have to power will be at the limits of a typical socket or extensions on short cables. Advertised power ratings are not always continuous so its hard to know.

Has anyone had any issues or similar concerns?
Can anyone link or recommend a good plug adapter for reading the watts/drain on components being used?

The SFX100 uses very little power.
I run my whole rig of a 6 gang power brick (with all the motors running from one plug).
So I have my SFX100, AF V2 DD wheel, Pearl Throne Thumper, Ultra Wide monitor and an LED light strip all running on the same extension.

Did you ever se the video that shows the SFX power consumption?

 

[Mr Latte]

@ThugUK
Thanks for sharing that, good to know the SFX 100 isn't too power-hungry.
I ordered one of these too, I read that using extensions can reduce/limit the watts possible based on how long the cable is.

 

[thenic123]

For EMI, is something like this needed:

https://it.rs-online.com/mobile/p/filtri-di-alimentazione/2192915/

Or should I just get the aluminum foil out and just wrap the servo cables in it?

Is there EMI with 3 pronged electrical plugs on 240v outlets in Australia?

 

[Insert Coin]

The filter is recommended to prevent spikes being transmitted from the servo drivers to the 230V power lines: without the filter other equipment on the 230V lines may suffer from the spikes. I recommend the Schaffner FN2070. EMI is also transmitted through the air, mostly by the servo power cables between the servo driver and the servo motor. Using a filter will not prevent this from happening: you need anti-EMI tape around the cables or replace the cables with shielded cables. Using aluminium foil works (do connect the foil to ground), but it looks messy and is hard to work with.

 

[RCR_Finn]

How are recent builders dealings with Kinetik nowadays?

Total crap. Took them over two months. After first month of waiting I tried to call them, no answer at all. Tried emailing, tried their contact form, no reply to either.

Finally two and a half weeks ago got through on the phone. They told they had not noticed my payment by paypal. They promised to send the same day and I would get the tracking number and have the goods in 4 days. 3 days later still no progress of any kind, called again, got through, "you will have the tracking number in 5min". I didnt, as they were not sent. 5 days later (7 weeks since paying my order) i called, again "you will have tracking# in 5min". I didn't. Rinse and repeat a few times, and finally I got a tracking number which revealed it still had not beem sent yet.

While I realise this order was small for them at 250€ grand total, I just cannot understand this kind of heavy lack of integrity. Today when I finally got the goods (8wk after paying), I learned that the person messing everything up and giving me lies and empty promises on the phone was the managing director of the company. Apparently it is not a huge company...

Cant help but recommend to look for ITEM profile. It just cant be worse than dealing with such amateurs with total lack of integrity, like Kinetik Systems.

 

[PEZZALUCIFER]

Kinetik was easy to deal with, $350AUD delivered to Queensland just for profile, and because I screwed up and forgot to order the inserts and t-slot nuts at the same time another $163AUD. They were nice enough to put it all in the same box and still charge me the extra shipping tho

Delivery took around 3 weeks I think, the order sat there doing nothing for about 4 days iirc.

 

[BluePotato00]

I wonder if any Americans (or Australians or any other nationalities outside of the European continent) considered ordering ~10 sets of Kinetic profile and helicoils to resell so builders on their continent could get their parts more quickly. I think many builders would be willing to pay a premium to get these parts in ~1 week instead of ~6. I'm not volunteering, just thinking out loud.