Tactile Immersion - General Discussion - Hardware & Software

[BiT0]

woow bs 250 modded
2,6kg 10HZ
the LFE is not! connected
This is becoming more punchy than I thought
sorry hold the handy the wrong way round
imagine this shaking really good
video does not show the movement optimal
-complete silent
-tested for 1 hour yet
great value

https://www.mediafire.com/file/ixs7vsycgrbxrdr/VID-20191008-WA0003_(2).mp4/file

@boern69 how would you compare the BS250 against the rockwood?
Both in their raw <and weighted-mod version.
Since you own and modded both. The 10€ more have sense?
I was reading the same articulate report on exciters you linked once and the "blanko" rockwood was judged the best (not only for the money).

 

[boern69]

Both are great value for the prize
but modde3d it comes to a whole new dimension
with 1 kg down to 20hz
with over 2kg down to 10z
the bs250 seems to have more power 100w rms 250w peak
I will make some more test and even comparison to lfe
but atm no time .

sorry I keep on repeating myself
people often only wanna know about tactile units here
but it is much more about a good tactile rig than only the unit u put on it.

U can compare it with listening to music
it not only the speaker unit
its the chassis of speaker and the room (size form position) u put it in

 

[BiT0]

Yes sure, I agree completly.
And even more important indeed may be what you feed to them.

Was just asking because you do own both and since I am starting my building with the rockwood was interested in a compare.

 

[F1Aussie]

Hey guys I am about to build a new PC and I currently run a two channel amp to a couple of shakers on my Sim rig. I run it from a sound card and through simvibe. I am thinking of upgrading to a four channel amp at some stage and am wondering if I can run it off one sound card or if I would need two? I am obviously not very knowledgeable about these things.
I have noticed that some mobos only have o E pci-e slot the size of the sound card connector.
Cheers

 

[Mr Latte]

Both are great value for the prize
but modde3d it comes to a whole new dimension
with 1 kg down to 20hz
with over 2kg down to 10z
the bs250 seems to have more power 100w rms 250w peak
I will make some more test and even comparison to lfe
but atm no time .

sorry I keep on repeating myself
people often only wanna know about tactile units here
but it is much more about a good tactile rig than only the unit u put on it.

U can compare it with listening to music
it not only the speaker unit
its the chassis of speaker and the room (size form position) u put it in

To do proper low-frequency tests you need to limit the working crossover the units being tested operate with. This way, you feel only the lowest frequencies up to the crossover point being implemented. The way you are conducting these tests (with no crossover) means you are still feeling the harmonics generated by the fundamental frequency you say you are using (*10hz or *20Hz) examples given. With no crossover being applied means you will feel harmonics from the unit as well and not solely the performance of the unit's true low-frequency potential.

Even if you applied a 30Hz crossover at least that would give an idea of how the units/tests you are doing manage with frequencies only up to that point. Not the included harmonics beyond it which you are still feeling and then telling people how the unit is handling 10Hz.

If we seek to best use, larger units in a role for producing low bass energy from chosen effects. Then we would limit the frequency range they use only for low bass and then apply higher wattage to them. This way we control the dB output only of the lowest frequencies and to obtain the best bass sensations without having overbearing midrange bass frequencies. The best results are obtained this way and having a secondary unit to then do what it does best in generating the mid-bass frequencies. This then reduces the operation strain on a single unit and allows us to have the best low bass enter from below the seat and place other tactile (like exciters) direct to body regions for the mid-bass detailing of specific effects.

We also do not know what extra strain on an amplifier doing this type of modification applies or if it affects the resistance or loads on the amplifier.

 

[eho0730]

Is it possible to run buttkickers and other transducers with this one?
https://www.eu.onkyo.com/en/products/tx-nr616-76093.html

Owning two buttkickers now and using simvibe.

 

[Mr Latte]

Is it possible to run buttkickers and other transducers with this one?
https://www.eu.onkyo.com/en/products/tx-nr616-76093.html

Owning two buttkickers now and using simvibe.

Unfortunately, its seems no, your amp uses 6ohm.
Most AV amps these days are 6-8ohm, not so many are still offering 4ohm support or switching. Check with the manual to confirm if it offers a 4ohm mode via menus or manual switch on the back of the amp. You don't say what BK units you have but I assume you own BK Mini lfe and these use 4ohm resistance. Note, BK Mini Concert and BK Gamer units use 2ohm.

 

[JustinSj]

Mr latte. Instead of the behringer you propose. Is a second hand one not an option as well? With the purpose to have a high quality product at an equal price. In that case, what should be the search condition? I find these amp to cost around 50/60 euros. Most of them are home theater sets.

 

[nolive721]

Yeah but that's all been looked at and covered.
Try the "search" feature. I can say with a fair bit of certainty, you will not find something new or missed regards tactile that people here have not at some point discussed, looked into or tried.

Voicemeter Banana is also an option and one that @asteroulis uses/promoted but never shared in detail the pros/cons it had. Twice he was asked to highlight it to other solutions being shared and benefit the people with a use/interest that follow this thread, he may of been busy at the time but that was about 5 months ago.

See pages/posts around the early/mid 50's - mid 60's
My pref is to find the best solution, which often is via specialist hardware and costs more. I don't mind putting the money into tactile, others want to spend much less or take it less serious I suppose.

I was posting here at the time since I was also trying to set Audio and tactile output through the Mixer function in VM Banana, it was working fine until I had to extend from 4 to 6 bass shakers.
Decided to stop the SW route few weeks ago and went to add another 2 Nobsound 100W stereo amp to my rig so now I have 3 of them driving 6 bass shakers, all controlled via Simhub and I will live with that for now.

great to see this thread still going strong though, no way in million years I could fire up my Sim rig without tactile now, my 8 yr old daughter would complain too that something massive is missing when she puts her hands behind the wheel lol)

 

[Mike McCormick]

Stay away from the Behringer EPQ 304 amplifier as numerous people have had issues with it overheating with shakers. I had one 4 or 5 years ago and I had to run it on a very low setting so it wouldn't overheat.

 

[Mr Latte]

Stay away from the Behringer EPQ 304 amplifier as numerous people have had issues with it overheating with shakers. I had one 4 or 5 years ago and I had to run it on a very low setting so it wouldn't overheat.

Mike, I think it will depend on how and what it's used with, I'm not aware of any major issues with the product. Your welcome to highlight specific cases if you can show the installation and what tactile was used with those that had failures.

Lots of people go with installations of tactile that is far from ideal. What I mean is that much of the energy from the tactile used (like in 4 corners) is wasted. So on these installations you generally find these people run much higher effects output volumes or with generally a rather high percentage of the amps max output.

In the case of what I have recommended the EPQ304. it is with small 40W exciters being placed directly on the seat. So with this installation and usage case. We need very little of the amps actual volume so I doubt it would be an issue. I have not been able to fully test mine yet as still waiting on some components arriving and I have been that busy lately have not been focused on the build.

 

[Mr Latte]

Mr latte. Instead of the behringer you propose. Is a second hand one not an option as well? With the purpose to have a high quality product at an equal price. In that case, what should be the search condition? I find these amp to cost around 50/60 euros. Most of them are home theater sets.

I bought a few amps second hand via ebay. I used the photos to determine how well the amp had been used/looked after. Regards the Behringer iNuke models. I personally went for ones that seemed to be used more in a home studio environment rather than one that was constantly moved around for a band/gigs. Yet some people are charging close to new prices of the updated NXD series for the older iNuke DSP models.

Home theatre amps need specific specs to be suitable. It's covered many times in this thread.
Generally "Multichannel Input" connectivity and having 4ohm support. However these are only perhaps good for the budget tactile (sub $99), or TST models. I would not try to use a Buttkicker based model on them over multi-channels. Some amps have rather tedious menu systems and configurations so they are not ideal options. Maybe more suited to someone that has a few basic tactile and with a bit of user knowledge/experience with AV amps.

 

[Chrhun]

I had my Behringer amp and the Dayton exciters delivered this week, and today I installed them. It was quite quick, I just had to build the wires from Cordial cable, Speakon connectors and some crimp adaptors for the exciters.

I've not really had time to play with it yet, but the four exciters mounted on the seatback work by far better than the Buttkicker Gamer they replaced.

I'm getting this static noise from the exciters when a game plays, same thing on Simhub and Simshaker. Any ideas for this?

 

[White Hawk]

I had my Behringer amp and the Dayton exciters delivered this week, and today I installed them. It was quite quick, I just had to build the wires from Cordial cable, Speakon connectors and some crimp adaptors for the exciters.

I've not really had time to play with it yet, but the four exciters mounted on the seatback work by far better than the Buttkicker Gamer they replaced.

I'm getting this static noise from the exciters when a game plays, same thing on Simhub and Simshaker. Any ideas for this?

You are getting some EMI from something, what I’m not sure, what sound output are you using from the PC? Do you have anything that may emit fair amount of EMI?

I have both the EPQ304 and a small cheaper two channel amp, the small amp does emit a very small amount of interference through the two Dayton exciters attached to it but it’s not load enough to bother me, the ones attached to the EPQ304 amp are much cleaner and I don’t hear anything from them.

 

[White Hawk]

Stay away from the Behringer EPQ 304 amplifier as numerous people have had issues with it overheating with shakers. I had one 4 or 5 years ago and I had to run it on a very low setting so it wouldn't overheat.

Not good to hear, but so far it’s been running cool enough, but I don’t know why anyone would need to run it at high gain, even with an Aura transducer and three Dayton exciters I only need to set it to about 15% at most I guess to get enough vibration.

 

[Chrhun]

You are getting some EMI from something, what I’m not sure, what sound output are you using from the PC? Do you have anything that may emit fair amount of EMI?

Thanks for your reply. I did think about EMI as well, I've got a typical PC setup with all-Fanatec driving gear on my rig, I don't get EMI on any other sound device.

To be more precise, there is no static noise when just running the amp without signal. I can also use Simhub to test the effects without any issue. The issue arises when I run the game (AC in this instance), then I get this rather loud buzzing noise. Maybe if could use an EQ on the signal that goes to the Behringer, then I could try by limiting anything over 200Hz and see if that helps. I need to try another game too, if the issue is specific to AC only.

I'm going get the Noctuas today, I can't stand the amp whine at all!-)

 

[asteroulis]

Thanks for your reply. I did think about EMI as well, I've got a typical PC setup with all-Fanatec driving gear on my rig, I don't get EMI on any other sound device.

To be more precise, there is no static noise when just running the amp without signal. I can also use Simhub to test the effects without any issue. The issue arises when I run the game (AC in this instance), then I get this rather loud buzzing noise. Maybe if could use an EQ on the signal that goes to the Behringer, then I could try by limiting anything over 200Hz and see if that helps. I need to try another game too, if the issue is specific to AC only.

I'm going get the Noctuas today, I can't stand the amp whine at all!-)

What signal are you feeding the shakers? Audio? Telemetry? Which programm? What effect? What settings?

 

[Chrhun]

What signal are you feeding the shakers? Audio? Telemetry? Which programm? What effect? What settings?

Those are good questions. I got the issue sorted, maybe it was EMI - I dropped the volume from the amp (it was 50%) to 25% and increased the gain in Simhub Shakeit. I get the same performance, but no audible static.

Thank you all for taking the time to respond, I appreciate it and very much realize that I'm a newbie on this!-)

Now I'm off to adjusting the effects. I think I'm going to go for RPM, Gear shift, and wheel slip & lock, maybe also big road impacts. These I can work the way that in two channels configuration I should not have too much for the exciters to do at one point in time.

 

[Zoof2]

Im sure its been asked a million times but could someone list some reasonably priced reliable Amps to power to aura base shakers or 4 dayton pucks ?

 

[White Hawk]

Those are good questions. I got the issue sorted, maybe it was EMI - I dropped the volume from the amp (it was 50%) to 25% and increased the gain in Simhub Shakeit. I get the same performance, but no audible static.

Thank you all for taking the time to respond, I appreciate it and very much realize that I'm a newbie on this!-)

Now I'm off to adjusting the effects. I think I'm going to go for RPM, Gear shift, and wheel slip & lock, maybe also big road impacts. These I can work the way that in two channels configuration I should not have too much for the exciters to do at one point in time.

Yeah I’m only using about 15% on the amp and don’t even need to use more than 50-60% gain in Sim Hub and that’s plenty for me.