Title says it all. It's available now, so for those with much more skill than me, how does it fare? Especially compared to Dirt Rally?
DiRT 4 So, first impressions? Where does it stand versus DR?
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looked chupacabra up: sounds reasonable 
i thought more along the lines of food poisoning or someone giving away free beer down the road
i thought more along the lines of food poisoning or someone giving away free beer down the road
Matthew Allington
Wham!ming into Spanish rocks
That looks like a drone to me
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Here is my impression:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/RacingIvysaur/recommended/421020/
Didn't play for a few weeks because I am waiting for the big patch. D4 has some really good stuff, but under the hood there are some tweaks needed. Physics wise, setups wise and quality of life stuff.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/RacingIvysaur/recommended/421020/
Didn't play for a few weeks because I am waiting for the big patch. D4 has some really good stuff, but under the hood there are some tweaks needed. Physics wise, setups wise and quality of life stuff.
nice writeup ivysaur, especially like this: "I would actually prefer more bumps, potholes and uneven surfaces in the road. It still feels a bit flat in some countries.". One of the best features in DR especially Wales.
As somebody who is playing with a joystick on Xbox One (sold my wheel around a year ago), I found that Dirt 4 has highs and lows in physics compared to Dirt Rally. I'm by no means a rally expert though.
Pros:
- the car now feels like it has mass;
- you can't get away with a few things you could at Dirt Rally (mainly in Sweden, where I used to win Group B races at Elite by essentially throwing the car against the snow banks at the points I felt it was right);
- the best game for console on tarmac I've ever tried, it feels just wonderful. Forza should learn with Code here.
- I liked the career mode, immersion at the right point, choice of co-driver is wise too, but there should be more options.
- some important cars added (even if it's at high costs) like the Lancer VI, which I really missed in Dirt Rally.
- Spain is AMAZING, really liked it.
- rain looks and feels way better than in Dirt Rally;
- sense of speed is also better.
- Landrush.
- in Rally I used to disable ABS, set the brake saturation to 135% and be happy, here even with this setting, there is true punishment for slamming the brakes like a mad man. It is more realistic and makes the experience fine.
Cons:
- the car is actually *harder* to control with a joystick than in Rally because of the full wheel movement and the gain in realism is next to none, Dirt Rally was way easier on that, oddly enough (with a joystick, again). While in Rally I could go (my) 99.9% in almost every car (except the Lancia Stratos and the 037..), here I feel very restricted and most of times afraid, still have to restart a few times. With a wheel I'm pretty sure Dirt 4 would be easier like this, though. Tried gamer mode too but found it very hard to predict where the car will be and what it will do, didn't like the feel.
- too much rear grip for non-tarmac surfaces, feels like a circuit racer (the worst problem of the game I think*****);
- it got very hard to control the slides once you get the damn thing to slide, as I would expect in a regular racing game with tarmac circuits, not a rally game (even in RBR I felt I could trust the car way more while sliding... but I played it with a wheel only);
- a translation to brazilian portuguese would be appreciated but forget it if it's badly done like it was made in Dirt Rally: co-driver with several bugs, some (considerable amount of) stages on Elite and Masters being hell because it repeats the same instruction a few times in a row and then it gives the instructions way after -- five seconds? -- the corners were ran, even with the pacenotes set to "Early". Oh, and some translations terribly wrong like "override clutch" being translated to something that could be translated back to "disable clutch";
- the menus look awful and are actually way harder to work with (mainly for a beginner, if I were a beginner here I would be pretty lost with those menus) than Dirt Rally's ones.
- career is too short (though very good) and a lot of things lack any true meaning or identity;
- bug where even without the automatic wipers option on, they just go on automatically at random points, almost every stage. Without me pressing any key (is the grammar here correct? I have no idea of what I'm writing lol).
- graphics on Xbox One are way, way worse than in Dirt Rally, and it doesn't look like this on YouTube videos at all :O. I was impressed by how bad graphics looked and I'm not the kind of guy who cares too much about graphics.
- some cars even with ABS 5, big brake saturation, brake bias almost full front, you touch the brake and it tries to spin.
- the weather changes like the random fog of death appearing and disappearing way too quickly through stages, not like real life. Not to mention that AI seems to gain like 20 seconds against you out of nowhere there. Feels artificial and just bad.
That's it, I liked the game, offers good simulation balance but with the casuality I like (I can't play it every day so I gotta have something realistic but that I still feel sharp when I come back). I'd give it a 7.5 or 8 out of 10. There is pretty of room to improve though and I bought it having in mind Codemasters will improve it. Hopefully I'm right.
Pros:
- the car now feels like it has mass;
- you can't get away with a few things you could at Dirt Rally (mainly in Sweden, where I used to win Group B races at Elite by essentially throwing the car against the snow banks at the points I felt it was right);
- the best game for console on tarmac I've ever tried, it feels just wonderful. Forza should learn with Code here.
- I liked the career mode, immersion at the right point, choice of co-driver is wise too, but there should be more options.
- some important cars added (even if it's at high costs) like the Lancer VI, which I really missed in Dirt Rally.
- Spain is AMAZING, really liked it.
- rain looks and feels way better than in Dirt Rally;
- sense of speed is also better.
- Landrush
.- in Rally I used to disable ABS, set the brake saturation to 135% and be happy, here even with this setting, there is true punishment for slamming the brakes like a mad man. It is more realistic and makes the experience fine.
Cons:
- the car is actually *harder* to control with a joystick than in Rally because of the full wheel movement and the gain in realism is next to none, Dirt Rally was way easier on that, oddly enough (with a joystick, again). While in Rally I could go (my) 99.9% in almost every car (except the Lancia Stratos and the 037..), here I feel very restricted and most of times afraid, still have to restart a few times. With a wheel I'm pretty sure Dirt 4 would be easier like this, though. Tried gamer mode too but found it very hard to predict where the car will be and what it will do, didn't like the feel.
- too much rear grip for non-tarmac surfaces, feels like a circuit racer (the worst problem of the game I think*****);
- it got very hard to control the slides once you get the damn thing to slide, as I would expect in a regular racing game with tarmac circuits, not a rally game (even in RBR I felt I could trust the car way more while sliding... but I played it with a wheel only);
- a translation to brazilian portuguese would be appreciated but forget it if it's badly done like it was made in Dirt Rally: co-driver with several bugs, some (considerable amount of) stages on Elite and Masters being hell because it repeats the same instruction a few times in a row and then it gives the instructions way after -- five seconds? -- the corners were ran, even with the pacenotes set to "Early". Oh, and some translations terribly wrong like "override clutch" being translated to something that could be translated back to "disable clutch";
- the menus look awful and are actually way harder to work with (mainly for a beginner, if I were a beginner here I would be pretty lost with those menus) than Dirt Rally's ones.
- career is too short (though very good) and a lot of things lack any true meaning or identity;
- bug where even without the automatic wipers option on, they just go on automatically at random points, almost every stage. Without me pressing any key (is the grammar here correct? I have no idea of what I'm writing lol).
- graphics on Xbox One are way, way worse than in Dirt Rally, and it doesn't look like this on YouTube videos at all :O. I was impressed by how bad graphics looked and I'm not the kind of guy who cares too much about graphics.
- some cars even with ABS 5, big brake saturation, brake bias almost full front, you touch the brake and it tries to spin.
- the weather changes like the random fog of death appearing and disappearing way too quickly through stages, not like real life. Not to mention that AI seems to gain like 20 seconds against you out of nowhere there. Feels artificial and just bad.
That's it, I liked the game, offers good simulation balance but with the casuality I like (I can't play it every day so I gotta have something realistic but that I still feel sharp when I come back). I'd give it a 7.5 or 8 out of 10. There is pretty of room to improve though and I bought it having in mind Codemasters will improve it. Hopefully I'm right.
This game is frustratingly inconsistent. I took the Fiesta R5 to the daily Australian stage that had the atrocious Evo VI, and I've found a really great setup for it. Driving this stage with the R5 just feels great. The car moves around pretty much exactly like I want it to. If the lateral/longitudal grip was much less it would feel pretty bad.
Btw, this was the BEST Australian stage I've driven so far. Not much repeating of tiles. It was really great.
Btw, this was the BEST Australian stage I've driven so far. Not much repeating of tiles. It was really great.
Matthew Allington
Wham!ming into Spanish rocks
Even within the same class - the Evo VI is an abomination but the (underrated IMO) Escort is very nice to drive.
Speaking of inconsistencies, the AI has moments of being unreasonably fast in every discipline - that's pretty annoying to me.
Speaking of inconsistencies, the AI has moments of being unreasonably fast in every discipline - that's pretty annoying to me.
Yes, The EVO VI is a catastrophy!!
But the Escort Cosworth is a pleasure to drive - it wasn't in DR imo.
Also I like the handling/behaviour of the H2 and H3 cars. The Kadett with a tweaked setup is pure fun and you still have to take care, same with the Ascona. He tends to oversteer...
The Group B cars are a pleasure, too. Pure monsters which are difficult to handle. The Audi for example goes everywhere just by accelerating and that's what I expect from those cars...
So in my opinion not all cars or not the physics in general are bad but there are some cars that need a fix!
No matter which forum I look at people complain about physics all the time and I'm tired about it...there are so many cars in this game and a lot feel pretty good. So give Codies the chance to fix those existing issues and enjoy the well performing cars until it is fixed but please stop complaining!
And all those guys who complain about the repeating tiles in YourStage generated stages should then appear on top of the leaderboards...but I don't think they do!!!!
Ah ok, it's because of the terrible physics
But the Escort Cosworth is a pleasure to drive - it wasn't in DR imo.
Also I like the handling/behaviour of the H2 and H3 cars. The Kadett with a tweaked setup is pure fun and you still have to take care, same with the Ascona. He tends to oversteer...
The Group B cars are a pleasure, too. Pure monsters which are difficult to handle. The Audi for example goes everywhere just by accelerating and that's what I expect from those cars...
So in my opinion not all cars or not the physics in general are bad but there are some cars that need a fix!
No matter which forum I look at people complain about physics all the time and I'm tired about it...there are so many cars in this game and a lot feel pretty good. So give Codies the chance to fix those existing issues and enjoy the well performing cars until it is fixed but please stop complaining!
And all those guys who complain about the repeating tiles in YourStage generated stages should then appear on top of the leaderboards...but I don't think they do!!!!
Ah ok, it's because of the terrible physics
yep, +1 on that. for the first time ever i regretted not having rated the stage because certainly ratings will go into algorhythms deciding further stages.
"Speaking of inconsistencies, the AI has moments of being unreasonably fast in every discipline - that's pretty annoying to me."
spot on, Matthew. However, once in a while they are surprisingly slow, so it all evens out in the end, I guess.
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Oh, I gotta add something: sometimes very crazy stuff happens hahah. I started the Global Racing Series with R5 cars, did a 3:55 in one of the stages, it was an OK run, not great but OK, then I saw AI did 3:35 hahah, thought that time was bat**** crazy and well, checked the leaderboards, the world record is 3:37.. the problem is that the AI was like this the whole event .
.There's definitely some inconsistency with the AI going on. I know they get faster as you progress through the career mode, but sometimes there is an odd rally where their pace just jumps dramatically. Another thing for the glitch list.Oh, I gotta add something: sometimes very crazy stuff happens hahah. I started the Global Racing Series with R5 cars, did a 3:55 in one of the stages, it was an OK run, not great but OK, then I saw AI did 3:35 hahah, thought that time was bat**** crazy and well, checked the leaderboards, the world record is 3:37.. the problem is that the AI was like this the whole event
For Thustmaster TX (playing on XB1) I think this is a better game than DiRT Rally in every facet, and I've played both quite a bit (starting a league here in fact). Physics is mostly preference, but wheel settings are so key., and counter-intuative sometimes.
Oh, another thing I noticed (although I'm not very sure this is the ideal topic for this, but I'm afraid of creating one for such a small and non-proved thing): when you enter the corner one gear higher than you should with low rotation, the car behaves in a way slightly more like in Dirt Rally, by that I mean there is actually a little bit of oversteer (enough to make watching the replay worth it). I don't know for times as I don't know how to go fast with the Group A Impreza, but the rear doesn't "glue" to the ground that much.
Update: tried this in a class which is more "even" and got the 14th global time in a Wales stage with the 2001 Impreza, for Xbox (PC included I would be destroyed haha). A few decent slides compared to previously but still a driving more "circuit like" I admit, but that's just me, I don't slide that much even in Dirt Rally.
Update: tried this in a class which is more "even" and got the 14th global time in a Wales stage with the 2001 Impreza, for Xbox (PC included I would be destroyed haha
). A few decent slides compared to previously but still a driving more "circuit like" I admit, but that's just me, I don't slide that much even in Dirt Rally.
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