Okay , 1 hour has passed and i tested back to back at Nords 15:30 mid clear . Started with Shadow map size @16384 = No change (not even fps) Revert back to 4096 Then Splits to 0, 150, 500, 1000 = no change (not even fps) Revert back to 5 , 80 , 300 , 500 Then Map bias (es) to 1 = no change ( not even fps) then thought stuff it and did all together , shadow map 16384 , splits 0,150,500,1000 and left biases at 1 and you guessed it NOTHING !!! What is going on ? I went back a checked everything was saved to new changed numbers and YES still 16384 , 0,150,500,1000 and biases at 1 . So i changed it all back to my default just to see if it did look better or change at all and i honestly cant see any difference while sitting 55"away from my 55"3840x2160 screen ! WHY ? Anyway i just reverted back to my defaults and left it and now walking away in disgust .lol F**ckin Kunos shadows ,lol , what can you do ? Just hope pCars 2 get it right i guess . Thanks for your help anyway .