Massive understeer

[patchedupdemon]

Hi all, I'm new to ac, is it normal for cars to understeer catastrophically whe. You turn the wheel no more than 45-90 degrees

 

[Stereo]

Yes, the vast majority of cars are designed to understeer when you turn the wheel too much for the speed

 

[patchedupdemon]

Thanks for the reply, this is the only Sim I play, where I can be doing 10,20,30 mph and I can't make the corner because the understeer is so bad, I've watched ac videos and none show this level of understeer.
What could cause this, its definitely not correct, I don't know if there's a setting I need to change,in the car or for my wheel.
T300 set to 900,control panel all default in game FFB 80
Also the brakes don't do anything, it's either I lock the wheels or they don't slow the car down enough

 

[Deleted member 379375]

In any racing, real or sim you should turn the wheel the absolute minimum amount. With the right setup and technique you steer as much with the throttle as you do with the wheel. It's misleading to say they are designed to understeer. They are trying to simulate the behavior of real cars and you can make any car understeer if you want too. You need to look at your driving style and also the car setup. www.driver61.com is a good resource for learning.

 

[patchedupdemon]

No need to look at my driving style, been simracibg for over a decade, this is so shocking it has to be a bugged instalation on my end, the cars won't make any corner at any speed

 

[Deleted member 197115]

No need to look at my driving style, been simracibg for over a decade, this is so shocking it has to be a bugged instalation on my end, the cars won't make any corner at any speed

Did you really come for help here? Don't think so.

 

[Gevatter]

where I can be doing 10,20,30 mph and I can't make the corner because the understeer is so bad

You should post a video of that. I'd really like to see you understeer off track doing 10mph. Make sure to show your inputs with the pedals app, so maybe we can help you out. Stock setups in AC generally are understeery, just as rF2 stock setups are usually quite oversteery.

 

[Stereo]

With the right setup and technique you steer as much with the throttle as you do with the wheel. It's misleading to say they are designed to understeer. They are trying to simulate the behavior of real cars and you can make any car understeer if you want too.

I only said designed to understeer with excess steering input. It's like how cars tend to have caster set up so they self-steer, just one of the things that makes a car easier to drive on the limit.

 

[Deleted member 379375]

No need to look at my driving style, been simracibg for over a decade, this is so shocking it has to be a bugged instalation on my end, the cars won't make any corner at any speed

Ah sorry, it sounded like you were new to sim racing.Yeah a video would be good.

 

[Deleted member 379375]

I only said designed to understeer with excess steering input. It's like how cars tend to have caster set up so they self-steer, just one of the things that makes a car easier to drive on the limit.

Ah, 'set up to understeer' yeah ok I see.

 

[patchedupdemon]

Did you really come for help here? Don't think so.

Why, because I said I don't need to look at my driving style, because I've said many times it's exaggerated, catastrophic, and just plain bugged, the understeer I'm experiencing.
Or do you need to got to your safe space because I didn't word it as politely as I could have

 

[Gevatter]

I can tell you that several thousand people every day don't have the same understeer issues you seem to have. In the end, the only way for us to give you any real help is for you to post a video of you driving and showing your inputs, but here are some pointers:

- Make sure your wheel is set to the same rotation that is set in game. The virtual wheel should sync up with your physical wheel.
- Cars are set up understeery out of the box, so you may need to do some setup work , especially if you're used to rF2. I had the same issue just the other way round.
- Green track is very slippery, set it to fast for more realistic race weekend grip levels.
- Be sure to keep tyre pressures in the "green" range in the tyres app. AC tire model is very sensitive to pressure.

Awaiting your video. Make sure you're not drunk and that it's not your little brother.

 

[Johnr777]

Guys, don’t feed the troll

 

[patchedupdemon]

I can tell you that several thousand people every day don't have the same understeer issues you seem to have. In the end, the only way for us to give you any real help is for you to post a video of you driving and showing your inputs, but here are some pointers:

- Make sure your wheel is set to the same rotation that is set in game. The virtual wheel should sync up with your physical wheel.
- Cars are set up understeery out of the box, so you may need to do some setup work , especially if you're used to rF2. I had the same issue just the other way round.
- Green track is very slippery, set it to fast for more realistic race weekend grip levels.
- Be sure to keep tyre pressures in the "green" range in the tyres app. AC tire model is very sensitive to pressure.

Awaiting your video. Make sure you're not drunk and that it's not your little brother.

I'm old and don't have any recording software, I'll take a recording on my phone and see its viable.
Can promise you it won't be my little bro, but can't promise about not being drunk

 

[patchedupdemon]

Guys, don’t feed the troll

Why am I a troll, pls explain

 

[Jason Mullin]

Did you really come for help here? Don't think so.

NOT speaking directly of @patchedupdemon but,
I think many sim racers don't realize it's all the same small group (myself included) of 200 folks that engage daily on 5 or so different forums.
Symmetrical opinion across the dev sites is a dubious proposition at best.

 

[patchedupdemon]

I don't get it, I asked a question to a problem I have, which is not me bashing ac, I have a problem that's stoppi g me from doing any form of driving, and yet I'm treated like I've come in and slagged off someone's mommy

 

[Jempy]

Let's remain courteous .... and try to find a reason why he's reacting so hard.

There must be something wrong somewhere .... but where and why, that's the question !
There's sometimes a bit understeer in some cars .... but surely not at the level you mention ! ... else it should have been very clear and known everywhere and .... that's not the case.

Or you have a problem in your game, if it is well the original AC bought .... and not a cracked one !
( in the second case, rather not ask here ! )
Or your settings are totally wrong or not applied
Or you really have a problem in your hardware ....

But please admit, it seems a very exagerated statement about AC which we cannot understand ... as surely no one or not many users ( I never knew ... nowhere and never ) did the same conclusion.

 

[patchedupdemon]

Let's remain courteous .... and try to find a reason why he's reacting so hard.

There must be something wrong somewhere .... but where and why, that's the question !
There's sometimes a bit understeer in some cars .... but surely not at the level you mention ! ... else it should have been very clear and known everywhere and .... that's not the case.

Or you have a problem in your game, if it is well the original AC bought .... and not a cracked one !
( in the second case, rather not ask here ! )
Or your settings are totally wrong or not applied
Or you really have a problem in your hardware ....

But please admit, it seems a very exagerated statement about AC which we cannot understand ... as surely no one or not many users ( I never knew ... nowhere and never ) did the same conclusion.

Even if it does sound exaggerated, why are people taking it like I'm saying the physics are crap or the tyre model, I've said from the start it's probably a bug on my end, and never once called the integrity of ac into question.
I've experienced this before in rf2 but it was a mod, now I know from YouTube that ac cars don't behave like this, so it's defo something wrong with my installation.

I'll try checking integrity of files in steam, and if not reinstall, if it persists, I'll bite the bullet and buy some recording software, been meaning to for months anyway

 

[Jempy]

There's already something you might improve: the brakes.

I suppose you're using the T300 pedals ? ... I encountered a kind of same problem at the beginning when I still used the G27 one ( now I'm with a CSP V2 and load cell helps a lot ).
Some cars are braking hard and some don't brake as hard .... normal if you consider Racing cars, road cars, older cars .... they cannot have the same kind of brakes of course !!

With the G27 pedals ( and surely the same with the stock T300 one ) ... brakes may seem to work on-off ...
You already may modify the brake gamma in game .... its original position is 1 .... just make it higher ( but not too high else you'll find the cars with less brakes should brake still less.
( NB: I don't remember my gamma settings at the time ! )
Moreover in many cars setups, you'll find in the "Generic" tab .... the possibility of reducing the brake pression.

For the wheel and your "exagerated" understeer ... there's maybe a problem ... or it might also only be this exagerated braking effect causing this "understeer" if you use trail-braking and not apply a correct pression of your brake pedal.