2013 Formula One Monaco Grand Prix

[JvMr]

So... basically it's Pirelli at fault then, if informing others has not been properly done.

 

[Kartik Sri Harsha]

This puzzled me a little bit with Hamilton... when the Red Bulls passed him on the straight they looked like they were going absolutely flat out.
I thought everyone had to run to a delta but maybe they had some in the bank..
Seemed a bit weird.

Remember they actually got caught by the SC before Casino Square that's the Point where they clearly Lost the time and that allowed them to go faster and hamilton was Going slowly and backed up too much which made both RBR's Jump on him.

 

[Hampus Andersson]

So running a 2013 car is only legal when the requirements above were fulfilled.

Edit: Ok let´s stay in lalaland and focus on the irrelevant bits on why Red Bull protested......................
I can´t bother explaining in plain simple english why as it clearly goes in on one side and out the other.

Even if you read your own posts you should see it yourself but you don´t even do that.

 

[Hampus Andersson]

edited,

 

[Hampus Andersson]

Here´s a very interesting theory and might explain why things look much worse then they really are.

Upon arrival in the F1 press room, one thing that tends to surprise incomers is how helpful everyone is. Far from being a feeding frenzy of competitive journalists all out to sell their own grandmothers for a scoop, it is instead an environment where stories and quotes are shared, where contacts are freely passed on.
One colleague – Sam Collins of Racecar Engineering – came up with an interesting theory in the Monaco paddock: Pirelli are being manoeuvred out of Formula One to make way for Korean tyre suppliers Hankook.
The idea certainly has basis in fact. Pirelli are currently without an F1 contract for 2014 onwards, and the Italian tyre manufacturer is running out of time. Speaking to the media before the start of the season, Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery refused to set a specific deadline, but said that his company would need a contract by late June/early July if they were going to be able to create 2014 rubber for the sport.
That means that unless Pirelli have a contract signed in around six weeks’ time, we’re very unlikely to see them in the sport next year.
So where does Hankook fit in to all of this? Collins discovered a 2011 interview with Cho Hyun-bum, the chief financial officer of Hankook, in which the CFO said that Hankook’s move into DTM was a first step on the road to getting the F1 tyre contract in 2014. “We are keen to do it and DTM is a logical stepping stone,” he said at the time.
According to Cho, in 2010 Bernie Ecclestone approached Hankook about the F1 tyre supply contract. The F1 supremo was looking to get more Asian companies involved in a sport rapidly moving eastward, and Hankook were keen to get involved. But the stumbling block was the eight-month timeframe. As a company with no experience of racing rubber, eight months was not enough time to get the job done well.
Which is why the Koreans moved into DTM, having promised Ecclestone that they would be in a position to supply him with F1 rubber in 2014.
Well, 2014 is fast-approaching, as is Pirelli’s summer deadline. Pirelli are keen to remain involved in Formula One (at the moment – the board could always change their minds in light of the recent barrage of criticism and bad publicity); the teams have all said they’d be happy to continue with Pirelli; the FIA have no bones to pick with the Italian tyre manufacturer.
But the delays to a new contract continue. Collins’ theory is that the delays are coming from Prince’s Gate with a view to setting up Hankook as F1’s next exclusive tyre supplier, and I am inclined to agree with him.

 

[ENDR]

It's not entirely far-fetched if you think about it - this season they introduced two tire compounds.
DTM = Hankook's development and testing grounds before entering F1?

 

[Metalfreaky]

Edit: Ok let´s stay in lalaland and focus on the irrelevant bits on why Red Bull protested......................
I can´t bother explaining in plain simple english why as it clearly goes in on one side and out the other.

Yeah kind of what I expected as an answer from you. You can stay in whatever country you like. If it's lalaland, it's ok. At least you don't have to pack your bags then.

I was thinking of an even more obvious way to explain to you the case, but I couldn't find any. The first paper in my last post kind of says it all.
The reason they portested is that they think (or at least want clarification) that MGP breached sporting regulation 22.4h because they tested outside any event during the season in a current F1 car.
Pirellis special arrangement with the FIA, which includes the requirements Pirelli & MGP had to fulfill (inform everyone + give them the opportunity to take part & test had to be run by Pirelli), is just a point that has to be considered in the clarification process but is not the reason of the protest.

 

[Markus Neumann]

I don't really see this protest going anywhere. Sure, in theory the FIA could exclude Mercedes from the WCC, but honestly, what are the odds? Due to Pirelli's right to pick a team for testing their tyres this whole issue is in a legal grey area, so they can't really be punished too harshly. It's more likely they will either have to pay a fine or nothing at all happens (the most likely outcome).
Also, this whole thing has nothing to do with the Monaco Grand Prix.

 

[Metalfreaky]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107726

This is getting more and more interesting. I hope Pirelli and Merc don't refer to the e-mail from Pirelli from more than a year ago when they say "all other teams were informed", but it kind of looks like they do so.
That would be like inviting someone to your birthday party by saying "next year is my birthday". Couldn't be more unspecific.

 

[Markus Neumann]

Admittedly, this looks worse than I thought. If they were warned about it, it could indeed get costly.

 

[Kartik Sri Harsha]

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1...rned-last-year-against-staging-in-season-test

 

[Hampus Andersson]

Not sure what weight a letter has from FOTA when FIA said it would have been no problems doing the test if you fullfill this and this.

Whats interesting is that now Marko confessed Red Bull was asked but they declined.
Ferrari did one test.
So the two teams who protest have been given the same opportunity so far.

But now they say that because Mercedes did theirs, they should be allowed too.

When Marko says things like this you know it´s milking the cow as much as possible.

“There will certainly be a penalty, because Mercedes’ tyre advantage in Monaco was obvious,” Marko is quoted by Bild newspaper.

If Mercedes wins in Canada he has a point but i struggle to see that.
Especially when they ran with 2014 compounds.

 

[Hampus Andersson]

Apparently Pirelli tested 30-35 different specifications of tires...

 

[Kartik Sri Harsha]

"Pirelli is entitled under the terms of their agreement with the FIA to offer teams 1,000km of tyre-testing, subject to each team being treated equally. However, there are no provisions within the sporting regulations for such testing to take place in-season"

the FIA published its own statement which declared that the test had not been approved and would have only been ratified if it had been run by Pirelli with all the other teams offered an equal opportunity to participate

 

[Hampus Andersson]

First one it seems Pirelli´s own FIA rule overrules any sporting regulations since it would be a Pirelli test rather then a Mercedes test.

If the test was run by Pirelli or not i haven´t found anything on.
Teams being given an equal opportunity we know that the two protesters have been asked and one did a test.

But Sauber, FI etc all say they have no knowledge and haven´t been asked.

 

[Kartik Sri Harsha]

First one it seems Pirelli´s own FIA rule overrules any sporting regulations since it would be a Pirelli test rather then a Mercedes test.

If the test was run by Pirelli or not i haven´t found anything on.
Teams being given an equal opportunity we know that the two protesters have been asked and one did a test.

But Sauber, FI etc all say they have no knowledge and haven´t been asked.

No The First Point itself Overrules your Point. You need to give Every team with equal Opportunity which doesn't happen There are still 8 teams are there if we taken out RBR, SF, Merc.
Lotus and SFI claimed they didn't get any info about the Secret Test and also quoted they are not impressed with the Test.
Most Importantly the Usage of 2013 car is an Important Argument. Ferrari didn't do this Mistake

 

[Tony Holder]

You know, I really enjoyed the race this year. Not really listening to the politics regarding tyres....always something every year in F1. All I want is good racing in every single race....which I feel, we are getting.

 

[Hampus Andersson]

No The First Point itself Overrules your Point. You need to give Every team with equal Opportunity which doesn't happen There are still 8 teams are there if we taken out RBR, SF, Merc.
Lotus and SFI claimed they didn't get any info about the Secret Test and also quoted they are not impressed with the Test.
Most Importantly the Usage of 2013 car is an Important Argument. Ferrari didn't do this Mistake

It´s not that clear cut as you make it seem.

 

[Kartik Sri Harsha]

It´s not that clear cut as you make it seem.

What wasn't clear for you

 

[Hampus Andersson]

What wasn't clear for you

Nevermind, everytime i discuss with you there seems to be a language barrier.
I don´t have patience for that.

It´s english but it´s not. That´s the best way i can describe it.