2021 Formula One Russian Grand Prix

Richard Wilks · Sep 30, 2021

ZuneGuy said:
The only thing that I have seen from you is your devotion to try and belittle the career of the most skilled driver on the grid - Lewis Hamilton, that's it. You have failed to impress me, or impress upon me that you have any true knowledge of anything substantial. In my eyes you haven't substantiated anything that you have spewed, oh sorry I mean, said.

Let me clue you in on something, Lewis is my most honored driver in the sport. He has all the success that makes me proud of him, therefore I don't even have to comment, or reply to, or say anything because his career speaks for itself - IN VOLUMES. There is NOTHING that you can do, or say to change or affect the outcome of his career, and as such I don't have to say anything. I hope for his success and he has it by the boatloads. You see, this is fun for me. It's like Ali sparring in the ring with a weaker opponent, and I am enjoying it immensely.

Another thing that I like about Lewis is that his career makes people green with envy, jealous to the point of insanity. It is their mission to speak against the skill, the records, the numbers, and yes even the money. You have tried to cover all of those topics, and guess what - it ain't changed a thing. He still has the records, he still has the numbers, the wins, the titles, and the money - and I still watch F1 solely to see him do more.

Fortune is on your side in regards to my following of his career, because when he retires, my interest may wane. No doubt that you'll continue your mission of trying to diminish what you can't possibly hope to change, or affect, but good luck with that.

And still here you are, replying to anybody that you feel belitles your hero, and admitting you only follow the sport because of him. Such a fragile hero that needs your "Protection" all the time.

You are no fan of the sport.

Your reasons to follow him and spew your fantasies around here are racially motivated, by YOUR admission.

You know very little about F1, and you keep proving that with every post.

You seem to want people to get "upset" because Hamilton wins, and you do all in your power to be smug and rub his achievements in everybody«s face.

You dont belong here. At least according to you, as soon as he retires, you will be gone. I honestly hope so.

Edit: and if i need any proof you are nothing but a troll, this is your second post in this website:

"I personally hope that Lewis stays in the sport until he's at least 45. By the by, simracing is but a fun little hobby for me. Besides, I just enjoy watching Lewis destroy the rest of the grid every week for the past seven years. Here's to another ten years!!!"

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LeSunTzu · Sep 30, 2021

Would it be possible to create a "who's the F1 GOAT" thread to get rid of all that junk in every GP discussion?

Richard Wilks · Sep 30, 2021

LeSunTzu said:
Would it be possible to create a "who's the F1 GOAT" thread to get rid of all that junk in every GP discussion?

What for? So that Zuneguy can fill it with passive agressive posts about everybody else, and say that Hamilton is the best because of his racial heritage?...

muzikant · Sep 30, 2021

LeSunTzu said:
Would it be possible to create a "who's the F1 GOAT" thread to get rid of all that junk in every GP discussion?

There was a GOAT thread last year. If you wanna know my goats are Clark and Senna but actual not current in this days

Appie Kuipers · Sep 30, 2021

zwiss said:
Of course they were.. but still Lewis is NOT a mediocre driver.
You are a moron if you think it's ONLY the Merc.
That's my point.
It's always the same ****: those that are successful have to be taken down...
My point is: people will bash Max too as soon as he wins the championship.
That's a shame.

I don’t take Hamilton down, outstanding driver. Like others have now, a good/fast car for sure helps, Max, Norris etc feel it this season.

McGherkin · Sep 30, 2021

Richard Wilks said:
What for? So that Zuneguy can fill it with passive agressive posts about everybody else, and say that Hamilton is the best because of his racial heritage?...

Yes. And all the Max fans can whine about MaFIA and how the Mercedes is the fastest car on the grid, whilst ignoring that this year their car is the fastest on the grid.

It can be one big thread full of hatred and stupidity that sucks up all this boring endless pointless debate and leaves these GP threads clear so people can actually talk about the GP.

Richard Wilks · Sep 30, 2021

McGherkin said:
Yes. And all the Max fans can whine about MaFIA and how the Mercedes is the fastest car on the grid, whilst ignoring that this year their car is the fastest on the grid.

It can be one big thread full of hatred and stupidity that sucks up all this boring endless pointless debate and leaves these GP threads clear so people can actually talk about the GP.

Good luck with that. Max fans dont claim he is the best ever as far as i see. In fact, there is no discussion here about who is the "Goat" No other names have been or are usually mentioned around of great drivers in that context, except endless Hamilton diabrite, because zuneguy is trolling everybody about it, and the Hamilton fans latch along when someone replies to his endless drivel.

Richard Wilks · Sep 30, 2021

Since statistics seem to matter so much, here is an interesting one someone posted on another forum:

'wins not in a car that won the constructors' championship that year'. If you look at all the drivers who have won 25 races or more, it looks like this (note: I'm counting McLaren as 2007 winners, and disregarding 2021 wins as the season hasn't finished yet):

Lewis Hamilton - 21 (22% of his wins)

Michael Schumacher - 32 (35% of his wins)

Sebastian Vettel - 19 (36% of his wins)

Alain Prost - 21 (41% of his wins)

Ayrton Senna - 14 (34% of his wins)

Fernando Alonso - 14 (44% of his wins)

Nigel Mansell - 10 (32% of his wins)

Jackie Stewart - 15 (56% of his wins)

Jim Clark - 9 (36% of his wins)

Niki Lauda - 6 (24% of his wins)

cerebralvortex · Sep 30, 2021

The percentage is not that interesting really since that is affected by how long the driver has had a championship winning car and the amount of wins as well..

Doesn't mean much.

Richard Wilks · Sep 30, 2021

cerebralvortex said:
The percentage is not that interesting really since that is affected by how long the driver has had a championship winning car and the amount of wins as well..

Doesn't mean much.

The amount of total wins doesnt factor because its a percentage of the driver's total wins, so the differences between drivers are not factored in massively.

And the point is indeed to try to see what drivers won more races in cars that weren't dominant, or the best, compared with their total wins in their career.

Hamilton has most of his wins driving the championship winning mercedes, so his percentage is lower than some of the other drivers that had less overall wins, but a bigger percentage of their wins were on cars that didnt win the WCC that year.

ZuneGuy · Sep 30, 2021

Richard Wilks said:
And still here you are, replying to anybody that you feel belitles your hero, and admitting you only follow the sport because of him. Such a fragile hero that needs your "Protection" all the time.

You are no fan of the sport.

Your reasons to follow him and spew your fantasies around here are racially motivated, by YOUR admission.

You know very little about F1, and you keep proving that with every post.

You seem to want people to get "upset" because Hamilton wins, and you do all in your power to be smug and rub his achievements in everybody«s face.

You dont belong here. At least according to you, as soon as he retires, you will be gone. I honestly hope so.

Edit: and if i need any proof you are nothing but a troll, this is your second post in this website:

"I personally hope that Lewis stays in the sport until he's at least 45. By the by, simracing is but a fun little hobby for me. Besides, I just enjoy watching Lewis destroy the rest of the grid every week for the past seven years. Here's to another ten years!!!"

Oh, so now you don't want me here. Now it's gotten to the point that I am no longer welcomed on this wonderful site according to you. This is handsdown the best website for simracing fans and enthusiasts, and I am both of those things, but what can I say, simracing doesn't run my life.

No, this is more about the fact that I don't agree with you, or anything that you have to say.

It is also apparent that you don't like my reasons for liking F1 these days, well that's just tough for you I guess, I mean I don't know how else to put it. I don't care how people feel about his achievements, but I do know that you care, shoot you care about his achievements more than I do because you spend so much time trying to take them away - without any possibility, or hope of doing so. The difference is that I celebrate those achievements and accolades because he has done things that no one else thought was achievable, and yes because he is a black individual who has achieved the unachievable - the first and only.

We are all free to debate these things because that is what sports is all about, and that is what I am doing.... debating, with facts though, not with opinions. Just because someone says that Lewis only wins because of a car doesn't make it so. It is simply their opinion, and an opinion only matters to the person saying it, and the people who share that opinion, but it still doesn't make it fact. What is true, what is fact is that he had done something that only a very very few have done, and he did it all keeping a clean record on track.

Between the thousands of drivers who have come and gone over the decades - Lewis stands out for so many reasons.

It isn't my fault that some people have a problem with his achievements, I just like the debate, and I like doing it with facts, no hatred, no opinions, no jealousy, envy, or rancor. When people say it's just the car do you think that it matters in the larger picture - absolutely not, because it is their opinion and that's it period. This is why I don't get bent out of shape over an opinion because well..... they're opinions and not fact.

Richard Wilks · Sep 30, 2021

ZuneGuy said:
Oh, so now you don't want me here. Now it's gotten to the point that I am no longer welcomed on this wonderful site according to you. This is handsdown the best website for simracing fans and enthusiasts, and I am both of those things, but what can I say, simracing doesn't run my life.

No, this is more about the fact that I don't agree with you, or anything that you have to say.

It is also apparent that you don't like my reasons for liking F1 these days, well that's just tough for you I guess, I mean I don't know how else to put it. I don't care how people feel about his achievements, but I do know that you care, shoot you care about his achievements more than I do because you spend so much time trying to take them away - without any possibility, or hope of doing so. The difference is that I celebrate those achievements and accolades because he has done things that no one else thought was achievable, and yes because he is a black individual who has achieved the unachievable - the first and only.

We are all free to debate these things because that is what sports is all about, and that is what I am doing.... debating, with facts though, not with opinions. Just because someone says that Lewis only wins because of a car doesn't make it so. It is simply their opinion, and an opinion only matters to the person saying it, and the people who share that opinion, but it still doesn't make it fact. What is true, what is fact is that he had done something that only a very very few have done, and he did it all keeping a clean record on track.

Between the thousands of drivers who have come and gone over the decades - Lewis stands out for so many reasons.

It isn't my fault that some people have a problem with his achievements, I just like the debate, and I like doing it with facts, no hatred, no opinions, no jealousy, envy, or rancor. When people say it's just the car do you think that it matters in the larger picture - absolutely not, because it is their opinion and that's it period. This is why I don't get bent out of shape over an opinion because well..... they're opinions and not fact.

Oh! So much talk to now back peddle a bit?

Debate? Dont make me laugh, you are a troll and you know it, your post history speaks for itself, you have been registered on this site for more than 10 years (probably to leech content) and you only started talking last year, almost exclusively on F1 threads and to go around preaching the same things over and over again, and provocking and trolling anybody who doesnt kneel down (pun intended) to the Hamilton cult, that you seem to want to be the high priest.

I never saw anybody here belitle Hamilton the way you claim, and everybody is aware of his achievements, we dont need you to parrot them all the time with your hyperbole.

But no, you are not a fan of the sport, you are a fanboy of an individual, and for the worst possible reasons, and thus, i don't think you belong here no. There are Hamilton fan pages and groups for that.

Also, ask Albon about his "clean record on track". Or Rosberg. That one is laughable.

paracletus · Sep 30, 2021

LeSunTzu said:
Would it be possible to create a "who's the F1 GOAT" thread to get rid of all that junk in every GP discussion?

Agreed, this is ridiculous now. Been going downhill for a longtime.
Moderators - can you do something? You guys used to keep things on topic a bit more.

I don't think anyone wants to read all that garbage - might need to use the ignore button.

ZuneGuy · Sep 30, 2021

Richard Wilks said:
Oh! So much talk to now back peddle a bit?

Debate? Dont make me laugh, you are a troll and you know it, your post history speaks for itself, you have been registered on this site for more than 10 years (probably to leech content) and you only started talking last year, almost exclusively on F1 threads and to go around preaching the same things over and over again, and provocking and trolling anybody who doesnt kneel down (pun intended) to the Hamilton cult, that you seem to want to be the high priest.

I never saw anybody here belitle Hamilton the way you claim, and everybody is aware of his achievements, we dont need you to parrot them all the time with your hyperbole.

But no, you are not a fan of the sport, you are a fanboy of an individual, and for the worst possible reasons, and thus, i don't think you belong here no. There are Hamilton fan pages and groups for that.

Also, ask Albon about his "clean record on track". Or Rosberg. That one is laughable.

Hilarious! The whole first two paragraphs amount to nothing more than calling me names like some petulant child. You think that know me on this site. You look at how long I have been using the site, and recall past things that I have said. I can only surmise that I affect you, I get it. I get under your skin, and it's only because I don't agree with you at all, well except with the fact that their is no GOAT in F1.

The funny thing though is that I don't know who you are at all on this site, more to the point I don't care to know.

Now I'm not going to go into what people have said about Lewis on this site, I'm not because (as I said before) it's just a person's opinion, and it's something that we are all entitled to have. Furthermore Lewis did have on track altercations with both Rosberg and Albon in his career, and (of course) you put those incidents right inside your little mental rolodex didn't you?

The fact is that you don't know what either of them would say about those incidents. They may both say that the blame goes with both drivers. But you'd like to think otherwise, you'd like to think that they would say negative things, or completely blame the other driver - because that driver is The Great Lewis Hamilton.

Some would say that Rosberg was to blame, some would say otherwise, and the same goes for Albon. Some say that Albon is one to make very risky moves on track, and I recall Albon punting Magnussen off track just a two races later (only because you reminded me of it). In fact Albon collected more penalty points than any driver in the whole 2020 GP season, so let's not go there because I am talking about a whole career of blatant and deliberate cheating, not a few crashes. Lewis isn't known for doing these things, except to people like you of course.

Oh, and I think that someone needs to remind you that THIS IS NOT YOUR WEBSITE, AND YOU DON'T MAKE THE RULES.

Richard Wilks · Sep 30, 2021

ZuneGuy said:
Hilarious! The whole first two paragraphs amount to nothing more than calling me names like some petulant child. You think that know me on this site. You look at how long I have been using the site, and recall past things that I have said. I can only surmise that I affect you, I get it. I get under your skin, and it's only because I don't agree with you at all, well except with the fact that their is no GOAT in F1.

The funny thing though is that I don't know who you are at all on this site, more to the point I don't care to know.

Now I'm not going to go into what people have said about Lewis on this site, I'm not because (as I said before) it's just a person's opinion, and it's something that we are all entitled to have. Furthermore Lewis did have on track altercations with both Rosberg and Albon in his career, and (of course) you put those incidents right inside your little mental rolodex didn't you?

The fact is that you don't know what either of them would say about those incidents. They may both say that the blame goes with both drivers. But you'd like to think otherwise, you'd like to think that they would say negative things, or completely blame the other driver - because that driver is The Great Lewis Hamilton.

Some would say that Rosberg was to blame, some would say otherwise, and the same goes for Albon. Some say that Albon is one to make very risky moves on track, and I recall Albon punting Magnussen off track just a two races later (only because you reminded me of it). In fact Albon collected more penalty points than any driver in the whole 2020 GP season, so let's not go there because I am talking about a whole career of blatant and deliberate cheating, not a few crashes. Lewis isn't known for doing these things, except to people like you of course.

Oh, and I think that someone needs to remind you that THIS IS NOT YOUR WEBSITE, AND YOU DON'T MAKE THE RULES.

No i dont make the rules. But i still think you don't belong here. You have done nothing but cause problems and derailed any normal conversation into fanboy camp. Just like now, yet again, defending your hero.

I dont want to discuss more Lewis Hamilton with you. And i sugest you indeed keep your opinion to yourself, we all already know what it is, and we are tired of reading it. I certainly am. These race threads are here to discuss the race in question, not to sing the salms of your hero, who has done enough questionable moves and actions to not be considered any saint anyways. I sugest you read the statistic i posted above, but i guess you won't since that one doesnt paint your hero that well.

And you don't know my opinion at all. You dont know nothing about me indeed just like you pointed out.

And yes, you get under my skin because i dont like trolls, specially racially motivated trolls, nobody does, and you are not a fan of the sport. And unlike many, i prefer to call out the trolls and the troublemakers, rather than let you use this site as your personal propaganda piece. So now just zip it already.

ZuneGuy · Oct 1, 2021

Richard Wilks said:
No i dont make the rules. But i still think you don't belong here. You have done nothing but cause problems and derailed any normal conversation into fanboy camp. Just like now, yet again, defending your hero.

I dont want to discuss more Lewis Hamilton with you. And i sugest you indeed keep your opinion to yourself, we all already know what it is, and we are tired of reading it. I certainly am. These race threads are here to discuss the race in question, not to sing the salms of your hero, who has done enough questionable moves and actions to not be considered any saint anyways. I sugest you read the statistic i posted above, but i guess you won't since that one doesnt paint your hero that well.

And you don't know my opinion at all. You dont know nothing about me indeed just like you pointed out.

And yes, you get under my skin because i dont like trolls, specially racially motivated trolls, nobody does, and you are not a fan of the sport. And unlike many, i prefer to call out the trolls and the troublemakers, rather than let you use this site as your personal propaganda piece. So now just zip it already.

Well since you don't own the site, I won't be going anywhere, but here's a novel idea - just don't respond to me. I mean before this week I don't remember ever responding to any of your comments, and I get along just fine in my life, and I think that you should do the same.

I just can't agree with anything that you say. I've told you all of the drivers that I support, and have supported but you persist on talking about one of them, so perhaps I am not the problem here.... it's you perhaps. The fact that you keep calling him a hero of mine even though I've told you that he isn't sort of proves that.

You act as though I am the only person in the world who supports Lewis Hamilton, but there are tons of articles from prominent websites and notable people in and out of the sport who feel the same as I do about this man's career. He is a remarkable athlete, and yes many of them feel that he is already the greatest. I agree, that is how I feel and it isn't going to change.

Zzzzzipped.

Nitro McClean · Oct 1, 2021

After clicking on "2021 Formula One Russian Grand Prix" I read an infinite discussion about Lewis Hamilton. What is going on here? ZuneGuy and Richard Wilks, I think by now we know that you both are not adults yet and can never come to terms with each other. If you like continuing discussing with each other about Lewis Hamilton, can you please do this on some other place, but not as a reaction on a artikel about a Russian Grand Prix? Thank you.

Damage Inc · Oct 1, 2021

Nitro McClean said:
After clicking on "2021 Formula One Russian Grand Prix" I read an infinite discussion about Lewis Hamilton. What is going on here? ZuneGuy and Richard Wilks, I think by now we know that you both are not adults yet and can never come to terms with each other. If you like continuing discussing with each other about Lewis Hamilton, can you please do this on some other place, but not as a reaction on a artikel about a Russian Grand Prix? Thank you.

To be fair to Richard It seems (I don't "know" because I personally blocked ZuneGuy quite a while ago so can't see and don't wish to see the drivel he spouts) from his replies that ZuneGuy is saying the sort of nonsense I see on Farcebook on a daily basis. I think it's best Richard just ignores ZuneGuy, that sort of crap isn't worth responding to.

Richard Wilks · Oct 1, 2021

Nitro McClean said:
After clicking on "2021 Formula One Russian Grand Prix" I read an infinite discussion about Lewis Hamilton. What is going on here? ZuneGuy and Richard Wilks, I think by now we know that you both are not adults yet and can never come to terms with each other. If you like continuing discussing with each other about Lewis Hamilton, can you please do this on some other place, but not as a reaction on a artikel about a Russian Grand Prix? Thank you.

Oh, so the "adult" thing to do is let him be, trolling around, provocking people, monopolizing threads, implying racial differences, and use these threads as his personal propaganda space?

You know what, complain to a moderator. Maybe then we get some moderation back around here. I am all for it. I once reported Zuneguy's provocations and my reply was "use the ignore button". I used it, and i found out some time later when i unignored him that half of the threads were filled with his nonsense. And nobody did anything about it.

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