Cars WSC/90s Group C Cars: Toyota TS010, Jaguar XJR14

[Eric Rowland]

Anyone remember this beast?

 

[Grand Tourist]

Anyone remember this beast?

Care to elaborate pls? Looks super aggressive.

 

[mclarenf1papa]

Anyone remember this beast?

Yeah

Care to elaborate pls? Looks super aggressive.

Allard J2X...high downforce, high drag, relatively poor engine (it was also some 90kg overweight)..topped out at 170-some mph at Le Mans test day...The Toyotas and Peugeots were over 210.

Aerodynamically interesting, but no more efficient than the TS010.

 

[Ryno917]

Care to elaborate pls? Looks super aggressive.

Allard J2X

Thing was way ahead of its time. Sadly it never lived up to its potential.

 

[Eric Rowland]

Here's another one for ye lads......

 

[The-IC]

lol...i think it would be hard to make a faithful representation of the BRM P351, since AC currently doesnt have mechanical failures ...same with the Konrad KM-011 and the Brun C91...

 

[Stereo]

Well, you can set the engine damage to an rpm where you need to run into it to keep pace with the rest of the field. Like how full boost in the C9 grenades it in a couple laps.

 

[The-IC]

Hah, didnt think of that ...can the gearbox get severely damaged with every gearshift, regardless of clutch input too?

I think we'll just stick to the cars already picked for now though, I'd rather do a good job on them first

 

[Grand Tourist]

Allard J2X

Thing was way ahead of its time. Sadly it never lived up to its potential.

Would a modern F1 turbo engine fit in there? I see a modding potential

 

[VaporOne]

That brm.. very intresting.. if i remeber right a open top version was used le mans 1997..
Man it was defintley relible XD.

 

[Feliciano da Silva]

MX-R01 images
http://www.mediafire.com/file/fmqyw9dqro7t9gf/MX-R01.rar

 

[Eric Rowland]

Here's one more you don't see very often.....

 

[mclarenf1papa]

TS010 is hitting 4.3G at Brands Hatch...pretty far removed from the Group-C cars currently in AC.

 

[Brownninja97]

thats pretty nuts.

 

[mclarenf1papa]

Just found some info about the XJR-14 hitting 4.5g peaks, so it seems reasonable that the Toyota is around there - also good that my more or less guestimated physics seem feasible. On that note, the Toyota is essentially done physics wise unless I find some more info that invalidates my tires/aero...I think I have more data for the XJR-14 and I've already made a (basic) Sauber C11 for cross referencing data (mostly just checking lap time deltas and tires...have decent aero numbers for the C11), so the XJR should go fairly quickly once I have a model to work with. I might see if I can get in contact with one of the race engineers of the car from the WSC days.

If we end up doing more than those two (which would be nice - a decent field of interesting Group-C cars), the R91/R93CK seems like it will be an interesting build...not a ton of data but some good points here and there.

 

[AccAkut]

soundwise this is quite special too

 

[The-IC]

Thought I may as well post a video of it moving...

@Feliciano da Silva Thanks

@Eric Rowland Isn't that just the budget-model XJR-14?

 

[mclarenf1papa]

Some lap time reference to see how these cars compare to others in AC...in my hands the TS runs:

1:16s at Donington
1:10s at Brands Hatch
1:45s at Silverstone

I'll also note that they never really ran as high of downforce levels as possible (probably to save tires but who knows), so some lap times are going to be quicker than real life. Donington and Silverstone were done with realistic setups (albeit very quickly made), but Brands was at absolute max DF, so likely a second or two quicker than what the real cars would have run there.

 

[Ryno917]

I'll also note that they never really ran as high of downforce levels as possible (probably to save tires but who knows)

IIRC the tires of the era couldn't cope with the downforce, so this is probably correct. More in terms of the tyre physically failing under load and less about it wearing out quicker in a more conventional sense, though.

 

[mclarenf1papa]

IIRC the tires of the era couldn't cope with the downforce, so this is probably correct. More in terms of the tyre physically failing under load and less about it wearing out quicker in a more conventional sense, though.

Right, that was my understanding as well. Actually, I read about the Intrepid GTP car running over the tires and almost onto the rims at Mosport because they were used to running much lower pressures on previous cars...I'm sure teams in the WSC were running into similar issues.