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Race #02, Malaysia: Post-Race Checks

Discussion in 'Formula SimRacing' started by Eduard Mallorquí, Apr 29, 2014.

  1. Check your actual status of warnings and safety rating of the season HERE.

    Morgan Morand (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Bono Huis (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Atze Kerkhof (2.00) -1.00

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Rearview Driving="0", Virtual Rearview In Cockpit="0", Out of deadline
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for .PLR/multiplayer.ini settings, 1.0 Penalty Points for log sent out of the deadline

    Ivar Kalamees (2.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Petar Brljak (3.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Rob van Starkenburg (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Jack Keithley (2.50) -1.00

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for Incident #4, 1.00 Penalty Points and +5 seconds added to the final race time for Incident #12

    Jim Parisis (3.50) 0.00

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for Incident #10

    Aleksi Uusi-Jaakkola (2.50) -0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: 0.50 Penalty Points and +5 seconds added to the final race time for Incident #6

    Carlos Martín (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Dian Kostadinov (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Blair Disley (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Martin Gosbee (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Adrián Rodríguez (2.40) -1.10

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: 1.10 Penalty Points for Incident #1

    Antonio Kolarec (3.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Eros Masciulli (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Dino Paolini (2.50) 0.00

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for Incident #11,

    Luka Oslakovic (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Patrick De Wit (0.00) -1.00

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Virtual Rearview In Cockpit="0"
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for .PLR/multiplayer.ini settings (2nd time), Official Warning for Incident #7, Official Warning for Incident #8 (0.50 Penalty Points for 2nd Official Warning), 0.50 Penalty Points for Incident #9

    Peter Helmbro (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Zuhaitz Cabo (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Ville Leppälä (1.50) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    David Greco (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Mark Aalberts (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Matt Sentell (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Marcel vd Linden (4.00) +0.50

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A


    Before going straight to the incidents verdicts take into account that there has been some rule changes this year regarding the penalty system and it may seem that penalties are harsher than previous years.

    This year with the introduction of the Safety Rating value every driver gets 0.50 SR for a clean race.
    That means that if a driver has a penalty of 1.5 penalty points he will be able to recover those penalty points doing 3 clean races (0.50 SR+0.50 SR+0.50 SR) while the previous years the driver had to do 5 consecutive clean races in order to “erase” his penalty points.

    Also for this first race the following excel document has been used for all the incidents, but it’s subjected to future changes to try to improve it over the season.


    Incident #1

    Incident #2

    Incident #3

    Incident #4

    Incident #5

    Incident #6

    Incident #7

    Incident #8

    Incident #9

    Incident #10

    Incident #11

    Incident #12

    Incident #13

     
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  2. Is this an incident? i mean if you leave a gap on the inside of the corner and a driver goes for that gap and when he is doing so still leaves plenty of space on the outside this is considered penalty worthy?
     
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  3. Thanks for all your work you make really quickly.

    but i didn't know even if there is no contact there is some negative SR ( or warning ) because you divebomb inside

    I'm not agree with the verdict against Jim Parisis ( case #10 ) and against De Wit. We are friends so i'm neutral when i say this. De wit divebombs were cleans and 3/4 meters far from the parisis's car. I could agree that Parisis had to renounce to go to the inside at midturn, only because he went into a wide entry. and patrick took this opportunity to go inside earlier than jim. That's pure racing.

    for the case #10 Jim overtake try was really great ( he had to avoid de wit late deviation ) but he had too much speed through the corner. He lost his position because he goes into the marbles

    I'm agree that FSR had a bad issue mainly with Ace race with a bad driving but now if we can't overtake without blame because you are not beside your opponent before the braking point. i think this is the wrong way to take. There are some drivers who couldn't divebomb properly ( ok ok i remember malaysia 2012.... :sick: ) and will crash opponents but in WC some guys could do this technique without damage. The fact is there isn't collision in those case you had to review.

    Just don't give up the spectacular because in lower series we had such bad racing.

    Just a constructive post for you Eduard for your future review. :)
     
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  4. Braking so late that it's up to the other driver to notice you in order to avoid a crash can't be considered racing. Here is an example of what happens if the driver in front is not so kind to give you the position:



    And Patrick (and Jim in the other incident) was much behind than in this example.
     
  5. I don't agree but respect what you want to say. but Regarding in our mirror is the minimal requirement of a top level simracer, even real life driver has to look at their mirrors. That's part of racing.
    Considering divebomb as unsportman like is a personal view, considering the move was stick to be done nicely.

    In canada, huis divebombed me in lap 8 in the hairpin. I had to renounce to go to the inside, without that, we collide. I didn't protest because that's part of racing. Just i was bad in this moment and had to agree that a driver could do better moves than me.
    In rfactor2 we have to look our mirrors even more cause of the collision model.
    In french highway code i'm studying, the guy who have the priority have to renounce to it when the situation is not safe. This is the same in Motorsport, even MORE in karting event.

    Canada dive :
    dive at 58:55

    Another dives from real F1 :





    That's my last reply here. just not to make some tornado post again ;)
     
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  6. Same, i might be coming in from 1 carlenght away but as we are steering into the corner we are basicly side by side with me on the inside, the guy does not notice me there and steers in creating a collision, if he would have driven a defensive line coming towards that corner it would have closed the gap for any overtaking. saying that there wasnt a gap in my situation as well is rediculous, it also wasnt the best possible moment for overtaking but saying there was no room at all for an overtake is not in sync with my racing believes. Mind again, at the moment of approaching the apex we are side by side and i could have given the room on the outside for him but he chose to steer into the corner normally where i was and then the collision happened

    ps.
    As seen in the real examples that morand just shared they are dives but all legit, its racing.
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2014
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  7. Quick question. How is a driver who stalls at the start and causes multiple collisions as a result, awarded SR points? Not even a warning? Other drivers got a warning for contact which didn't have a major impact, if any impact at all, on peoples races. Yet they were docked SR points? How is a race in which a driver stalls and causes multiple collisions seen as a clean race? He didn't even move 5 feet...
     
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  8. Edit: Double Post
     
  9. Because he didn't have enough time to press ESC, vd Linden stalled when the red lights were already on.
     
  10. Practice reflexes next time at the start to avoid those collisions..
     
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  11. From my point of view if we allow drivers to dive like that we will end up having a lot of crashes and the broadcasts will look very bad (ACE is just a recent example), for me contact is not racing.

    The thing is, if I don't give official warnings to the people who dives, the drivers that were forced to take an evasive action in order to avoid the crash, will end up turning in so at least the driver who dives will get punished, and I don't want to promote that kind of racing.

    Also the teams involved in those dives protested eachother so I guess it's more a matter of how people understands clean racing and there is room for several interpretations.

    In any case thank you for your constructive post Morgan.
     
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  12. indeed contact is not racing but "dives" etc.

    this is racing for me to the limit but giving hamilton a penalty for this move would be insane
     
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  13. So he gains SR points for not even starting, for sitting stationary? In that case I could just tell my drivers to start at the back, and press escape straight away, and they'll gain SR.
     
  14. It has been like this since 2010 or even before.
     
  15. No, the SR has only recently been implemented.
     
  16. The meaning of the word clean race in the rules didn't change. Last year you had to do 5 consecutive clean races in order to erase all your penalty points, now you get 0.5 SR for a clean race, that's the only change.
     
  17. We have to reconsider what is clean dive, and what is illegal dive. In last video posted by David, was driver 1-2 length behind. Its position, where driver in front can expect dive. In addition Chris suggested it by moving to the inside line a while before (Btw, thats why I dont understand, why driver in front closed the door).
    But Patrick in #7 was 4-5 lengths behind at moment, where Jim started braking. This is situation, where driver is braking to the corner and cant expect such a divebomb. This time was Jim lucky. He spotted Patricks car in last moment and moved out of line to avoid crash. But in a lot of cases it may end bad.
    PS: It looked like some kind of "Senna racing" - move out of the line and let me pass, or we are both out. ;)
     
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  18. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any mention of the definition of a clean race in the rules? Nor in the WC Supplement.

    If there is indeed a definition in the rules, please point me in it's direction.
     
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  19. Yeah, Chris is much closer, however I simply wanted to point out that not always the driver in front will be so nice to give you the position, like Jim did, and twice.

    Exactly. Which is terrible.

    Regarding F1 videos, they are pointless. FSR has its own rulebook and that's the only thing that matters here. However, if you ever took care to read the rules, you'd understand why De Wit's (and Jim's one) moves were not allowed, and why Hamilton's move would have been ok (but quite close!) even with FSR rulebook.

    They can be happy to go away with just official warnings, but I believe it can't be easy to put proper penalties when you have certain lobby ready to complain for every little penalty.
     
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  20. I understand what do you mean, and probably we should modify the current rulebook and specify that only if the driver finished X amount of laps (i.e. 75% of total race laps) he will be able to gain 0.5SR (in case of a race without incidents).

    As there is no technical definition of clean race, I think the only option is to accept it as a "race without penalties", as Edu did.
     
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