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Is the United Kingdom a country?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Bram, Jan 16, 2010.

  1. Bram

    Bram
    Roaring Pipes Maniacs | #27 Staff Premium Member

    Xose and I had a nice discussion on msn over this confusing subject. Which of the brits, or uk-ers :) can fill us in.

    Is the UK a country or not?
     
  2. Bram

    Bram
    Roaring Pipes Maniacs | #27 Staff Premium Member

  3. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
    Premium Member

    My point is... there is only one political entity: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

    That's the nation, which has representants in ONU, UE and other organism in same way France, Germany or Spain has.

    It's true in few sports there are not UK team but Scotland, Wales, England and N. Ireland ones, but that's only in sports where this countries federations are founders, like Rugby or Football, but it's an exception, for the rest you have a UK team (motors, olympics...)

    This countries have their own parlaments and presidents, but same happens in Spain for instance, every Autonomous Community has their own parlament, president and independent elections, own police, own taxes system, own laws... in fact more independence than any of the UK countries regarding the UK itself.

    This conversation comes from the fact that is naturally accepted that for simracing (not for real racing), you see drivers racing under Wales flag in international communities, but for example racing under Andalusian, Valencian or Catalonian flags for instance, are not allowed because are considered "regions". There is some kind of "privilege" with UK in this matter :D
     
  4. Bram

    Bram
    Roaring Pipes Maniacs | #27 Staff Premium Member

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  5. Right. As I am from the UK, I think I can solve this one.
    No, the UK is NOT a country. It is a collection of countries, which sometimes club together for such things as sporting events etc.
    The full name of the UK is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain is the three mainland countries in the UK: England, Scotland and Wales. It only becomes The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland when Northern Ireland is added into the equation.
    As for the eight rules of a country, each country follows each of those rules. Allow me to explain.

    From the Norman Conquest of England in 1067–1283, Wales came under the control of the English, and today, make the decisions over it (and hence fulfilling the 8 criteria for it) as if it were England.
    In 1603, after the death of Elizabeth I of England, the James VI of Scotland inherited the throne and became James I of England. England, Wales and Scotland became unified through a leader, and nowadays England fulfills the 8 criteria for Scotland too, working it's economy, education, health, borders etc (give or take a Scottish Parliament :D)
    In 1800, Ireland (the whole of it) decided to merge with The United Kingdom, and was therefore controlled by the English Parliament. However, this angered certain leaders in Ireland and so in 1919, after over 100 years of total unification, Ireland split into a northern half, incorperating 6 counties to be ruled from Belfast, and a southern half, to be ruled from Dublin. The Northern Half stayed on in the UK and the southern half gained independence. This is the history of the UK.
    In conclusion, the UK is not a country. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries.
     
  6. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
    Premium Member

    So I can go to the Wales embassy?

    There is a Wales UN representation?

    Sorry but there is not, from a legal perspective, Wales is a region of the United Kingdom, and is not a Sovereign country.

    Note that I'm not discussing this from a "feelings" or cultural point, if you go to many places in Spain you will find a lot of people saying Catalonia, for example, is a country itself, but I'm talking from a legal and actual perspective.

    Catalonia (and all the 17 Autonomous Communities) if they want) has his own education, official languages, taxes, security forces, parliament, president... and more autonomy (this is a fact you can compare) that Wales or Scotland from the UK, but you can't go to a Catalonian embassy in same way you can't go to Wales embassy.

    Sorry but no, Wales is not a recognised independent nation, is a region of UK from a legal perspective.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

    http://www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml

    http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/index_en.htm


    Cya!.
     
  7. I agree with Xosé, and in my view it is not other country there apart of UK.

    Look, the one on the right is David Coulthard:
    [​IMG]
    Sorry, maybe I was too obvious posting a Coulthard pic? I really don´t mather about this issue, but lñaws are there for something, and there is where Xosé is pointing at. Only that. :)
     
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  8. No serioulsy, it is a politycal matter that I really don´t like. So I prefeer to avoid talking about it. :)

    If wikipedia recognize Scotland as a country and UN don´t, then it is a country definetly. :D
     
  9. David Buxton

    David Buxton
    Premium Member

    The British embassy covers Wales, Scotland and England.... So I believe.
     
  10. this thread should never had gotten past the start line as it is answered itself is in the initial question :)

    how? well kingdom in the English language refers to a "state" with a monarch (king or queen) at it's head
     
  11. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
    Premium Member

    First of all, I don't pretend to make a political thing out of this, I'm not talking about what it should be or what it's fair, was just curious about the subject, I understand there are different feelings about it but as you know I'm from Spain so I'm neutral on it.

    For instance, is not possible England enters a war and Scotland don't, and that's proof of they are same "country" in legal terms.
     
  12. Omer Said

    Omer Said
    Weresloth Staff Premium Member

    As i remember, in 2000 - 2001 or earlier years, Coulthard's flag was scottish. What is changed ? Why is he using UK now ?
     
  13. Guys guys
    you are making a big error here

    UK is not a country
    It is an island :)


    anyhow...for me it is more recognition as UK as a whole country like Xosé pointed out
     
  14. Bram

    Bram
    Roaring Pipes Maniacs | #27 Staff Premium Member

    This is seriously a great discussion :) I also though that officially England, Scotland etc were sovereign countries, but if you start looking at the facts, especially the official criteria there are not :)

    Check out this list of sovereign states:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

    No England!

    Check what they list as the UK:
    Widely recognized member of the UN and the EU. The United Kingdom is a Commonwealth realm divided into four parts.
     
  15. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
    Premium Member

    Because it doesnt exist officially a country called Scotland, so FIA don't recognise that as possibility, so is not allowed to do it.
     
  16. UK is a nation. England etc are countries.
     
  17. LOL wtf do they FIA know about anything:) they struggle to get to grips with their own subjects never mind anything else :bla:
     
  18. Ross Balfour

    Ross Balfour
    #99 | Roaring Pipes Maniacs

    No one cares about Northern Ireland anyway :D

    We are a country but are in the United Kingdom. Its like Finland, Sweden etc. Being part of Scandanavia