RDHGP S6 - Round 2 - Anderstorp GP - 100km - 25th Nov 2010

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Stuart Thomson

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Knowing Me, RDHGP S6, Knowing You, Round 2. Aha!

Welcome back to Round 2 of RDHGP S6. After the False Start that was our first attempt at Mosport, and the subsequent rescheduling discussions, we finally managed to open Season 6 and I hope that it didn’t disappoint – it certainly didn’t for me. As a lot of us had been saying and predicting, it was more than pretty even in laptimes, with less than 2 seconds covering the first 21 qualifying positions.

There were a few accidents, but as I had hoped after a quick review of the race, nothing was reported to me. The nature of Mosport means that there tend to be very few “little” accidents, the track’s high speed and high cresting tending to exacerbate loss of control, and relatively short and slippery run-offs surrounded by hard walls and tyre barriers mean going off is more likely to be race ending than elsewhere. Combine that with the difference in car performance, braking distances and our still relative inexperience in them means that we are still working out the knots. Considering that, I’m pretty happy with Round 1.

The only issue I have is that there was a driver in Round 1 who was very aggressive in Lap 1, passing a lot of people, but nearly always with sparks flying off the cars as they made contact. I’m not going to name names here, you can check your replays if you think it might be you, and if it was, please adjust your driving accordingly.

There were some people with technical issues, which is always unfortunate, especially at the first round of a League. I will give the benefit of the doubt for Round 1 with regard to technical no-shows, but after that, if you don’t show, you will get an infraction. Furthermore, blaming the skinpack at any stage will not be considered a valid technical reason for a no-show. There were 26 people on the server all using the skinpack without issue, so we know that it works.

Round 2 takes us over 3,800 miles NorthEast to the Gislaved Municipality, Jönköping County, Småland, Southern Sweden and the Scandinavian Raceway at Anderstorp.
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Circuit Notes

Located about 50 miles North East of fellow circuit venue Falkenberg, the Scandinavian Raceway at Anderstorp was built in 1968 on local marshlands. It became very popular just as Ronnie Peterson was at the height of his powers. The circuit hosted the Swedish F1 Grand Prix on 6 occasions during the 1970’s, notably it was the site for the first and only win (and also the first and only appearance) of the infamous Brabham “fan-car” in 1978. However, after the deaths of both Peterson and fellow Swede Gunnar Nilsson in that 1978 F1 season, public support for the event dried up and the Swedish Grand Prix was no longer on F1’s calendar.

The circuit has changed very little since its inception. People’s impression of Anderstorp is one of a convoluted and twisty track, but it actually only has 8 turns in its 4.03 km layout, which is actually 2 fewer than Mosport, generally perceived to be a simple, high speed track. It’s the nature of the Anderstorp corners that give this tight and twisty impression, however, with 4 of the 8 corners being 180° or more, and the rest being between 90° and 120°. Most of these have fairly wide radii, so you feel like you’re turning forever. Anderstorp has one of the longer straights in the League season, but in the context of the lap, it’s more of a relief to just be going straight for a while.

Now, the track map attached here, and the one on the Racing Circuits db differ in their location of the S/F line, Racing Circuits agreeing with GTL, so for the purpose of the track notes below, I will refer to the corners as numbered and named on the map, but in the order we will be driving them. If my memory is failing me, and GTL agrees with the map, I’ll re-write the below to be consistent.

Therefore, the first corner we approach as a timed lap starts is TR6 – Södra. It is positively cambered for the first half of the corner, but that camber flattens on exit as we accelerate onto the long, and not-quite-straight Flight Straight. The straight bears slightly right and narrows before the hard braking zone into T7R – Norra.
Norra is a relatively basic 90° right hander, with no, in fact possibly some negative, camber to add some difficulty to it and keep drivers honest. A short burst of acceleration out of Norra takes us rapidly onto the approach for one of the trickier corners and Anderstorp, T8R Läktar.

Läktar itself is an almost set-square regular 90° right hander, with no real camber to speak of. The difficulty comes from that simplicity and by the way speed that drivers want to take it, the high bumpy kerb on the inside and the high bumpy kerb on the outside exit both waiting to unsettle the car and snap the nose around. The corner begs to be attacked, but drivers not treating this corner with respect will pay for it.

Out of Läktar, it’s a blast to T1R, the (in our case) ironically named Start Kurva. This is the first of a run of those wide, but mid speed hairpin 180° turns. Some Industrial Strength positive camber allows this to be taken far quicker than their radius would normally allow. Once out of there, the camber turns over as you brake hard for the first left hander of the lap, T2L – Opel. Almost the mirror image of T1R, heavy camber allows it to be attacked, opening onto a short straight. You go past the link on your right where the South Circuit short course rejoins the GP course, and then it’s heavy braking into T3L – Hansen.

After the previous corners, this is a bit of a sucker punch, negatively cambered so too much speed or too late a turn in will run you off the outside. Negotiating this turn takes you under the Gislaved Bridge and into T4R – Continental. An almost punchbowl of a corner it’s banking allows some speed to be wound on, with the difficulty being the immediate and hard braking required as the camber comes off for T5L – Gislaved.

This is the tightest corner on the circuit, and it is again flat or almost negatively cambered, so caution is paramount. Out of Gislaved, no doubt trying to hold onto your snaking rear end under acceleration, and across the S/F line to complete a lap at the Scandinavian Raceway.

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The Race Director has some notes for drivers. Please see the track map above for location of Race Direction note:-

All Corners Without Exception – The kerbs are not deemed as track, therefore 2 wheels must be within the white lines, on the tarmac, At All Times. Again, there are NO exceptions to this rule at any point on the circuit. Any exception to this rule is deemed illegal, any advantage gained by this method must be ceded immediately. Report people deliberately and excessively cutting.

T6R – Södra. As always, be aware in Lap 1, of people as you turn in here, it will be slow and crowded. has the possibility to cause huge problems if drivers don’t respect each other. Round 1 was actually pretty good, so I’ll assume we all want to finish a race and not just start one.

T7R – Norra. As mentioned previously, you will need to be aware of the differences in braking distances and relative manoueverability of the cars.

T3L – Hansen. It is very easy to drift off the outside here, and the base of the bridge is waiting for people being overexuberant. It is also a dangerous place to rejoin if you do go off, as people may well be unsighted as they round the corner. If you go off there, take your medicine and do not just try and force your way back onto track.

All points on the track – General Items
No lights are to be flashed at any stage, under any circumstances, during the race.
No Chat during the Quali or Race except by Race Control for information.
The Track must be re-entered safely so as not to ruin other peoples races.
Car damage must be assessed realistically to know if it is possible to make the pits or not.

Incidents, Investigations and Penalties

There were no incident reports and therefore no driving penalties levied for Round 1.

I will give people whom I know were having technical issues the benefit of the doubt for Round 1 and not levy any no-show penalties on them. I’ll even be lenient on Fernando who at least posted up to say he couldn’t make it. Others with whom I’ve had no contact whatsoever will receive an infraction.

There are 3 No-show penalties being levied after round 1
· H. Smolders
· G. Migazzi
· G. Camargo

All receive an infraction for Round 1. 2 consecutive no-shows will mean removal from the League.
Please remember, the League staff will only review incidents if they are reported to them.

No report = no review.

Please try and remember the incident reporting guidelines: review, cool off, review again. Only after following the above process, and if you are convinced you still need to report it, should you let the League staff know. Please give as much information as possible during the report (time of incident, drivers involved etc.) Accident reports made within 24 hours of race completion will be ignored.

Any accusations or complaints aired in the Chat during or after a race will mean a penalty levied on the person complaining or making the accusations, even if a subsequent official complaint gets found in their favour. I simply will NOT tolerate any post race finger pointing.

Liveries
You have chosen your car and livery already, and you must only drive your chosen car at any time during an RDHGP event. Every driver has a unique livery in this season of RDHGP.

Scoring System
Points are scored down to P20 (75% distance completion required) so people can fight for some points no matter where they are on the track, and hopefully have a season long battle with people around them in the League.

The Distribution is as follows for 100km events :
P1 - 25 pts
P2 - 22
P3 - 20
P4 - 18
P5 - 16
P6 - 15
P7 - 14
P8 - 13
P9 - 12
P10 - 11
P11 - 10
P12 - 9
P13 - 8
P14 - 7
P15 - 6
P16 - 5
P17 - 4
P18 - 3
P19 - 2
P20 - 1

1 point for fastest race lap
1 point for qualifying on Pole
 
Nice piece of work Predrag,( how did you do that?)

I had made about 30 screens to my report only to discover I had 30 pics of my desktop brb
I'm using FRAPS for screens and videos, and one little proggy called Photoshop. :)
I have experience in Photoshop a lot (I'm a graphic designer), so it is not a big deal to make this comics after each race I guess. This first comic was time consuming because I had to make a template from the scratch, and I had few combinations for some elements, so...

Notice the depth of field in second image, god how much I love DOF (I'm a photographer also, have DSLR). :D
 
Krzysztof, I have replay and watch this moment too from different views.
Frankly, I do not know what hit from behind can be classified as a hit by the car, which goes ahead.:confused:
This passage of this corner - this is my usual trajectory. First, I get a little inside, then I got a little lays out (in the center of corner), and I re-enter inside. So I do to start acceleration earlier car. Can go so wrong, but I'm so going through this turn.:)
I do not shut your path as you thought. I went as usual to me.

Before this incident, I may actually shut you the path from entry into the penultimate turn. I admit it. Here, maybe I'm wrong. Just pay attention to what it was once, but not "all the time", as you said.
And I repeat that I am not going to anyone officially / unofficially blamed. I just think that was right in that episode. And I'm not going to close your trajectory. I'm so I go usually.

Krzysztof, I did not want to offend you. Maybe I have little experience, but I think it was more right than you do in that situation.

Dmitry you did not offend me. On the beginning of my simracing career I was exactly the same thinking as you, so I understand you. And you cannot take your brst line when another car is next to you, you are not alone on the track.

Sorry for this "all time", you are right it wasn't all time.

Generally is like that:

if you rear wheels are on the same level as front wheels of the opponent, your opponent has a right for taking inside and you should leave him a space and go wide. And your opponent must leave you the space on outside.

During my all simracing career each time I was guilty I apologize and wait for the driver. Here I think it was unfortuantely your mistake that is really very difficult to avoid and judge the distances.

I prepared the movie, here you can see that my front wheels was in the half of your car.


I hope you will understand this, I do not want to have any argues or unpleasant situation with you, I think you are really nice person and I like your approach to the topic.

I think more experienced drivers should take a voice here, because such contacts are very often in simracing.

Only I defend good name of myself, pity we are doing it in public forum not via PM.


Best regards
 
Dmitry you did not offend me. On the beginning of my simracing career I was exactly the same thinking as you, so I understand you. And you cannot take your brst line when another car is next to you, you are not alone on the track.

I hope you will understand this, I do not want to have any argues or unpleasant situation with you, I think you are really nice person and I like your approach to the topic.

I think more experienced drivers should take a voice here, because such contacts are very often in simracing.

Only I defend good name of myself, pity we are doing it in public forum not via PM.


Best regards

Since I started all this, I believe further discussion on the general forum is not necessary. I moved to the PM, as correctly suggested Krzysztof (I had to do first).
 
Actually I could use the correct soution to the above incident from some of the pros so that I can be more comfortable as to how to handle this kind of situation because it occurs fairly often to me as I am being passed more than most and I'm not quite sure as to the proper approach. The thing that really bugs me is the lack of peripherial vision. I can't seem to pick up cars from my rear doors forward until it is too late sometimes. Sometimes I can hear the sounds of their engines but cannot them find using all of the view commands from inside the cockpit. I probably would have bumped Krzysztof also but due to lack of picking him up in my vision. If people don't want to respond here (to stay neutral ) I understand.
 
Quailyed in 6th on my last flying lap which was nice :). Got quite a good start but lost a place going into the back straight to Amir but got back to 6th after Perdrag braked a bit to early and me and Amir went through. Coming onto the next straight i managed to get a run on Amir and pass him going into the next corner and up to 5th. Just before the end of the first lap Krzysztof spun and Ivo also spun going into the last corner which put me up into 3rd :0 with Amir and Predrag right behind me. Lap 2 i made a mistake and ran wide putting Amir up to 3rd and me down to 4th with Predgrag close behind. Then a lap or so later Amir ran wide and me and Predrag going through and me back up to 3rd :) .

A few more laps in and Perdrag made a mistake behind which put me in an easy 3rd :0. Then all of a sudden Andreas who was leading spun into the last corner which put me right behind him and going for 2nd. I managed to just stay in touch with Andreas for a few laps but missed me braking point and run into the gravel trap and back to 6th with Predrag,David and Amir going through. Then came the awesome scrap between me Amir and David with me and Amir trying to get passed the Pantera which is scary fast down the back straight but looked like a right handful in the corners. I must say David was doing an incredible job holding both of us off n1 Dave :). This battle went on for over half the race and was some of the best racing ive had playing GTL cracking stuff :).

But sadly it wasn't to last, as we were scraping it out i could see that Ivo behind catching us up so i new i had to try and make a move on getting passed David. With a few laps left Ivo caught us and went straight passed me down the long straight and he tucked in behind Amir. But going into the next corner Ivo ran a bit wide and with nowhere to go Amir went wide and onto the grass which left me right behind Ivo and chasing after David. Then with a couple of laps to go and with Ralf and Amir catching up, Ivo ran a bit wide and i went up the inside and tryed to get a tow behind David for the next straight but got to close and hit the back of him which put us both on the grass......:frown: I cant say sorry enough to David especially after all the hard work he had done trying to keep us behind...:sorry: I was really looking forward to a last lap scrap. After that i felt like finishing the race in the pits i felt that bad, but just drove round to finish 7th.

I just have to say, apart from the end, that between me Amir, David and Ivo that was some of the best on line racing ive had awesome stuff....:)

 
All, there has been an incident report filed, so results will stay provisional until that has been resolved.

What I'm intending to do is to get myself & Carlos (assuming we aren't involved of course) and then a group of 3 drivers from the League (who aren't involved in the incident) to look at, and then vote on, the penalty.

The group of 3 drivers will rotate around, not being the same 3 each time, so you may all have a chance to have a say in League protocol. The 3 drivers will remain anonymous from everyone but myself or Carlos (depending on who is running the investigation).

If you receive a PM from me about this you have been chosen, please reply ONLY to me (or Carlos if he is running the investigation), and do not let on that you have been chosen, please.
 
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