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[ROUND 9 SPA] PJD vs TBR

Discussion in 'Simracing Team Challenge' started by Xosé Estrada, Jun 4, 2010.

  1. No penalty

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  2. +15 sec

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  3. +30 sec

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  4. +60 sec

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  5. No points

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  6. No points / no qualy in next race

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  7. No points / DQ for next race

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  1. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
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    Disadvantaged car: Grégory Cogotti
    Team: PJD

    Reported car: Andreas Loffler
    Reported Team: TBR




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    Andreas braked too late in the first corner, into the first lap. He hit Grégory Cogotti on the rear. Grégory's car was damaged and he have to pit in order to repair.
     
  2. Grégory Cogotti

    Grégory Cogotti

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    Please wait for the TBR explanations before voting.
     
  3. Ivo Simons

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    Talked to Andreas. He said he didnt knew he hitted someone. He thought he just passed the car on the inside.
    But he looked at the replay and saw that he hitted the PJD car.

    Personal opinion looks like that car is hit by missle instead of a car. :D
     
  4. Michael Hart-Jones

    Michael Hart-Jones

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    I saw a small bit of an Israeli submarine just at the edge of camera shot, based on that evidence I would vote "No Penalty" :wink:

    From looking I would call this an accident due to weather conditions and lag. +15 from AnE.
     
  5. Ross Balfour

    Ross Balfour
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    Touch of lag from Greg there, I want to know did Andreas have the same lag.
     
  6. Grégory Cogotti

    Grégory Cogotti

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    I believe Andreas, sometime hits are very strange, maybe a micro lag can amplify the contact, and the rain too. The problem is that my race was ruined in the 1st lap :( Don't worry, i'm not angry, everyone can do a mistake like that (me the first). I prefer to have a race ruined by an opponent instead of a stupid minidump or a bad internet provider :)
     
  7. Flavio Borgna

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    COR - we all agree for +15 sec
     
  8. Eckhart von Glan

    Eckhart von Glan

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    unanimous decision on forum: +15 secs from Blue Flag. Yes, there is lag; but yes, it is t1.
     
  9. John Westerlund

    John Westerlund

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    I can't seem to get a handle on how this is judged any more..
    For the last couple of races we have hade judgements for Lap1 T1 incidents. They have been judged "harder" than if it were any other corner.
    Except this one... Strange..
    +30 sec since it is L1T1.
     
  10. Ross Balfour

    Ross Balfour
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    John, the reason people are voting 15 seconds (like last week on your team's car) is because there was lag. I think all T1 incidents have resulted in a 15second penalty, I can't recall any 30second penalties on Turn 1 corners.
     
  11. John Westerlund

    John Westerlund

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    In the incident with Fredde at Donny there was no damage except loss of position (hence +15 sec is "ok").
    At Trois Rivieres Dragos Haba got +30 for an incident a lot closer to this one with damage to the disadvantaged car.

    That's why I'm confused..
     
  12. Ross Balfour

    Ross Balfour
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    oh...how could I forget that one :D:D Very true, Dragos did ruin Jack's race in the other team's view in that incident, here it was just some damage, but Greg could still race on. I stand-by my view on WAR, we shouldn't let the team bosses decide, as that will always end up in disagreement or "Oh, he voted harsh against us that time, lets vote harshly against him" There should be 1 or 2 independent people who look at the incidents and make their decisions.
     
  13. Grégory Cogotti

    Grégory Cogotti

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    We vote +30s, because is the time i lost during my pit to repair. I think it's fair.
     
  14. Eckhart von Glan

    Eckhart von Glan

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    @John and Ross: we did not go for the +30 even though it was t1 l1 because the lag was evident and I also have the feeling after watching this several times also on my own replay that it was the lag which sent the Project D car off in that crazy line, where usually a touch that lightly would have resulted in maybe losing the line but not smacking full force into the wall. That at least is my view. As for independent inquiry: who on earth should that be?
     
  15. Tom Ilsbroux

    Tom Ilsbroux

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    FO voted for +30sec. T1 and Andreas overshot his braking by far, he couldn't take the corner normal anymore. Lag wouldn't have make him brake to late, he took to much risk. I wonder however why there was such a big hap infront of Grégory, this may have put andreas up to take more risk.
     
  16. Grégory Cogotti

    Grégory Cogotti

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    There was this gap because i spinned a little into the last corner before passing the starting line (stupid rain :p)
     
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