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[ROUND 4 SUGO] ANE vs APX

Discussion in 'Simracing Team Challenge' started by Xosé Estrada, Apr 16, 2010.

  1. No penalty

    20.0%
  2. +15 sec

    60.0%
  3. +30 sec

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  4. +60 sec

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  5. No points

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  6. No points / no qualy in next race

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  7. No points / DQ for next race

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  1. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
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    Disadvantaged car: Michael Hart-Jones
    Team: ANE
    Reported car: Ries Notenboom
    Reported Team: APX





    Description:



    Ries made no attempt to make any adjustments to allow for the slower car in front of him. He made a collision on the final turn on the final lap. This destroyed Michael's splitter and almost cost him the position.

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    +15 secs (absolute majority with 6 votes)
     
  2. Ivo Simons

    Ivo Simons

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    Can those Ane videos please be captured in normal speed? Very hard to judge to see any speed differences with speed X2.
     
  3. Michael Hart-Jones

    Michael Hart-Jones

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    I'm happy to redo them if you wish. I will do this within the hour.

    I thougt something didn't quite look right.
     
  4. Ross Balfour

    Ross Balfour
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    The only issue I have is that is the ANE car a lap down? If so I hardly see how it can be penalized as surely the backmarked car should of moved over??
     
  5. Damian Henderson

    Damian Henderson

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    I think Ries had that server lag at this point, said something on TS about it during the race, I'll get confimation next time we speak. Was allot of server lag at stages, so some of the incidents could be caused by that, maybe not though, but we can find out.
     
  6. Ross Balfour

    Ross Balfour
    #99 | Roaring Pipes Maniacs

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    My decision on this incident:

     
  7. Michael Hart-Jones

    Michael Hart-Jones

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    Ross, the rules are set out


    Its a little bit of an unfortunate situation, the pace at which Ries comes up behind me meant I did not know he was coming in until that very corner. I always move out of the way for any lapping car but I was not given ANY opportunity. This incident cost me almost 20 secs to recover and almost ended my race at the 2nd to last corner on the final lap.

    Surely you cannot say that isn't a little unfar.
     
  8. Damian Henderson

    Damian Henderson

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    Michael please don't judge so much until I get confirmation of Ries if he had the server lag or not at this time. There was quite a bit of server lag for most of us last night at stages of the race. I was even lucky not to get involved in some incident early on because of it, as cars where jumping backwards and forwards quite allot.
     
  9. Michael Hart-Jones

    Michael Hart-Jones

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    Please, don't feel I am judging Ries, that is not my place but the place of all the team managers. I am mearly trying to understand Ross' view.
     
  10. Damian Henderson

    Damian Henderson

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    No Problemo. If there is no lag I would probably say Ries is at fault but I would like to see some different angles and a video done at real time speed as it's a bit hard to fully judge the incident from the video posted, and of course confirmation of Ries if he had lag at this stage or not.
     
  11. Michael Hart-Jones

    Michael Hart-Jones

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    I have redone the video for you

     
  12. Mikko Korkiakoski

    Mikko Korkiakoski

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    No lag: clear penalty
    Lag: hard to judge.
    It is very hard to force a penalty to your own team and be neutral so I think in the future teams involved in an incident shouldn't vote on the penalty...
     
  13. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
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    Well, I thrust Ries, just ask him and if he say he has significant lag that made the situation uncontrollable for him, then you have an answer.

    He can provide his replay also, lag gets "recorded" in client replays.

    Cya!
     
  14. John Westerlund

    John Westerlund

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    Std bump. +15sek
     
  15. Damian Henderson

    Damian Henderson

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    Ries did have a touch of lag but not enough to cause the out come of this incident he says. So for this we vote +15.
     
  16. Eckhart von Glan

    Eckhart von Glan

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    dooh coming too late to vote :( sry, no excuse for my behaviour. We would have voted +60 as for us this showed serious disrespect of other players.
     
  17. Grégory Cogotti

    Grégory Cogotti

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    +15s but too late sorry :(
     
  18. Mike Simian

    Mike Simian

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    late +15
     
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