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RinoSeat

Discussion in 'Sim Racing Hardware' started by renorino, Feb 14, 2008.

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    packaging unit weight: 12 kg
    packaging unit size: 84 x 48 x 17 cm

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    driver height 190cm
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    video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UDjdhOSILXc
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    driver height 181cm
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    big review: http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showpost.php?p=3695615&postcount=57

    video:
    hard test - drifting in LFS
    &review: http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showpost.php?p=3647082&postcount=33

    video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xN5QLNdUwuo driver height 197cm
    video:
    driver & little codriver

    pictures: http://picasaweb.google.ro/Gaas35/RinoSeatPrezentacijaTest
    pictures: http://picasaweb.google.ro/rinoreno/RinoseatRevolution

    assembly from Sweden: http://teamxfr.org/temp/
    review from Sweden: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=684459#post684459

    videos: http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=shoock123&p=v

    video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=AbfLCZ4QrS8 heel and toe technique
    &my opinion about posibility of driving with heel and toe technique with Rinoseat + G25:
    http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showpost.php?p=3664249&postcount=5

    some reviews:
    http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showpost.php?p=3661616&postcount=41
    http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=684459#post684459
    http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=38375

    my answer:
    http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=683080#post683080

    big thread (GENERAL PROMOTION):
    http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=304293

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    ...And it does one damn good effect - it transfers the FF efects right onto your body! Not all effects can be felt - going over the curbs is like-never-before, also hitting the wall - but thats not what we want...
    ...I also really liked the fact that you can feel the FF effects almost trough all your body. This brings in a new dimension in simracing, you can feel every bump, curb or reving the engine...
    ...I felt force feedback in my seat! Like i was driving a real car! I am g25 owner for a long time, and it is attached to my desk where it has no chance of moving.. that's why rinoseat felt great, because that pipe reacts slightly on strong pulling and strong effects... I must admit that it turns out to be biggest reason I liked it. That pipe and way rinoseat was designed is breakthrough in world of simeracing. Don't let something fool you around if you hadn't tried it! Feeling that I felt is hard to describe, it is really special. Don't think that you can brake or deform that pipe. I haven't seen a situation in which it could happen. I even tried my self to deform ti- result was moving whole seat with man sitting on it...

    Yes, you can feel FF effect in your body. How is it possible?

    The concept of stability is completely different from any other product. This is revolution in game chairs. Rinoseat stands on the floor in four points. There are two points on the back side (they carry 60% of gamer's weight), third one in the middle section (which carries 0%-40% of the user's weight) and the fourth point under the pedal (that one carries 40%-0% of user's weight).With weight distributed like this, pedal plates are loaded with max. 40% of user's weight and they safely stand on the floor. With asymmetric pressure on pedals (acceleration - brake), pedal plate mount is safely fixed to the floor. Middle section can change pressure to floor depending of user weight. Such construction, result that the middle section can vibrate a little. Vibration are produced by FF wheel, and are transfered through tube on your seat's base steel construction.

    This is completly new dimension of pleasure in raceseat.

    Additional option: Higher Shifter
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    Rinoseat is totally different from any other raceseats, because we have been developing raceseat to improve driving experience and to improve the feeling of driving. For improving driving experience, we have many factors. Some of that are: foot pedal angle, seat base length, seat base angle, position of your crank, lumbar support, commodity, angle of your back... "Real" race seat is not good option for sim racer. Maybe for realistic look, or feeling of "siting", but for long long driving it is not a good solution. When we started Rinoseat project (2.5 years ago), we decided that we would make something completely different, something revolutionary. We do not want to copy other similar products. We have analized the market and we made construction and design priorities and developed Rinoseat through series of rigorous tests.


    Richard Burns rally driven with Logitech G25 mounted on RinoSeat
    video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1943396906755598644&hl=en

    Richard Burns Rally tarmac stage Cote D'Arbroz driven with G25 mounted on RinoSeat. Car is Mitsubishi Lancer WRC.
    video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=253663459746044674


    Renato Markovic, dipl.ing.
    owner & constructor
    Rino Industries Ltd.
    Zagreb CROATIA
    reno@rino.hr
    www.rinoseats.com

    RINOSEAT REVOLUTION
    THE KING OF SPEED & PLEASURE
     
  2. nice product but sorry......that (in my eyes it looks like) in no way in hell will support my weight :)
     
  3. Please, look at this:

    driver 200cm/110kg !!!!!
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    video:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=xN5QLNdUwuo
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=VeVr5msK-Fo

    Are you bigger or heavier of him?

    Please, look at this:

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    This is the last position of seat back.

    Can you imagine, how Rinoseat must be stabile and strong, when it can keep the driver safely sitting in this position (position of F1 driver).


    CONSTRUCTION:
    Connection between the wheel tube and the wheel table - WIG WELDING
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    It consists:
    steel triangle 3mm
    hydraulic tube 20mm/2mm

    Connection between the wheel tube and the seat base - WIG WELDING
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    It consists:
    steel 4mm (part with two holes)
    steel 6mm (part with thread)
    steel 3mm (left and right side)

    Connection between the seat base and the seat back - WIG WELDING
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    It consists:
    steel 5mm

    We used CAD/CAE software for designing such form of steel, and it was one of biggest problems in construction. Seat back is very heigh (80cm), and because of the long arm he produces strong force.

    You can't see that on pictures, but in structure of all Rinoseat are many steel reinforces.

    Rinoseat looks minimalistic (and it is light, only 10kg and low cost too), but such type of design was enormous problem for construction.

    Rinoseat is very very strong!


    Renato M.
    reno@rino.hr
     
  4. Great seat!!
    Wont be under my G25 cuz i use my pc also for FPS games.
    Removing the seat would be a hard job everytime i want to do something else.
    But it looks pretty nice:cool:
     
  5. review: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=684459#post684459
    ...But like myself and sure many other simracers i have to remove the seat while not racing and move it back to infront of my monitor when im into some good racing...

    review: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=697275#post697275
    ...easy to move/keep stored on small area AND is very comfortable when driving...When I'm not racing I just lift the Rino Seat out of the way and put in my old chair in front of the computer...

    review: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=691470#post691470
    ...Rinoseats purpose was to be easy to set up for a race and then take it away when not needed anymore...


    picture: http://teamxfr.org/temp/chair.jpg


    Mobility and light weight of Rinoseat is big advantage!

    Renato M.
    reno@rino.hr

    Renato M.
     
  6. lol
     
  7. hehe nice seat :happy:
     
  8. LMAO


    but seriously :).......110 kilo test is still not enough for me :)........i'm still waaaayyy heavier than that.....& knowing how i handle my chairs....that thing will break under me

    i'm almost at the beginning of desk chair nr 4 in 5 years LOL :)
     
  9. Thats some Force eatback you use m8 :laughing:
     
  10. Richard Burns rally agressive driven with Logitech G25 mounted on RinoSeat

    video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3082724423152047005

    Unique construction of Rinoseat enables sim drivers to feel more of FFB and in that way enjoy more in virtual reality. Flexibility (there is no wobbliness, loose or shaky connection beetwen any part) of steering wheel support tube helps FFB forces to vibrate and travel through seat and body. That could be compared to "resonating forke" effect well known from physics.

    ...This seat is not totally stiff construction. It have an very small amount of flexibility almost as vibrations. To me this really bring something extra to the driving! The driving have become more alive. I can actually feel what the car is up to, an extra feed back. You become one with the car. I might add I always drive in cockpit view. I never get a feeling of weakness in the construction, it is very stable!...
    review: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=697275#post697275

    Renato M.
    reno@rino.hr
     
  11. Hmm im starting to doubt now ......should i or not :mellow:
     
  12. Kevin Ascher

    Kevin Ascher
    #47 Roaring Pipes Maniacs

    How much is it again??? I can't find it :tongue:
     
  13. If you have any doubt, you can ask Michiel from Netherland who already has Rinoseat (chiel@mis.tweakdsl.nl).

    We also have in Germany a few customers.

    Rinoseat Revolution ... 169€
    Rinoseat Revolution - G25 Edition ... 199€ (included lower shifter + predriled holes and complete screws for wheel, shifter and pedal)
    Transport Cost ... 50€

    Discount for RS G25 Edition ... higher shifter or -15€ (you can select)

    We have two type of shifters (lower H and higher 15cm sequential).
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    Thanks,
    Renato M.
    reno@rino.hr
     
  14. Kevin Ascher

    Kevin Ascher
    #47 Roaring Pipes Maniacs

    i will think about it but actually i havent the money at the moment... maybe in a few months...
     
  15. Bram

    Bram
    Roaring Pipes Maniacs | #27 Staff Premium Member

    Must say i like the position of the wheel when you are in the seat. Looks like it is in good proportions!
     
  16. I studied simrace seats for almost 3 years.

    Good simrace seat must have the following options:

    1. long seat base (you unload your legs)
    2. long side suport seat base (we discovered that you must have support when you push your pedals with heel and toe and that you rotate your foot)
    3. proper angle of seat base (you get the feeling, that your legs are levitating)
    4. small thickness of sponge under your knees (what we discovered from praxis was that your brain must feel one fixed position on your legs, one point of your legs must be fixed so that you could push pedals)
    5. posibility (an option) that you can extend your legs without moving up your knees (even in case that you are 200cm height)
    6. properly set height diference (distance) betwen your seat base and pedal plate
    7. posibility that you can change angle of your pedal (correct angle is VERY IMPORTANT for your foot)
    8. strong support for your pedal plate without flexing it (when you push your pedals, you produce really big force)
    9. free space between your legs under knees
    10. properly set height and distance of wheel

    You can see all of this on this pictures of Rinoseat:
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    There you can see one bad example of position of sitting (bad seat construction):
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    REVIEW OF RINOSEAT
    ...Excellent comfort, I'm so pleased to actually feel the legs after a 2,5 hour stint. The lower body position,or the more laying style of driving with the legs more strait forward made the trick. I could easily do longer stints, the comfortableness was never a question. It felt very practical to reach the buttons at the shifter. After the stints I could feel I was a little sweaty at my back and thighs.
    The whole body get very good support from the seat, back, shoulder, neck, and head. Sitting this low I got my eyes a little below the middle of the monitor, to me it
    felt very good. I don't desire any extra table for the monitor...
    http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=38375

    Thanks,
    Renato M.
    reno@rino.hr
     
  17. Please, read this review: http://www.simjunkies.org/Forum/index.php?topic=7887.0 from England.

    ...The first thing I noticed on firing up GT Legends was the way in which the force-feedback generated by the wheel is transferred through the seat; this is a brilliant innovation, and again, we should commend the designer for his original approach to building a race seat...

    ...I am around 6’1” tall (1.85m), and weigh in at a well managed 16st 12lbs (236lbs – 107kg). I have to say that, at a glance, the tubing used in construction of the Rinoseat looked mighty flimsy when confronted by my considerable girth, and despite Ted’s assurance that the tubing would easily cope with my bulk, it was with considerable trepidation that I lowered myself gingerly in to the Rinoseat for the first time. I shouldn’t have worried; the seat felt solid and secure, and within seconds, my fears had evaporated, to be replaced by a confidence that the seat was going to be able to handle anything I threw at it...

    ...Now, I remind you that, in my introduction, I alluded to the fact that I am something of a “mauler” behind the wheel, and the single tube which supports the wheel does have a tendency to flex when subjected to my abusive driving style. I cannot say how this will affect the components long-term, but I would not be overly concerned. The flexing is hardly noticeable, and does not suggest that, a few months down the line, the Rinoseat will be falling apart. If anything, I believe that the flexing will in fact prolong the life of the G25, as it transfers some of the considerable forces applied through my wheel, and dissipates these through the tube. The pedals, wheel and shifter have remained firmly fixed through out the test, and I have no reason to suspect that the Rinoseat will require constant maintenance to keep it tip-top...

    ...The utilisation of the wheel’s force-feedback to give a “rumble-seat” effect is a great innovation, and I am certain that other manufacturers will be looking closely at ways of employing this approach in their own cockpits...

    Renato M.
     
  18. Bram

    Bram
    Roaring Pipes Maniacs | #27 Staff Premium Member

    If you sent me one of that simulators ill write a review too !
     
  19. Me too :)