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Race #8, Great Britain: Post-Race Checks

Discussion in 'Formula SimRacing' started by Kris Cobb, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. Kris Cobb

    Kris Cobb
    Avid Chronic Racing | Team Principal

    Post-Race Checks
    Check your Safety Rating here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...vMsUlnXkgVQnJN-9DUX1R_f4g/edit#gid=1256175651


    Aleksi Kivela (4.90)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Blair Disley (5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Carlos Martin (5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Daniel Brewer (5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Daniel Kiss (4.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Danny van der Niet (3.00)
    Q1: CUT
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs:
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: -2.00 SR for Incident #3. Back of Grid for Round 9.


    David Greco (5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Dian Kostadinov (5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Eros Masciulli (2.75)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: -0.75 SR for Incident #4.


    Fabrizio Gobbi (3.50)
    Q1: CUT
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Back of Grid for Round 9.


    Francesco Bigazzi (5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Giordano Valeriano (4.50)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs:
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Jereon Kweekel (3.50)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs:
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Jernej Simoncic (4.50)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: -0.50 SR for Incident #3.


    Jim Parisis (5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    John-Eric Saxen (4.50)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Kuba Brzezinski (5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Mike Partington (4.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Muhammed Patel (5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Petar Brljak (5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs: Good
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:


    Thomas Satherley (2.50)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Logs:
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:
     
  2. Kris Cobb

    Kris Cobb
    Avid Chronic Racing | Team Principal

    Incidents

    Penalty System is found here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yb8NOvMaHVsWcK2TxshHpAUp25KW1tTzml9hCDw5tg0/edit#gid=0

    Incident #1
    Driver(s) Involved: Blair Disley, Daniel Kiss
    Lap/Replay Time: L1 T4
    Description: Disley causes contact with Kiss going into the corner.
    Verdict: Massive lag at the start. No further action.


    Incident #2
    Driver(s) Involved: Blair Disley, Francesco Bigazzi
    Lap/Replay Time: L1 T4
    Description: Disley causes contact with Bigazzi exiting the corner.
    Verdict: Massive lag at the start. No further action.


    Incident #3
    Driver(s) Involved: Jernej Simoncic, Danny van der Niet
    Lap/Replay Time: L1 1:35
    Description: van der Niet pushes Simoncic off the track cause him to DNF.
    Verdict: van der Niet does indeed push Simoncic off track trying to avoid an incident in front. Simoncic and van der Niet come back onto the track in an unsafe manner. -2.00 SR for van der Niet (DNF, first 5 laps) and -0.50 SR for Simoncic (first 5 laps, did not cause DNF).


    Incident #4
    Driver(s) Involved: Thomas Satherley, Eros Masciulli
    Lap/Replay Time: L38 1:26
    Description: Masciulli did not give room for Satherley who was beside him in the corner.
    Verdict: Masciulli does cause contact with Satherley, losing 2 positions and ~5 seconds. -0.75 SR for Masciulli (No repairs, 5s time loss, -0.5-5*0.05=-0.75)
     
  3. Jernej is off the track so normally Danny has the rights to act and to positionate wherever he wants, Jernej must conform with him. Pure example is the penalty for Mike in Hockenheim, here the difference is that Jernej didn't lose control.

    Edit: Also Danny can't know because of Deadzone Jernej is there, 2.00 looks so harsh.
     
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2015
  4. Kris Cobb

    Kris Cobb
    Avid Chronic Racing | Team Principal

    Danny also went off track when he came back on cut of Valeriano which caused him to lose control and cause contact with Jernej
     
  5. Could you please tell me, what did I do wrong, and what should I have had done? I rejoined really slowly and the only thing I saw was enough space for my car on the edge of the track. Lifting the throttle was not an option as there was a good chance of causing more mayhem going slower at the middle of a straight, continuing on grass would be unsafe and would probably make me spin causing a crash.

    Dian, according to the rules I had part of my car on track when Danny hit me, so he hadn't had the right to positionate wherever he wanted. Deadzone isn't an excuse, also he saw he pushed me off and then I hadn't yet appeared in his mirrors behind him. In replay he even seems to be trying to give me room asap so I can rejoin, but unfortunately Valeriano is there.

    No really I don't honestly see any other option than doing what I did, I'm really confused about my penalty.
    I watched it 10 times, also I watched replay in every possible angle and I have no idea at all what should I have done different.y
     
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  6. Kris Cobb

    Kris Cobb
    Avid Chronic Racing | Team Principal

    So which is it?

    You were going as quick as people on the track. To me it was not a safe return to the track.
     
  7. 1 tyre on the track according to the rules means that you're off the track. What I wanted to say (didn't say you were 100% gulty there) Danny didn't deserve that penalty, because he pushed you off the track to avoid a collision, didn't do it intentionally. If I was Race director I would judge this as a racing incident, because it is a first lap and not always you have to search to blame someone.
     
  8. I had 2 tires on track (see image)
    Kris, I couldn't have done anything else. I say "lifting wasn't an option" because at that moment I had known that 5+ cars are behind me, and if I lifted, I would come right into their ways, which would be unsafe. The only logical thing to stay safe is to keep the same speed or acceleration as the cars around.
     

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  9. From my point of view this stated when Kivela decided to lift off the throttle after T5 causing me to go into the back of him without enough time to react. Valeriano behind had time to react and to slow appropriately but then Danny had to avoid him and so did Jernej which resulted them both going off track.

    The then slow Valeriano didnt leave enough room for Danny to return to track, but then im not sure he had to as Danny went off with all 4 tyres. He got clipped and smacked Jernej.

    Jernej did nothing wrong and had Danny and Valeriano not touched then neither would have Danny and Jernej. Harsh on both of them imo as alot was going on around them.

    To be honest im not sure why I didnt protest Kivela as imo that is a crazy thing to do with cars right behind you at what is a full throttle corner. It cost me a damaged front wing and flat spots on my tyres and alot of time.
     
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  10. Kris Cobb

    Kris Cobb
    Avid Chronic Racing | Team Principal

    Jernej off track at that section you had more than enough pavement to slow down enough. IMO there was too much going on to jump on track.

    You are also arguing about half an SR point. If you feel so strongly that you need this removed you need to protest it.
     
  11. Really sorry for Thomas, I didn't expect him attaccking in that point. I should left room :/
     
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  12. 1.jpg

    Kris, you think that at this moment I should have hit the brake pedal? You have to understand that at this point I knew that cars are behind me, that someone was spinning and I saw in mirrors that some cars are off the track.
    So if I brake, I have good chance of being crashed into. Guys behind me expect that I will go on without unexpected moves and in such moments it's very important keep the same acceleration and to move as little left right as possible.

    You say I "jumped" on track, but I didn't, I rejoined in the safest possible manner. Again, when so much is going on, one should never even think of slowing down - especially not during a hard acceleration zone.

    I don't have any problem with -0.50 SR, I have problems because I get penalized for being safe and because the one, who gives penalties, says I should do something way more dangerous than I did. Yeah, my move wasn't as safe as flower watering, but it was by far the safest option.

    Edit: don't get me wrong, nothing personal intended Kris, thanks a lot for all the effort and time that you spend to make the post race checks and everything else, really appreciated.
     
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  13. Well. Guys on track always have the right of way. always. Nothing more to say ^^
     
  14. What's wrong on this picture?
     
  15. I'm not in it. :D
     
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