Well it was finally announced today that Porsche will not be in the new game. Apparently the doucebags at EA have exclusive rights for the Porsche brand. They game to an "agreement" for Forza 3, but apparently no agreement could be made for the fourth edition. They will have Ruf branded cars but that means that we will not have any Porsche racing cars, so no 962/956 cars or even 917s. Wow EA is really going bad here, you can't play a used game online without paying an extra 10 bucks and now they are restricting car brands for games? The console video game market is becoming very ugly.