Image Space Incorporated Exclusive Interview

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In the latest addition to our series of interviews with the big hitters from the world of sim racing, RaceDepartment recently sat down with developers of the world renowned rFactor and rFactor 2 racing simulators to discuss the future of the rFactor 2, new content and what highly sought after enhancements fans can expect in future.


Founded in 1992, Image Space Incorporated (ISI) is a well respected software developer specializing in the fields of computer game development, “man-in-the-loop” simulator architectures, computer image generation, and entertainment systems integration.

ISI has a well established, and highly skilled development team, with both artists and programmers dedicated to the design and development of cost-effective, high quality software and computer products.

With experience in the latest hardware and software systems, ISI offers rapid time-to-market and real-time performance for a variety of gaming and simulation applications. A creative flair, robust technology, and in-depth knowledge of the gaming industry gives ISI the technical and creative edge required in today’s highly competitive market.

As rFactor 2 continues to go from strength to strength in recent months RaceDepartment thought this to be the ideal time to sit down with the team and discus their premium simulator, rFactor 2.

RD: Hello, many thanks for the opportunity to have a chat with you today. It’s a great pleasure for me to talk today about one of my personal favourite race simulations on the market, rFactor 2. As I usually do I would like to open up this little Q&A by asking you to introduce yourself and tell us a little about what you do over at ISI?

TW: I’m Tim Wheatley and my primary role at ISI is the commercial licensing of our products. This is for companies who want to promote their brand at a trade show, or new companies setting up sim centers where they charge for access to their hardware.

RD: Thank you. So it’s now customary in these Q&A’s to start off with some light questions about those behind the scenes and get to know a bit about who is involved in creating the sims we love. First things first, what car do you drive on a day to day basis at home and why?

TW: Toyota RAV4, because it was cheap and fits my wife, kids and dogs. Maybe one day I’ll just answer “because I wanted it” – but not today!

RD: A controversial one here - who’s the quickest virtual driver at ISI?

TW: Right now I’d say Christopher Elliott, but we’re going to say that’s because he gets the most track time...

RD: Back to the world of pixels, what would you consider your favourite racing / road car is to drive outside of rFactor / rFactor 2?

TW: I don’t have a lot of time to run sims (even our own), but I like low downforce historics, so I’ve had rare fun with the 1960’s cars in other sims. There is a fair bit of nostalgia for me in firing up a Lotus 49 in iRacing, but I prefer period tracks when I can get them, and it’s nice to see some sims doing a great job with those.

RD: When not sampling the world of the virtual racing car do you play any other type of game? What’s on your computer at the moment that you tend to gravitate towards in any free time you might have ?

TW: I’ve always enjoyed space games alongside racing sims, I’m using Elite: Dangerous whenever I need to escape real life for a bit! I don’t have a lot of time to play anything else.

RD: ISI have a stellar reputation in the sim racing (and real world racing) industry with titles like rFactor, rFactor 2 and rFactor PRO in recent years but still run a relatively tight ship over in the good old US of A, how many people do you have working on rFactor 2 at ISI currently?

TW: Most projects work under external contractors hired to do specific content, but the core team of full-time software engineers (who aren’t building cars or tracks) is four. We have two full-time car guys, two full-time track guys, plus contractors working with them. We’re a pretty compact organization.

RD: Obviously you provide simulation software for a number of racing teams simulators in the real world, what sort of feedback do you receive from the professional drivers when they sample the consumer version of the game and how do they compare it to their real life race cars?

TW: Most of what they will try in the retail version has been built by a third party, often without access to the car or data. Good third-party content and first-party items get good feedback.

RD: Along a similar line, does real life driver feedback get incorporated into the sim, and if so how useful has that been in developing the physics and feel of the game?

TW: Driver feedback is really only used on a final pass for any content we produce in-house. Our physics engine allows us to input real values and get real results from that, so provided our data is good, the cars should always feel pretty accurate before anyone drives it.

RD: What do you consider to be your greatest / most proud achievement so far in the life rFactor 1 and rFactor 2 and why?

TW: We broke new ground on a lot of features that once implemented by other engines and studios will move sim racing forward as a whole; RealRoad rubber build-up being probably the most useful for the genre.

Plus, even though we are an extremely small team, we are proud to continue to support our products and the community around them for many years. Too many products seem to be abandoned if they do not achieve a huge critical following, and that’s not our philosophy.

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RD: The (fairly) recent inclusion of a triple screen tool in game has been a dramatic improvement to the immersion level for 3 screen users of the title, do you plan to create a more ‘user friendly’ version of this imbedded in the main game UI?

TW: If and/or when we have time. The implementation and function is obviously more important to us.

RD: Talking of the visual side of things, many people were disappointed to see the Consumer Unit Oculus Rift not supporting DX9 games (such as rF & rF2). Is this a concern to you as VR seems to possibly be the future for sim racing, and more to the point do you anticipate rF2 moving away from DX9 going forwards? Additionally I hear rumours of dropping Windows 8 support, does that mean DX 12?

TW: I think Microsoft have already dropped Windows 8 support (last month, I believe), as they’re trying to push everyone to Windows 10. The VR APIs have frankly been way too fluid for us to seriously look at, and I doubt we’ll look again at native support until after devices are in the hands of the public for a few months. Their changes in specification have obviously left things behind that we rely upon at this time.

RD: Sorry, I've got to push you on this one... could you share with us some indication of timeframe when users could realistically expect to see the move from DX9?

TW: Not able to give a timeline, or even a confirmation we’ll see that in rFactor 2 – and obviously this affects the VR answer previously. It also could be argued that modders now have a stable platform to create for, it might not be beneficial to mess with them.

RD: Still with Virtual Reality, now that users can fully view and engage with their surroundings using VR headsets, will more details and higher resolution gauges and cockpits for ISI content vehicles make an appearance in future builds do you think?

TW: We update older cars as best we can, but aren’t going to devote much time to extremely old content for minimal returns. Most newer cars shouldn’t need much of an update in this area.

RD: rFactor 2 is the platform of choice for many major leagues around the globe, specifically using the endurance features within the game and making the most of real weather / day to night transition functionality. With regards to how weather is implemented in game, does the team at ISI have plans to implement things such as rain drops on windshields (physics based rendering) / aquaplaning / puddle formation etc?

TW: We’re actually looking at this again now. We haven’t decided on what features will get dropped or pushed, and which should be implemented in short order.

RD: On a similar topic, in dry conditions can we expect to see some kind of dirt/marble pick up on tires?

TW: We’re unlikely to implement that in rFactor 2, you’ll just have to deal with the existing drop in grip on those surfaces.

RD: Keeping to the theme of endurance racing and features for a moment if I may, have the team considered the possibility to limit the set of tires available for a race weekend (endurance this is a big thing as well as F1 and many other series) and the possibility of saving part worn tyres in the garage for use in further sessions / later race stints?

TW: No, but I think we now output the tire data in the replay and plugins to allow leagues to easily track tire usage. While we can now store tire data (resume from replay does), we don’t foresee allowing them to be saved and reused within existing sessions.

RD: Again another endurance type question (although relevant, sadly, for Formula One too) – Hybrid/KERS/Brake Recovery simulation in game. Yes this is a murky and challenging area to simulate I would imagine but could add a lot to the immersion aspect of several major racing series. Does ISI plan to have this in game in future builds and if so how far along the path of develop are you at present?

TW: We’re in talks for a 2016 GP car as I speak, so we need to look at this at some point, probably when we build an updated FISI and/or GP car.

RD: Staying with the theme of cars and car features, could we maybe expect to see the ability to adjust onboard TC steps as onboard engine mapping or onboard differential Settings in future builds? The current TC settings are more a driver aid than in car setting and can sometimes feel a bit obtrusive when driving at the limit.

TW: Probably not. It’ll most likely continue to work as it does now.

RD: Moving away from this topic now for a little while and getting on to in game content for a bit, ISI have released a number of US centric Oval content of late, how big of a change in thinking was that to get it into the sim and working correctly with all the nuances involved in oval racing physics and rulesets?

TW: We’re still working on the rules, they’re incredibly complex from a design standpoint. The sheer number of variables for what appears a simple rule is just mind blowing.

RD: Are you happy with how it’s gone, the fan reaction seems very positive so far and the steady stream of 3PA oval / roval tracks has been very impressive

TW: Would like to see more of the rF1 stock car leagues moving over sometime soon. If leagues want to work with us to arrange bulk purchase deals, they should contact us.

RD: Speaking of tracks, its been a long while since the last “major” official track release, can you share with us some highlights of what tracks fans might expect to see in the coming year?

TW: Our track team spend their time helping the 3PA guys and working on their own projects. I think ISITrackTeam on Twitter does a petty good job of teasing upcoming content, whether that is their “rising sun” updates, or Toban (which is probably next).

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RD: Same question , this time related to upcoming car content. We heard many months ago about a proposed Super GT car and more recently the Daytona Prototype, how are things progressing with these?

TW: As always with cars it seems, we’re waiting on data. Teams have two seasons: Winter vacation and racing season. We have quite a few cars at a similar state, so once data starts to come in we’ll have a good batch of releases (including those you mention).

RD: Does the team have any inclination to include further historic content, possibly a playmate to the sublime BT20 Grand Prix car in future?

TW: We have some licensed, but they’ve simply never made it to the top of the stack yet. As a historics fan, this pains me greatly! We’d welcome inquiries from mod groups interested in working on licensed content.

RD: Of course many old historic cars use the classic h pattern gearbox and heal and toe technique, how does the team intend to penalise those who use paddle shift and no clutch to prevent laptime advantage against drivers using an h pattern configuration?

TW: We still have plans to release an updated drivetrain model.

RD: The Third Party Affiliate Scheme (3PA) seems like it’s been a huge success for ISI since its inception, how does this work? Do you approach people or do they have to apply to ISI with a finished product?

TW: Either way. Usually we have a track model we are offered by a studio using our engine, we then find someone to work on bringing that track up to spec. In a few cases people have come to us with near completed content of varying quality and we’ve helped them to complete it.

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RD: Will ISI be looking into the possibility for enhanced rF2 support to run more than 40 cars on the grid during an online event? Of course that has been seen already but in practice it has shown that running more than 40 cars online regularly leads to issues such as stuttering/connection loss and other critical issues?

TW: Nothing stopping you from running more than 40 cars. If you have issues I’d look into how plugins being used cope with the data, or how the server load is.

RD: Also on the topic of multiplayer / player to player interaction could we have a little insight into the developer’s thoughts about a robust player ranking system similar to the system we see in titles like iRacing?

TW: You won’t see a feature like that from us, but we obviously would and have supported any organization wishing to develop their own version. Our plugin system can be used for many features like this that instead of charging a subscription for, we want to see people able to do for themselves – if they want.

I think you’ll see a public launch of a few sites over the next few months.

RD: Regarding match maker, is this side of the sim due for further support and polish and could be expect more features in the theme of things like Chat, Iobby, filters, and a working matchmaker Iist where you can see how many people are online including Steam and non Steam clients?

TW: Yes, we’ve been looking at this lately (within the past two weeks).

RD: The damage model in rF2 is more restrained than some other titles at present, would it be possible, and is it considered on the teams to do list, to add features around suspension damage i.e when riding curbs / going off road in a violent way cause noticeable damage to your cars suspension and do plans exist to create a more sophisticated damage model in general?

TW: It might be something we look at in the future, but not sure what will/won’t be seen in rFactor 2.

RD: rFactor 2 has been in development for a number of years now and continues to be improved and developed with each new build released by the team. Do you at ISI have a development timeframe for this title, basically how much longer do you expect to support rFactor 2 before retiring development and looking to move onto rFactor 3 and/or other projects?

TW: Internal planning and discussion on another title (not rF3) has taken place, but rF2 is still our focus product at this time.

RD: If money and other blockers were no issue, which Marques would you ideally like to see licensed in the sim?

TW: All those tracks who are used to being paid by Sony and Microsoft for console titles, unable to comprehend what a niche sim racing title even is, and why their budgets differ. Though I’d focus more on racing cars than road cars, the same applies.

RD: Rumour has it that the exclusive Porsche licence comes up for renewal soon, any chance of seeing some of the German sports and racing cars in future for rF2?

TW: Not if they sit themselves behind an agency who’re more interested in their fees than promoting the brand they’re licensing.

RD: Almost finished now… so do you guys want to tell us anything else that we haven’t already covered so far in this interview? This is a chance to speak directly to our many thousands of readers here at RaceDepartment.com who follow with interest the development of rFactor.

TW: I guess the biggest recent event is Steam, and we are pretty happy with how well the transition to Steam has gone. We encourage people to look into the Workshop as we continue to find new ways to make it a bigger part of rF2!

RD: Now comes that time where I ask you to think up an imaginative way to say no without hurting my feelings….. An unapologetic attempt to secure a RaceDepartment exclusive piece of news! Anything you want to share with our many readers that aren’t already widely known in the sim community?

TW: We are looking into possibility of paid mods as part of rF2. I’ve mentioned this a few times but it’s getting serious now. There’s no reason someone shouldn’t be able to give the community what it wants when developers aren’t able to.



Big thanks go out to Tim at Image Space Incorporated for kindly taking time out of a busy schedule and answering our questions here today. Visit the rFactor 2 section of RaceDepartment for all the latest news regarding this sim.

rFactor 2 is available to buy now on the Steam platform or as a standalone edition direct from the ISI website.

Enjoyed our interview? What do you think of rFactor 2? How does the game perform in your opinion? Let us know in the comments section below!
 
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And at the end of the day this is what ISI is always dealing with. No matter what they release, tons of people come out to say it isn't what THEY wanted... despite plenty of people previously asking for exactly the item being released.
This isn't some unjust curse that affects ISI exclusively. All sim developers face this problem. The only eldifference that in case of rf2 you usually get just a couple cars every year, so hearing that your particular car was pushed back, delayed or scraped is doubly disappointing.
 
And at the end of the day this is what ISI is always dealing with. No matter what they release, tons of people come out to say it isn't what THEY wanted... despite plenty of people previously asking for exactly the item being released.

I didn't say anything derogatory towards ISI or their content or complain how it didn't jive with my personal preferences. I love Suzuka, I've just driven so many laps around it that I personally don't get too excited about it. That doesn't mean I don't think it should be included or that I'm complaining about its inclusion.

I personally really dislike modern F1 cars, but I didn't complain about its inclusion, I just gave Paul an example of why some of us may not be giddy with excitement about it because he specifically asked. I'm sure some people are excited for it, and that's great for them, I have no problem with that. I just won't ever be excited about it regardless of what sim it's in, but that doesn't mean I think ISI should release content based on my preferences.
 
I find a lot of you pretty rough on what is eventually a niche market.
Reiza supposedly released rfactor1 for the 8th times, AC caters for the crowd and has no simulation value, rfactor2 is just DX whatever and doesn't provide any content.
Do you people enjoy sims or the idea of sims? seems to me if we were to get all the testosterone from the big mouths we would probably get something amazing.....will we ever see it? or does you day to day job prevents you from producing anything and you 'd rather complain an get your monthly check? need to feed a wife and kid?
 
A game can be very good and active even with low absolute numbers. After all we are playing ultra niche games here.

If you really want to be correct you should've made an overview based on numbers you can actually compare. How many game owners are there vs actual active players at a given time. You are showing an image with absolute numbers instead.
  1. Project Cars: 1774 playing
  2. AC: 1596 playing
  3. RaceRoom: 472 playing
  4. Automobilista: 199 playing
  5. rFactor 2: 136 playing
The actual relative activity level shows a whole different list all of a sudden :)
  1. Automobilista: 199 playing / 17,522 owners = 1,13% activity
  2. rFactor 2: 136 playing / 13,433 owners = 1,01% activity
  3. AC: 1596 playing / 288,381 owners = 0.55% activity
  4. Project Cars: 1774 playing / 365,478 owners = 0.48% activity
  5. RaceRoom*: 472 playing / 2,443,720 owners = 0.02% activity
* = free to play, hence the high numbers of owners

That's getting pretty creative with the numbers. You can't expect a game that is 100 times more popular to have same percentage of active users as some less popular niche game which is subscription based. If you put forza or gran turismo on that list they'll probably end below raceroom. Does that mean anything? No.

You could put solitaire on that list and claim rf2 is more popular than it because only 0.01% people who own solitaire play it compared to the 1% of rf2 owners...

Absolute numbers is what matters. I want to play with thousands of people instead of 1.05% percentage of a community.

Here is another list I just made up:

People not playing a game they own:

RaceRoom*: 2443248 not playing / 2,443,720 owners = 99.99% inactivity
Project Cars: 363704 not playing / 365,478 owners = 99.5% inactivity
AC: 286785 not playing / 288,381 owners = 99.4% inactivity
Automobilista: 17323 not playing / 17,522 owners = 98.9% inactivity
rFactor 2: 13297 not playing / 13,433 owners = 99.0% inactivity


So the most not played game is raceroom and rf2 is the least not played game!

Meaningless statistics are just that. Meaningless. I mean you can create your own statistic by spinning numbers to get a result that looks what you want to see. Doesn't make it true though. Doesn't make the result worth anything.

I hope you weren't serious with your post. You results have more unknown factors and your findings fit inside your error margins so well that you could have just as well posted random noise from randomness generator.

Jessica can keep going to the gym, keep fit, healthy, happy, new clothes, new great friends, updated and nice hair-style and makeup, etc. but at a certain point - wether it's from touching her, looking at her, hearing her, or being in bed with her - you can still tell she's 50 years old. You can also tell that many aspects of her have barely changed from 25 years ago despite her efforts and claims to update and improve herself. You realise that, at a certain point, a different girl all-together, and of much younger age, is needed if you want "proper" change and improvement.

Some people like older women.
 
A game can be very good and active even with low absolute numbers. After all we are playing ultra niche games here.

If you really want to be correct you should've made an overview based on numbers you can actually compare. How many game owners are there vs actual active players at a given time. You are showing an image with absolute numbers instead.
  1. Project Cars: 1774 playing
  2. AC: 1596 playing
  3. RaceRoom: 472 playing
  4. Automobilista: 199 playing
  5. rFactor 2: 136 playing
The actual relative activity level shows a whole different list all of a sudden :)
  1. Automobilista: 199 playing / 17,522 owners = 1,13% activity
  2. rFactor 2: 136 playing / 13,433 owners = 1,01% activity
  3. AC: 1596 playing / 288,381 owners = 0.55% activity
  4. Project Cars: 1774 playing / 365,478 owners = 0.48% activity
  5. RaceRoom*: 472 playing / 2,443,720 owners = 0.02% activity
* = free to play, hence the high numbers of owners

This just goes to show that there really is a small group of us(hence why its the same 10-20 of us in every thread) that actually cares about this genre.

The devs need to figure out why 99%+ of their user base arent even booting the game up once a day. Which is funny becuase nobody here can tell me with a straight face the 5 titles listed above are 100% polished/working. Maybe raceroom works more or less as advertised, the rest are hit or miss.
 
The devs need to figure out why 99%+ of their user base arent even booting the game up once a day. Which is funny becuase nobody here can tell me with a straight face the 5 titles listed above are 100% polished/working.

True, but these titles may offer some content people are interested to actually drive and race with and therefore have others playing too.

What comes to Suzuka or modern F1, Suzuka is propably the Kansai from which you can already enjoy in Automobilista (can be wrong with this) and modern F1 is too fast to race with for 95% of drivers and I personally am not very interested to drive it either.

But it's just me. One tiny little person in the whole community.
 
Devs need to figure out why 99% of their userbase aren't even booting the game up once a day. Which is funny because nobody here can tell me with a straight face the five titles listed above are 100% polished or working.

Developers know the answer, as do sim racers. Problem is, speak your mind, and the community goes on a witch hunt because unfortunately a lot of sim racing forums are full of leftist man-children desperate to earn invisible brownie points rather than podium finishes.

But anyways, it's fueled by two elements:

The average racing sim? Unfinished. How many tire models have Assetto Corsa and iRacing received? How many post-release patches tried to fix Project CARS? Do you remember the exact date RaceRoom Racing Experience or rFactor 2 moved out of "Open Beta" status?

The average sim racer? Incompetent. For all the posts talking about expensive hardware and cockpit upgrades, there's maybe 50 sim racers on the entire planet who can drive worth a damn. The rest are like gear snobs in rec. league basketball - talking a big game, showing up with brand new Air Jordans, and being completely clueless on the court.

What developers did, is they took advantage of how the community operates.

Sim Racers deem complete titles like Forza, Gran Turismo, Grid, and to a lesser extent Dirt as inferior. Now with absolutely no threat of sim racers migrating to these other games and having fun with them, developers aren't really obligated to improve or even finish their products. And with the average sim racer traditionally not being a very good driver to begin with, a lot of these people are actually scared to hit the track.

So in the end you get a climate where the games aren't very good because developers aren't obligated to do much other than release them in varying states of completion with some sort of marketing campaign to lure people in, and nobody's playing them because driving in circles is difficult.
 
Id love to hear all about the "missing features" so many seem to talk about in this very painful to read thread,considering rf2 is the most feature rich sim out there, Id love to see these ppls opinions on the other sims complete lack of any real features outside of the "driving a car on a empty track feature".

Id understand some of the "frustration" at ISI if it RF2 was a half arse\finished product, its not, if isi left it tomorrow rf2 still stands as the most feature complete and technical advanced simulator available to consumers, and its shows with the amount of top grade leagues and drivers that choose this software.

the only real complaints in this thread that amounts to any kind of reality is poor performance some seem to get, despite running uber rigs, I can only say good luck to those ppl, and hope you get it going, and when you do be sure to run a HUGE grid as you cant in other titles,and of course the very boring and overused "da graphix sux", content complaints are just rubbish, the historic stuff alone could keep you going for months or even years if you wanted to master em, let alone everything else,honestly half the ppl commenting sound like they haven't even played this sim to any degree,or sound like they work for some cheesy pr\marketing company upset with the bottom line, not ppl interested in motorsport simulation.

ISI have done well and their tech continues to power the sims the top end of the sim racer pile choose to use, and I have no doubts the 2.5 motor will power much of the future sims, the competitions engines Kunos and Iracings, are still well behind, regardless of what API they slap over the top, some of these ppl need to show some "goddamn respect" to a Dev thats serviced sim racing for a long long time and continue to push real boundaries instead of arseing about with shaders,marketing and pumping out more gt3's and useless road cars that all feel the same.

This is interesting..
  1. Automobilista: 199 playing / 17,522 owners = 1,13% activity
  2. rFactor 2: 136 playing / 13,433 owners = 1,01% activity
  3. AC: 1596 playing / 288,381 owners = 0.55% activity
  4. Project Cars: 1774 playing / 365,478 owners = 0.48% activity
  5. RaceRoom*: 472 playing / 2,443,720 owners = 0.02% activity
 
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Id love to hear all about the "missing features" so many seem to talk about in this very painful to read thread,considering rf2 is the most feature rich sim out there, Id love to see these ppls opinions on the other sims complete lack of any real features outside of the "driving a car on a empty track feature".

Id understand some of the "frustration" at ISI if it RF2 was a half arse\finished product, its not, if isi left it tomorrow rf2 still stands as the most feature complete and technical advanced simulator available to consumers, and its shows with the amount of top grade leagues and drivers that choose this software.

the only real complaints in this thread that amounts to any kind of reality is poor performance some seem to get, despite running uber rigs, I can only say good luck to those ppl, and hope you get it going, and when you do be sure to run a HUGE grid as you cant in other titles,and of course the very boring and overused "da graphix sux", content complaints are just rubbish, the historic stuff alone could keep you going for months or even years if you wanted to master em, let alone everything else,honestly half the ppl commenting sound like they haven't even played this sim to any degree,or sound like they work for some cheesy pr\marketing company upset with the bottom line, not ppl interested in motorsport simulation.

ISI have done well and their tech continues to power the sims the top end of the sim racer pile choose to use, and I have no doubts the 2.5 motor will power much of the future sims, the competitions engines Kunos and Iracings, are still well behind, regardless of what API they slap over the top, some of these ppl need to show some "goddamn respect" to a Dev thats serviced sim racing for a long long time and continue to push real boundaries instead of arseing about with shaders,marketing and pumping out more gt3's and useless road cars that all feel the same.

This is interesting..
  1. Automobilista: 199 playing / 17,522 owners = 1,13% activity
  2. rFactor 2: 136 playing / 13,433 owners = 1,01% activity
  3. AC: 1596 playing / 288,381 owners = 0.55% activity
  4. Project Cars: 1774 playing / 365,478 owners = 0.48% activity
  5. RaceRoom*: 472 playing / 2,443,720 owners = 0.02% activity
We can start with this one. rF2 has lot of historic cars and we have been asking for a realistic clutch/tranny/engine for 5 years now, and nothing has been done to fix this issue. We were told a new transmission model was coming soon after the release of the Howstons, and that was 3 years ago. You can see see people downshifting to 10-15,000rpm and suffering no engine or transmission damage. AMS, pCars or AC don`t allow you to flat shift without the clutch like rF2 does. :rolleyes:
 
Tim statement that nobody needs damage and dirt pickup is plain wrong and uninspiring. AFter all why u play rf2? Its because it has features that other sims done poorer or none at all. Strong ffb , epic tyre physics(flats etc) , good mp features, realroad. So if reiza in 2017 will develop ams sequel that have dx11 graphics and shaders ,rain, realroad, and even more frequent ffb flow - why would u play rf2 then?(ams for ex NOW have dmg model , dirt pickup, 360 update ffb , on par to rf2 physics )
 
Tim statement that nobody needs damage and dirt pickup is plain wrong and uninspiring. AFter all why u play rf2? Its because it has features that other sims done poorer or none at all. Strong ffb , epic tyre physics(flats etc) , good mp features, realroad. So if reiza in 2017 will develop ams sequel that have dx11 graphics and shaders ,rain, realroad, and even more frequent ffb flow - why would u play rf2 then?(ams for ex NOW have dmg model , dirt pickup, 360 update ffb , on par to rf2 physics )

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Tim statement that nobody needs damage and dirt pickup is plain wrong and uninspiring. AFter all why u play rf2? Its because it has features that other sims done poorer or none at all. Strong ffb , epic tyre physics(flats etc) , good mp features, realroad. So if reiza in 2017 will develop ams sequel that have dx11 graphics and shaders ,rain, realroad, and even more frequent ffb flow - why would u play rf2 then?(ams for ex NOW have dmg model , dirt pickup, 360 update ffb , on par to rf2 physics )
You're majorly misinformed.

The AI behavior of rF2 is many miles (multiple man-years by a experienced AI programmers) ahead of AMS/rF1 and it shows. They are able to move of their racing line to block, have much better spatial awareness. They can be aggressive, yet disciplined at the same time, and don't bump into you for no reason, they are much more human. They also adhere to blue flags. They also work much better with random car/track combinations, since they require much less babysitting for modders to get right. The AI difference is night and day, it's not even close. rF2 is the first time since a Crammond GP title where I deem the AI to be good.

rF2 also has a much more extensive plugin based rule system. You aren't gonna see a modern Nascar rule system in any other moddable sim platform.

rF2's has a physical thermomechanical tire model with a fully simulated tire thread, carcass and contact patch (this isn't just for show), see more here. It also has true physical flatspot modeling that affects the mass distribution of the tire. It also simulates chassis flex (which is especially crucial for properly modeling historic cars, karts and trucks). It's much more advanced. All this makes for a much more dynamic driving experience.

rF2's wheel to wheel collisions are also much improved..

rF2's Real Road rubber built up is a true dynamic line based on where the cars actually drive and is not just based on a fixed AI path, same for the drying line in the wet.

rF2 has resume from replay savegames, for long distance races. It allows you to resume the race from any time.

rF2 is a dedicated modding platform with real-time Dev Mode and gJED, Modern packaging system (standardized way of installing/uninstalling mods that won't break your install and prevents online mismatches), Multiplayer with auto-downloading of mods, Steam Workshop support, among many other things.

rF2 also has a damage model.



And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
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1. ...if
2. Not even close

You dont get the point. Its not abt what is good or not now, and its not how you or I feel abt physics in ams - its abt basic things that drive ppl to play specific sim. And they are -- features that relevant to racing, all of them. So saying that we dont get certain feature is not healthy. RF2 has good physics, but if it was the only thing that good in rf2 nobody would play it.(ie broken MP no flag rules, shitty net code). Iracing was on market only cause of outstanding MP. now they got realroad , temp affecting racing dirt, marbles. I guess they`ll get rain eventually , why they dont say all this things not important?

POint is that attention to details important, cause only reason u play rf2 is because u feel that its most realistic experience(why would u play simulation otherway?) , its not cause u love guys from ISI or their friend. So if some sim emerge that is more feature complete and has comparable physics there would be 0 reason to play rf2. Its not argument if it happens or not, its abt guys at ISI clearly state that they dont do anything and thats depressing. (and we all love rf2)

Add MP similar to Iracing system SR + small details + modern shaders and rf2 unbeatable but with attitude developers have this is not happening, and even rf1 modded with Reiza now have better chance becoming better sim , being clearly inferior platfom from beggining.

(race o7 even has insects on windscreen and a guy on road that waves flag then u got flag warinings, showing that guys really love their work and care abt racing)
 
(race o7 even has insects on windscreen and a guy on road that waves flag then u got flag warinings, showing that guys really love their work and care abt racing)
Animated flag marshals have been a core feature of rF2 since the start.
This clearly shows that you don't play rF2, yet you already deem AMS+ superior.
 
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You waste your time with these noddys guys. :roflmao:

Even a percentage of people that drive rF2 for years never find the full-on physics nirvana simply because they can't push hard enough, so how can any of these noddys know what miss.

:O_o:

Typical of a rF2 thread so many come in just to diss it, what is missing in your life you waste it.

No matter what cars, what graphics, if physics is not your primary concern the answer is easy
go drive another sim and blow its virtues out ya :poop:

lol
 

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