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Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Tom, Nov 30, 2012.
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Good..OK..Done! Bring on next season !
Great news, now we have a champion beyond any doubt
what about Senna and Vettel crash thing? regardless of the unaffected results is the FIA going to blatantly overlook and ignore a contact that could of eventually affected 1 car to a DNF?
is the sport allowed contact now? has the world literally forgotten about it? no answer through the race and none after the race and season....am I missing something here?some even speculate that FIArrari now is FIAtel or FIAbull, not because of the Ferrari vs Vettel yellow flag zone, but because of the contact of Bruno and Sebastian ending up in a "nothing happened here" incident.
no BBC, no Sky, no Speed, no ESPN, not even the F1 official site seems to be concerned over that, I think we are owed an explanation of the outcome and rules after an incident such as that, but if there is no answer I guess we can all blame the greasy conditions.
and no this is nothign against RBR, is just shocking a non contact motor sport ruling body has no answer for a contact, maybe my broadcast tv station was playing mind games on me...
I think it can be considered race indicent to be honest, yes Vettel didn't give enough room, but Senna was coming from very far and for me a "CAUSING COLLISION" would be too harsh, was not irresponsible maneuver.
Yes thats what im looking for a racing incident, but a hit like that is incident? it tends to end up at least gettin a slap in the wrist wouldnt u say?
What some people are saying is that Vettel is at fault, although I see not fault of his, they say he deliberately moved and turned towards Bruno, but wasnt Bruno already braking and gliding? Who knows, just a clear FIA answer woudl be sufficient, just sorta of suprised at them they havent even touched this subject adn payed 2 much attention to a Flag incident that was cleared on that day.
Vettel is just lucky Bruno isn't Ayrton, or he would be celebrating his championship with a blue eye.
I obviously meant a black eye. I doubt Bruno would gift Vettel a set of blue contact lens.
Just watch this please. So if Vettel is going slow like a duck people are not allowed to overtake him? He was just lucky there that Kimi was behind him!
Senna is next to him and on the racing line, Vettel just turns in like a noob.
1 Problem solved now another one...
come on guys your favorite guy isnt WC...
Noob? and your the pro? come on thats ridiculous.
the guy gets away with turning in on bruno senna and people say its sennas fault when it wasnt. this turn in was no different from spa incident on hamilton.
Seem there is favoritism for red bull.
Ok, I think we understood.
Somehow everyone in the FIA was / is against the FIA and Alonso will always be the true champion of 2012. Now that I've said that and promise you I'll talk everyone into believing that...can we end the whining about how unfair & biased the FIA was / is?
I don't remember that part of Vettel and Vergne, neither i think FIA helps any team, well, besides Mercedes sometimes. If there was a penalty for someone i guess would be for Vettel taking the inside and then got hit by Senna.
Anyway... guess a supersports car manufacturer doesn't like to lose races to an Energy Drinks company.
The Vettel-Senna crash was just a lap 1 type of incident, all the cars were bunched up and there's bound to be contact. It's not that the FIA just doesn't care about contact anymore, there's always bound to be some contact in the first lap, even more with the damp conditions that the race was in.
I've always thought that the FIA was a little lenient in terms of incidents in the opening laps. If they started punishing everyone from lap 1 onwards, then a lot of people would be penalized.
Formula 1 is no longer a sport imho , for it to be a sport we need to return to no team orders and then have a proper sporting code , so if you break a rule to change a result you get a huge fine for unsportsmanlike conduct . im just waiting for the fia and bernie to start throwing stuff on the track to get a nascar yellow at the endof the race.
formula one keeps trying to get itself shown as the best and cleaner and greener and in truth its moving further and further away from all of those areas ... its just an expensive piece of theatre these days
I agree with you in general, but there are plenty of sports with team orders, in fact in all the "team sports" there are team orders (the coach decides when to subsitute a player or what he should do in the field) and F1 is a team sport, starting with the engineers that have way more influence in the team performance than the driver.
As long as the team-order only apply on two cars I am fine with it. But satellite teams should not be included in the strategy.
As a matter of fact I prefer to have no second team on the grid at all.
Besided the 3 Red Bull drivers with Vettel he even had 4th to help him
Lol at the people asking for an investigation about turn 4 with Vettel and Vergne.
It was a race incident, plain and simple. Personally I think to many race incidents are being investigated and drivers getting a penalty. I'm watching 1994 championship during the downtime, and there are so many contacts there and no whiny investigation is going on. That's how the sport is meant to be, just let them race. Unless it's a blatant rule infringement then let them race and stop with the penalties. Same for mechanical failures such as gearbox change or what not. The driver shouldn't get penalized. I find it so frustrating that now every slightest touch is being "investigated" and almost always a driver gets a penalty.
What do you want, all cars to just drive in a line like a train so that there won't be any race incidents anymore?