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Featured Fanatec Has Released Details on Their All New ClubSport V2

Discussion in 'Sim Racing Hardware' started by Ryan Ogurek, Aug 29, 2014.

  1. Ryan Ogurek

    Ryan Ogurek
    Editor / Automotive News Staff

    Fanatec V2.png
    Fanatec has released the details on their new ClubSport Wheel Base V2. They say they have completely reworked the ClubSport with durability their top priority. The V2 is now powered by a brushless servo motor with 75% more torque than the V1, but whats this? A price of $599.99!

    It may not be a direct drive, but they claim it feels as good as one and may be a direct competitor.

    The V2 will also be available as a console friendly version to allow for use with Xbox One and PS4.

    If this wheel turns out to be the way it sounds, its going to be difficult to beat that value! To make the deal even more irresistible existing ClubSport owners will have the option to pre-order the V2 at a significantly discounted price.

    Fanatec has started production this week, and will begin accepting pre-orders once they start shipping. The first products are anticipated to arrive late September or early October.

    Here's the details as stated by Fanatec.

    7 Ultra Precise
    We replaced the optical sensor with two magnetic high resolution hall sensors mounted on both the motor and the steering axis. The new sensors have double the resolution and the magnetic sensors are less vulnerable to dust or scratched code discs.

    6 Smoothastic
    The cogging of this system cannot be felt by a human anymore. It is incredible smooth and feels natural and realistic. It is on par or better with the best and most expensive wheel out there although those wheels costs a multiple of the CSW B V2.

    Every little bump can be felt and effects which were filtered by the wheel mechanics can now be felt. Your racing simulations will feel different and new to you.

    5 Rock Solid
    Our focus was to achieve high durability even for hardcore users.
    • Improved QR release with rubber o-ring and less tolerance in production
    • A brushless motor which can be cooled much easier as it gets hot on the outside and not on the inside so heat can be transfered better
    • New cooling system featuring an additional fan on the backside right behind the new huge heat sink
    • Integrated heat sensor inside the motor
    • Motor can now even be operated at 180 C° although the FOR overclocking would be de-activated already at 120 C° and FF would shut down at 130°C. The motor has plenty of power so most people will not use max settings anyway. And during betatests it never happened that a motor was shut down or the FF was cut due to overheating.
    • Ball bearings on the motor axis and bigger ball bearings inside the pulleys so we can increase the belt tension and avoid any belt slip. At the same time we have much less drag in the system.
    • Magnetic sensors instead of the optical so we avoid problems with dust and scratches
    • New main cable
    • New electronics
    • And many other small improvements to the overall build quality


    4 Power. A lot.
    The new motor is custom designed and exclusive to Fanatec. Although the gear ratio has been changed to increase the rotation speed, it delivers about 75% more torque than the CSW B V1. This means over 7 NM of sheer
    power and this is enough to use even heavy rims with no disadvantages. The size of the power supply has also increased in order to feed the big motor.

    3 Brushless Servo
    A brushless servo motor is currently state-of-the-art for force feedback systems and in principle this is exactly the same motor as the most expensive direct drive base units out there.
    • Smooth performance with no cogging (in combination with our Poly-V belt drive system or direct drive)
    • Easier to cool as the heat is on the outside of the motor and not on the motor shaft
    • Strong axis with ball bearings
    • Optimized for use in stall at max power
    • Fast acceleration
    • More efficiency -> more torque with same power

    We had to develop entire new electronics for that motor as the motor
    driver is quite complex. Now that it is done we can easily use it for smaller brushless motors or a direct drive wheel.

    2 Next Generation
    The ClubSport Wheel Base V2 is the next generation of our wheel base but there is also a strong demand of wheels for “Next-Gen” consoles. People were asking us to make their wheels compatible to the Xbox One and Playstation 4 but if we want to make it official and legal then we need to follow the rules of the console makers and they clearly do not allow
    that.

    So how can we make a product where there is a chance that the customer can keep at least most of the equipment he purchased? We can easily make the pedals, shifters and handbrake compatible and this is what we did but what about the base unit?

    And how can we make a product multi-platform compatible if we can only get approval for a license if the product has only the symbols of either one console on it?

    We came up with an idea which brings modularity to a whole new level and protects your investment. If you play on PC then just go ahead and purchase the wheel base as it is and you will not be bothered with symbols which might hurt your eye.

    But if you want to enjoy the painless simplicity of a console with its great exclusive racing simulations then you will get the option to buy an optional steering wheel which will
    add full console compatibility to this base.

    We want to achieve compatibility to both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 and we are happy to announce that we already signed a contract with one of them. We will announce this product at the end of this year.

    There will be multiple steering wheels available in different price ranges and they will compatible to several Fanatec base units from mid-range to direct drive.

    1 By Invitation Only
    The great response we get from our beta testers lead us to the conclusion that the demand for this product will be much bigger than the supply. Production output will be lower as before as we spend even more time on quality control and testing.

    At the same time we want to honor the loyalty of our existing customers and want to offer a special pre-order discount for the owners of the current ClubSport and CSR Elite base so that they can enjoy a little upgrade advantage.

    This is how it works:
    • We will send an e-mail to our webshop customers with an invite code. There will be several waves of e-mails in the next months.
    • Only after you entered the code to your profile page you will be able to purchase or pre-order this product
    • After you purchased one V2 base you will receive a second code. You can give that to a friend or buy a second base.

    Only one code will be given with a purchase as we want to avoid that people are selling their products or invites on eBay and make money with it.
    • We will also give away invites in giveaway events so frequent followers of the blog or Facebook will also get a chance to get an invite

    This is the priority we will use for the invites to make it as fair and transparent as possible.
    1. Webshop customers of the CSW B V1 and CSR E (sorted by purchase date)
    2. Webshop customers of other ClubSport products like CSP or CSS
    3. All other Fanatec customers

    Of course we will treat all territories with the same priority.

    Not every customer will use his invite so go ahead and ask your friends if they use their invite of if they give it to you in case you are not on the list yet. It is possible and welcome to transfer invite codes.

    Please do not ask our sales team for invites. They are not authorized to give out codes anyway. If it is your turn then you will get an e-mail. We will open a thread in our forum which explains more details and where you can also ask for invites from other members.

    By the way, all lucky customers who placed a pre-order for the old V1 base just got a free upgrade to V2 and they are the first to receive the new product.

    The Price

    Pre-order price:
    EU: 499,95
    USA: 499,95
    AUS: 655
    J: 65.000

    Regular price:
    EU: 599,95
    USA: 599,95
    AUS: 785
    J: 78.000

    Prices are calculated different in the regions depending on taxes, laws, logistic costs and other local costs.

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    Last edited: Aug 30, 2014
  2. Chris Stacey

    Chris Stacey
    Ted Kravitz Appreciation Society Staff Premium Member

    YAY!
    Australia gets ripped off once again! Fantastic news!
     
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  3. Andrew Scott

    Andrew Scott
    Premium Member

    Goes without saying these days Chris, should be use to it by now mate. Least Fanatec are saving us $130 if we pre-order, only question left is, who's gonna buy the V1 base when V2 is out?
     
  4. Bram

    Bram
    Roaring Pipes Maniacs | #27 Staff Premium Member

    The same people that kept buying GTR1 when GTR2 was released :)
     
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  5. Frederic Schornstein

    Frederic Schornstein
    TXL Racing Premium Member

    Are you kidding 785 AUD is 560€, so you pay 39€ less than me and I live 100km away from Fanatec, so no you are not getting ripped off.
     
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  6. David O'Reilly

    David O'Reilly
    A bad quali means I can go forwards in the race.

    This sounds like a nice upgrade. Call me cynical but also explains the "World Cup" special price deal aka clearance deal.
    I was ready to order V1, wish I had and now would be getting V2. Ill be ordering anyway.
     
  7. Frederic Schornstein

    Frederic Schornstein
    TXL Racing Premium Member

    Dont you have a CSR Elite? Csr elite owners will get a code as well.
     
  8. David O'Reilly

    David O'Reilly
    A bad quali means I can go forwards in the race.

    Fred I only have a CSR*. I think we are 3rd in line.

    *That explains about .6 sec/lap
    However if I have the best of everything Ill reallyhave to deliver (no excuses)
     
  9. Frederic Schornstein

    Frederic Schornstein
    TXL Racing Premium Member

    I dont think it will make a diffrence Logitech G25 to CSW was 0.000 for me. I actually needed some time to get back up to speed.
     
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  10. David O'Reilly

    David O'Reilly
    A bad quali means I can go forwards in the race.

    If you choose to upgrade maybe I can buy your current wheel base!
     
  11. Judging by the number of CSW users waiting to get their hands on the V2 or the AccuForce, there will be a lot of CSW-V1's on the market soon. Being that the margin between the V1 & V2 aren't very big, I suspect the prices for used V1's will be pretty reasonable.
     
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  12. EU: 599,95
    USA: 599,95
    Prices are calculated different in the regions depending on taxes, laws, logistic costs and other local costs.​

    And after all that math, 1 $ == 1€
    And I was born yesterday, too.
    :thumbsdown:
     
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  13. Frederic Schornstein

    Frederic Schornstein
    TXL Racing Premium Member

    Still some time to go, but I will sell my old one once it is replaced.
    I hope I get a code fairly soon before the V1 used prices go down :(
    I am really interested in the first reviews. The only downside for me with the V1 is, that it doesnt cope well with the BMW GT2 rim, which is fairly heavy, so I drive nearly every car with the F1 rim. I hope V2 will solve that
     
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  14. Paul Jeffrey

    Paul Jeffrey
    Sim Racing News Editor Staff Premium Member

    Its new, its from Fanatec, and its shiny... I'll be getting me one of these! :D
     
  15. The V2 looks to be a great improvement over the V1 in many areas that count. I am very keen to hear more about the direct drive hints that were in with the V2 release info also! V2 beta testers will be free to post reviews and give more detailed info soon guys.
     
  16. David O'Reilly

    David O'Reilly
    A bad quali means I can go forwards in the race.

    I will be very surprised if that hasnt been solved. The 75% torque increase seems to target this. Fanatec are smart marketers and one of their core strategies is selling lots of these lovely add on wheels which are all heavier than the formula wheel. So it makes sense they have attended it.
     
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  17. $599.95 USD is only $642.79 AUD. That seems awfully far from the $785 AUD RRP.
    Even with a 10% GST on top of that, it roughly equates to $707.07.
    Oh well, dammit.
     
  18. Frederic Schornstein

    Frederic Schornstein
    TXL Racing Premium Member

    If you take the 599€ and Fanatec does their finances in euros it equals to $841 AUD, I think you can still be happy to life at the end of the world and you pay less than I living next door to Fanatec. If you adjust the sales tax, the australian price equals the european price. It has always been cheaper in the US and if you remove the VAT from the european price it should be 650USD. The US guys are lucky, but there is no special disadvantage for australians.
     
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  19. Marketing response to the release of the Fanatec CSWv2.

    Here the response from Thomas Jackemeier (CEO of Fanatec) on VirtualR

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    • Thomas Jackermeier13 hours ago
      In order to add to the Servo vs. Direct Drive discussion I might want to add a few words.

      A Direct Drive wheel is much easier to develop and therefore the choice of small companies with limited R&D budget. The huge size of the motor makes it very expensive as the cost is also raised by the bigger motor driver and power supply.

      And in theory we could develop a belt driven wheel with 20 NM or more so a lot of things can be done with a belt drive.

      But there is no doubt it has some technical advantages over a belt drive.

      However the really interesting question is: How big are these advantages in practice and how much money is it worth?

      If a belt wears out after 10 - 15 years of daily use, does that really matter?

      The biggest difference between current Direct Drive wheels on the market and the V2 is the maximum torque. If you crank up the FF forces you will be shocked how brutal those DD wheels are and it certainly is impressive if you try it on a show or at a friend who wants to impress you. But will you run at that force level on a 4 hour race?

      The cogging (notchiness) of a V2 cannot be felt by humans. You need a machiene to measure it. So if a DD wheel is better on that, how much does it really matter if only test instruments can feel the difference?

      There is also a big difference between belt drive and belt drive. On our Porsche wheels for example we are using GT belts on plastic pulleys and with the need of belt tensioners. We use some glide bearings instead of ball bearings. (btw the competition does it the similar). In such a system there is some noticable loss.

      On the new CSW B V2 however, we are using Poly V belts on metal pulleys with much higher precision and there is no need for belt tensioners. Other than in the CSW V1, the use of big ball bearings on the pulley and in the motor make sure that we can use a lot of belt tension in the V2. The higher the belt tension, the lower the negative effects of dampening subtle force effects. And there is no belt slip at all.

      This system is so effective that we even had to add artificial dampening (which can be de-activated) by default to the motor just like direct drive wheels do.

      So if our belt drive is already with such a low drag that we had to add artificial dampeneing in order to avoid problems on the center what does that tell you about how close a belt drive can get to a direct drive?
     
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