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RDHCS S9 - Round 4 - 100km (24 laps) - Estoril 88 - Tue 23rd October 2012

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  1. Stuart Thomson

    Stuart Thomson
    The Stoat Without Fear ™ Premium Member

    RaceDepartment Historic Club Series Season 9 Round 4 – No, I said “Lisboan”, you filthy swine.

    Welcome back to Round 4 of the RDHCS Season 9. Round 3 at Donington GP was always going to tricky, Doni has corners that begged to be attacked, while having some slippery sections and some deceptive cambers. The Escort was a joy to drive around here, always having to be right on that knife edge for decent lap times.

    There was more contact in this race than in previous ones this season, but I kind of expected that. Enough familiarity to allow some creative lines, with slippery surface and high speeds…well it was always going to be a bit dicey. I do like the way everyone handled it though, people waiting safely, righting people they upended, David making the maximum sacrifice – it was exactly as I could have hoped for. Well done, the Gents of the RDHCS.

    Moving 1,050 miles South South-East, we leave Donington and decamp to the Atlantic Ocean coastline, halfway up the Portuguese coast, in the Cascais municipality, to the town of Estoril and the Autódromo Fernanda Pires da Silva.


    Circuit Notes
    The town of Estoril is located 20 km due west of Lisbon, and the Autodromo 9km due north of Estoril itself. An historic town, the region has long been occupied based on it’s good climate and favourable environment. Its gently rolling hills allow that made it so favourable as a strategic location also give the track some altitude characteristics, which is something I always look for in a track.

    Over its lifetime, Estoril has hosted the Portuguese Grand Prix between 1984-1996, and has had some memorable events: Ayrton Senna’s maiden F1 victory, Nikki Lauda cliching his third and final Drivers Champioship by half a point from Alain Prost, Jacques Villeneuve overtaking Michael Schumacher round the outside of the final turn to win in 1996.
    Estoril was dropped from the F1 Calendar in 1997, but has continued to host high level racing events, including the FIA GT Championship, the DTM, the World Series by Renault, the A1GP, the Superleague Formula and the Motorcycle Grand Prix.

    As a response to the death of Senna in 1994, a chicane was added and the final turn reprofiled, but we will be driving the 1988 layout of Estoril in the RDHCS.

    We start a lap of Estoril88 on the long home straight, almost a kilometre of it, and the place where all drivers will need to define their top speed and gearing. After the finish line, the straight drops away and into the downhill braking zone for T1R – Curva1. Relatively shallow and fast, it’s a real test thrown straight at you to open your lap, especially with the downhill entry lowering the camber. As with so many of these corners at Estoril, there is a sandtrap lurking on the outside, ready to snare overeager drivers.

    Getting on the power for the short straight out of Curva1, we continue slightly downhill and then enter the gentle braking zone for the quick T2R – Curva2. It is taken with just a dab, a lift and then a 4 wheel drift across the apex. Again, there is sand waiting for drivers who take too much, and the kerbs on the outside are not particularly grippy, even if they are not the bumpiest kerbs we will encounter.

    The short straight out of Curva2 continues slightly downhill, so you will be travelling at a fair old rate of knots before you have to stand hard on the brakes for the approaching T3R – the imaginatively named Curva3.

    Curva3 is a great turn, you enter it as the track levels out, and as soon as you start to turn in, it climbs up and back over your shoulder. The lighter cars will be able to hug this corner nice and tight and get on the accelerator early, the heavier cars will have a different line, holding off of hard acceleration as the weight shifts and taking a later apex. Exiting Curva3 hard on the accelerator, you only have time for (maybe) one change up before it’s hard on the brakes again for the first lefthander of the track, T4L – Curva VIP.

    Curva VIP has high barriers and ground on it’s inside, so the turn is essentially blind until you reach the apex and are driving out of the turn. The inner kerbs here are bumpy, and will upset your car just when you don’t want it to, because Curva VIP leads onto the second longest “straight” of the track. Getting a good exit here is absolutely essential, just like Coppice was at Donington in the previous round. Halfway down the straight after VIP, we encounter T5R, an unnamed kink that everyone can just throw their nose at without any braking, lifting or any slowing down at all. Powering down the straight, not quite reaching the speed of the home straight but still a fair old pace, it’s a sudden and hard brake for T6L – Parabolica Interior.

    The Parabolica Interior starts off very tight and then temptingly opens up, allowing you to get on the gas early. The sneaky part of that is that you will drift right under acceleration, just when the track drops away for T7R - Orelha, and you need to be braking from the wide left of the track to take this turn at pace. You exit Orelha, accelerating slightly up hill and approach T8R – Tanque, one of the corners that differs between the current version and the one we will be driving.

    Tanque is a medium corner, needing adequate care and attention while not sloughing off too much speed, and you can get on the gas early again as you fire down the approach to T9aR & T9bL – The Esses.
    Esses1 would be very quick if there was just straight on the other side, but Esses2 prevents any over exuberance through Esses1 by being a medium slow 90 that you have to get right. Use Esses1 to get Esses2 absolutely right, and that’s the fastest way through here.

    Coming out of Esses2, you immediately approach the final turn, T10R – Parabolica. This is an absolute monster of a corner – fast and extremely hard on tyres. There will be a battle of patience through here, but as soon as you see the grandstands appear in your peripheral vision, floor it and try to maximise your exit onto that long, long S/F straight, across the line and another lap of Estoril88.


    The Race Director has some notes for drivers. Please see the track map above for location of Race Direction note:-

    All Corners Without Exception – The kerbs are not deemed as track, therefore 2 wheels must be within the white lines, on the tarmac, At All Times. Again, there are NO exceptions to this rule at any point on the circuit. Any exception to this rule is deemed illegal, any advantage gained by this method must be ceded immediately. Report people deliberately and excessively cutting. The worst offenders from previous seasons have not signed up, so I hope that this will be a non-issue this season.

    Racing Room must be given to all drivers – and this works both ways. Divebombing into and across a corner denies people the chance to make the corner correctly just as much as someone obliviously (or deliberately) cutting the nose off of another driver who has achieved partial overlap fairly.

    T1R – Especially on Lap 1. Be aware of people as you turn in here, it has the possibility to cause huge problems if drivers don’t respect each other. Be aware that any incidents caused by reckless or over aggressive driving in Turn 1 during the first lap will be dealt with severely, probably with a “no quali” penalty for Round 5. The difference between this and previous tracks this season is the speed here will be much higher. Excursions off track will be further, so safe re-entries are a must.

    T3R – Curva3. This tight turn has a lot of gradient going on with it, and lines will be different. Be aware of what is around you, and give each other racing room.

    T4R – Curva VIP. This hairpin is trickier than at first view, the inner kerbs are bumpy, the radius tightens slightly, and it is all too easy to be overeager on exit and spin the rear around. It is all too easy to end up stranded, facing the wrong way, with the field approaching and/or streaming past you. If this happens, TAKE YOUR MEDICINE. Don’t try a flashy spin turn in the middle of a pack, wait until its clear and THEN get yourself sorted.

    T10R – Parabolica. Like VIP, this is likely to be the site of some rear wheel spins, but it will also be where you see most degradation in tyres (the front left takes an awful kicking around here) and sudden loss of grip. The speeds are very high here, so any instability could have catastrophic results for you and others around you.

    All points on the track – General Items
    Drivers may put on their lights (and keep them on) during a timed qualification lap, so other drivers know to get out of the way when safe to do so.
    No lights are to be flashed at any stage, under any circumstances, during the Race Session.
    No Chat during the Quali or Race except by Race Control for information.
    The Track must be re-entered safely so as not to ruin other peoples races.
    Car damage must be assessed realistically to know if it is possible to make the pits or not.

    Incidents, Investigations and Penalties
    There were no reported incidents from Round 3

    There was 1 no no-show in Round 3
    Konstantin Paul receives a no-show infraction.

    As a change from last season, and as a result that I am personally reminding you of each race with the new posts and the PM for passwords, 2 no-shows will mean removal from the League, whether they are consecutive or not.
    Please remember, the League staff will only review incidents if they are reported to them.

    No report = no review.

    Please try and remember the incident reporting guidelines: review, cool off, review again. Only after following the above process, and if you are convinced you still need to report it, should you let the League staff know. Please give as much information as possible during the report (time of incident, drivers involved etc.) Accident reports made within 24 hours of race completion will be ignored.

    Any accusations or complaints aired in the Chat during or after a race will mean a penalty levied on the person complaining or making the accusations, even if a subsequent official complaint gets found in their favour. I simply will NOT tolerate any post race finger pointing.

    You have chosen your car and livery already, and you must only drive your chosen car at any time during an RDHCS event. Every driver has a unique livery in this season of RDHCS.

    Reporting Attendance
    As GPCOS seems to be down, I will be sending a PM with the round password to all Signed-Up drivers. I will also be running an “Attendance” post. If you are definitely driving, you need to “like” the post. If you are NOT driving (or if you are unsure of attendance) you must post a reply to say so. If there is no response, or if a response is posted after 2 hours before race start time on race day, it will be treated as a No-Show. Again 2 No-Shows will mean removal from the league.

    Scoring System
    Points are scored down to P20 (75% distance completion required) so people can fight for some points no matter where they are on the track, and hopefully have a season long battle with people around them in the League.

    The Distribution is as follows for 100km events :
    P1 - 25 pts
    P2 - 22
    P3 - 20
    P4 - 18
    P5 - 16
    P6 - 15
    P7 - 14
    P8 - 13
    P9 - 12
    P10 - 11
    P11 - 10
    P12 - 9
    P13 - 8
    P14 - 7
    P15 - 6
    P16 - 5
    P17 - 4
    P18 - 3
    P19 - 2
    P20 - 1

    1 point for fastest race lap
    1 point for qualifying on Pole
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  2. Stuart Thomson

    Stuart Thomson
    The Stoat Without Fear ™ Premium Member

    Thread now open.
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  3. Carlos Diaz

    Carlos Diaz
    Happily driving a "girly" car

    Awesome briefing sir:thumbsup:

    For whatever reason, the bimmer, this track, and I aren't meshing well. Can't seem to get the braking points down, specially turns 1R and 6L. I have to brake WAY before the tire marks laid down there by previous cars. Getting out of corners is proving to be tricky as well, I have to set up the car to allow me to get on the gas early but keep the tires planted.

    I have very low expectations for myself in this one lol.
  4. You're not alone, mate. I think, that Estoril is one of the most difficult tracks, at least for me, from all tracks which I know atm.
    1st R, 2nd R, 8th R and especially 6th L are very tricky corners. You think you're normal with brakes, but first get understeer, and then - oversteer. All because of this complicated route profile. :O_o: So, you have one not fastest lap and then one lap into the gravel in 6th corner.
  5. Stuart Thomson

    Stuart Thomson
    The Stoat Without Fear ™ Premium Member

    Track map added
  6. not raced on this track before but i did do 3 or 4 laps around it after the last race, it is very similar to the newer version but without the horrid sharp esses.
    Been busy with another couple of leagues but hope to get better acquainted with this version tomorrow ;) but so far it felt good :D but then again to me this Vette feels good no matter what the track ;)
  7. Your circuit Neil full trottel:roflmao: and away out off sight.
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  8. Carlos Diaz

    Carlos Diaz
    Happily driving a "girly" car

    My expectation for this round is just to make it across the line in one piece :unsure:

    There are 2 spots where I have to be VERY alert, if my concentration tapers off just a bit there, I'm pretty much done:roflmao:
  9. The name doesn't ring a bell. In the sense that I don't know how the track looks. The track map reminds me a bit of Kyalami. No, I don't know how I remember how Kyalami looks.

    Should join in an hour or so, and see what's what.
  10. Carlos Diaz

    Carlos Diaz
    Happily driving a "girly" car

    OMG Senad this track is the devil!! Load it up ASAP and get some practice in buddy!
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  11. Sorry Neil to distroy your race compleetly you have a ryd to be angry at me.
    i whase in a race with Hans and made a mistake to go to fast back on track and did not see you with that group.
    Sorry I hope you can for give me.:notworthy:
  12. Got the hang of it, did similar lap times as other guys in the Alfa in the race.
    Liked the track, flowy, needs precision.

    Unfortunately, caught the grass on the inside of the corner, hit the wall, and spun on the way out. Someone, Knut I think, was close behind, so escaped, rather than risk an accident.
  13. Bob Hutchins
    Sorry for the incident in the first lap. I am not sure who to blame. I was going behind you into the corner and I had to squeeze you by your right side - there was enough space, I am sure of that. Than accidentally Hans was too late on brakes and hit me. I was bumped into you and just saw you flying away into the wall. At that point, I couldn't decide whether to wait or not, but watching Hans going on I just continued. I still think it wasn't my fault, but I regretted that nobody waited. I feel sorry about that.:speechless:
  14. Stuart Thomson

    Stuart Thomson
    The Stoat Without Fear ™ Premium Member

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  15. Ross McGregor

    Ross McGregor
    Premium Member

    Interesting track tonight, I've never actually raced here before but it was nice and flowy once your head around it. I can imagine open wheelers would be awesome around here. Anyway, made a good race setup that preserved the tortured front left tyre but sacrificed some early speed, but again I made a small break early doors while others battled away behind, increasing the gap a bit. Cheers thommo, Knut & red for orgniing the race, and congrats dmytro and jay for their podiums. Bit gutted for Neil as h Yvette was going well here, bad luck sir.
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  16. you never even paused to look to see what was coming, you just kept the throttle open to the max and spun across the road taking me out, one of the golden rules is to rejoin the track only when the track is clear but hell man you never even bothered to slow or look and totally destroyed a good race, accidents happen but that was just stupidity.
  17. Warren Dawes

    Warren Dawes
    Premium Member

    I just checked my replay and it seems to be missing the first few laps.
    Can someone else provide a replay for me? (and Jack, I sent him mine before I realised it was a dud.)

    Even the first 10 laps or so will do me.
  18. Warren Dawes

    Warren Dawes
    Premium Member

    Since my replay somehow missed the first few laps, I'll submit a report based on memory. Unfortunately, most of my interesting action was in the first three or so laps.

    I was expecting the Skyline to be thrashed unmercilessly down the two long straights by the Vette, Pantera, and Beemers, but surprisingly, only Neil's Vette seemed to take any advantage. And the Alfa's and Escorts looked to be somewhat disadvantaged here.
    Small offs could be heavily penalised too, especially if you found the sand.

    Qualified P8 and finished P8, but I had the usual drop down early and climb back slowly type of race again.

    The opening lap was pretty "busy" again but generally clean around me. I remember the usual lightning starters (yes looking at Roland here :ninja: ) charging past off the line. I drifted wide and off track at Parabolica Interior, dropping quite a few spots. On lap 2 (I think), at Curva 2, an Alfa (Peter I think :unsure: ) got sideways in front, so I had no choice but to dive off track to avoid him, and I saw a couple of others also had to follow me off track (Stuart was one), so I lost more places. Now about P14, I started to settle down and climb up a few spots. I settled in for what I thought would be a nice battle with Carlos, but he decided early to go sand mining at Orelha Curve. That left me pretty lonely about 7 secs behind Jack, and once again Jack was running similar laps to me. I could, ever so slowly, grind a few seconds back on Jack, but it was looking like a forlorn hope unless he made a mistake. He didn't, the closest I got was about 3 secs, but at least I could see him which kept me interested. I gained an undeserved spot when Neil was sadly wrecked, such a shame, Mate. You had that Vette flying. :(

    Well done Jack, a good result for you, you are improving every race now. You kept my race interesting. ;)

    Grats to Ross, very dominant this time, and to Dmytro and Jay for the podium.
    Thanks to Stuart for his planning and organisation, and thanks to all who joined. The fun in this League continues. :)

    EDIT: I've updated this slightly after viewing Roland's replay, thanks Roland. :)
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  19. Tim Ling

    Tim Ling
    It's a million-to-1 chance, but it just might work Premium Member

    Well I made a total hash of this from the start. After joining the server and finding my best time was 2 seconds too slow, I spent my whole time overdriving the car. In the race a managed to lock the brakes even more than I did in practice, and lost mph after hitting the barrier head-on. I felt it was only a matter of time before I wrecked someones race, so I quit out.
    I hope Mo I Rana is better for the Alfa, ad more importantly, me. :(
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  20. Carlos Diaz

    Carlos Diaz
    Happily driving a "girly" car

    HAHAHA! Actually, what happened is:

    I was busting my butt trying to close in on Jack. I was thinking how well Jack was driving and how good he has gotten over the last year and BAM!!!! Yup, my mind could not do 2 things at once and I TOTALLY missed my braking point and went off into the sand and messed up my left front wheel and also lost the front spoiler :roflmao:.

    I thought the race was over for me when I first hit the wall, but man them Germans can build a tough car. The bimmer was pulling towards the right but I was able to continue racing and I was only about a second slower per lap after the damage.

    Now comes the most amazing part of this or any league race I have ever taken part in.

    I qualied right behind Rolly in P10.
    Early on in the race Rolly gets a good start and jumps from 9th place to 5th. He's leading a train of cars and then something happens up front (not sure what, sorry, my replay is messed up and I only have the second half of the race) and he goes off track and ends up in 18th place. He manages to climb back up to 11th place by lap 7 and spends the entire remainder of the race closing the gap between him and I. Guy does a fabulous job of chasing me down. Gets VERY close to me in the last few bends where I'm so busy looking back that I mess up the exit of the last turn by not getting on the gas as soon as I should have.


    Your eyes don't deceive you, yes, he backed off right before passing me just a few meters from the finish line.

    Rolly totally deserved my spot, he worked very hard to catch me and I messed up at the last turn all by myself, no one elses fault but my own, yet he got off the gas and let me have his spot.

    That gesture, specially after many laps of working to catch the guy in front, captures the nature of the sportsmanship, friendship, and gentlemanly racing we encounter in our club. To see that in a league race is...(insert your own adjective here, there are many ways to describe it).

    My hat's off to you, Rolly:notworthy:

    Grats to Rosco for the win. Damn shame what happened to Neil.

    Thanks to Stu and Knut for all their hard work.

    Thanks to all that showed up.
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